Cunningham is better than Outlaw, right now.

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RickyRubio

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Yup. I think so. Dante is better than Travis, right now. That guy has got some game. I want to see him replace Travis!
 
Summer league...keep things in perspective.
 
Yep.. and Pooh Jeter outplayed Bayless yesterday. Let's keep Pooh and cut Jerryd.
 
Qyntel Woods is better than Brandon Roy.
 
I think Cunningham is smarter, but won't really be better for a couple of years. Although Cunningham is a lot better defensively. He rotates really well, and has a grasp on passing as well.
 
B-Roy said:
Summer league...keep things in perspective.
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Yeah, I agree. But I been watching this guy and finding out everything I can about him online. I think he is better than Outlaw. Right now. Not just based on 2 SL games.

alex42083 said:
Yep.. and Pooh Jeter outplayed Bayless yesterday. Let's keep Pooh and cut Jerryd.
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I see what you are trying to do, but you fail.

maxiep said:
Qyntel Woods is better than Brandon Roy.
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Likewise.
 
RickyRubio said:
Yeah, I agree. But I been watching this guy and finding out everything I can about him online. I think he is better than Outlaw. Right now. Not just based on 2 SL games.
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Care to explain how?
 
RickyRubio said:
Yup. I think so. Dante is better than Travis, right now. That guy has got some game. I want to see him replace Travis!
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Actually I agree with you in certain ways. I can tell you that Dante Cunningham has more basketball IQ than Travis does after 6 years in the league. He is fundamenatally strong, and knows how to play defense. I also think in the scheme of forwards, he is more polished offensivly than Batum (Who isn't). He is also a superior rebounder to Outlaw, as he is much more of a physical player. My concern is he a tweener, or is he versatile? That is what I worry about.
 
B-Roy said:
Summer league...keep things in perspective.
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It doesn't matter if its summer league. He has stronger fundamentals than Travis does. You can see it just watching. He knows the game. Does it make up for Travis freakish athleticism? Maybe, maybe not. My guess it does.
 
Mostly, I think he has far better IQ. That is very important to me. I think he shoots close to or just as good as Travis. He is stronger. He plays better D (I think due to his higher BBIQ). He actually wants to rebound the ball, unlike Trav.

So, without going all novel posting... I think Dante is just as good a shooter, WAY better at rebounding and has WAY higher BBIQ. Those things are important to me. And he is younger.
 
RickyRubio said:
Yeah, I agree. But I been watching this guy and finding out everything I can about him online. I think he is better than Outlaw. Right now. Not just based on 2 SL games.
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So how did Cunningham fall all the way to the 2nd round? A player better than Outlaw right now deserves to be a 1st rounder. I think he might be a serviceable back up this year, but there is no way he deserves more minutes than Outlaw. If Outlaw is traded, he would probably fill a good role as a dependable mid range shooter on the 2nd unit when needed.
 
RickyRubio said:
I see what you are trying to do, but you fail.
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haha.. OK man.. and I'm not even that big of a fan of Travis, but at least the guy is proven while Dante is playing against Maarty Leunen and Paul Davis.
 
Zybot said:
So how did Cunningham fall all the way to the 2nd round? A player better than Outlaw right now deserves to be a 1st rounder. I think he might be a serviceable back up this year, but there is no way he deserves more minutes than Outlaw. If Outlaw is traded, he would probably fill a good role as a dependable mid range shooter on the 2nd unit when needed.
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That is your opinion. That is not a fact.

Blair slipped to deep in the 2nd round. And by opinion, he was a lottery pick. Shit happens in the draft.
 
hasoos said:
It doesn't matter if its summer league. He has stronger fundamentals than Travis does. You can see it just watching. He knows the game. Does it make up for Travis freakish athleticism? Maybe, maybe not. My guess it does.
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I can see he has better IQ, but defense against Marty Leunen is not the same as defense against Paul Pierce. I'm sure Travis could get a ton of blocks in SL, but that wouldn't mean much. Does Cunningham's IQ negate Outlaw's ability to create shots (and make ridiculous ones) or, like you said, his ridiculous athleticism? I wouldn't say so.
 
I remember when Jason Kidd played his first preseason game and Bay Area pundits proclaimed him better than Magic Johnson. Kidd has had a damn good career, but whether he is better than Magic is debatable. Whether that judgment could be made on so little information is not.
 
RickyRubio said:
That is your opinion. That is not a fact.

Blair slipped to deep in the 2nd round. And by opinion, he was a lottery pick. Shit happens in the draft.
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So you would have traded Outlaw for a 2nd round draft pick this year? LoL
 
Zybot said:
So you would trade Outlaw for a 2nd rounder? LoL
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Huh? What the fuck are you getting at? I saw one thing and you just go left field ape shit and put words in my mouth?

Marcus Camby got traded for a 2nd rounder. I am pretty sure he is better than Outlaw.

Now, do you have anything relevant to say? Or is your next post going to be... "What, so if Camby got traded then you would go 75 on the freeway?!"

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alex42083 said:
Good argument.
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Zybot said:
So how did Cunningham fall all the way to the 2nd round? A player better than Outlaw right now deserves to be a 1st rounder. I think he might be a serviceable back up this year, but there is no way he deserves more minutes than Outlaw. If Outlaw is traded, he would probably fill a good role as a dependable mid range shooter on the 2nd unit when needed.
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That is the whole problem with your philosophy. There is no "deserved minutes". The only minutes you get are when the coaching staff thinks the lineup gives the team the best chance to win. Now the other thing is, they don't have to necessarily take each others time. I have seen many team play 2 tweeners at the same time, and that way they can interswitch on O and D. Both can play the 3 and 4. I wouldn't be surprised to see them both out there at once.
 
RickyRubio said:
Huh? What the fuck are you getting at? I saw one thing and you just go left field ape shit and put words in my mouth?

Marcus Camby got traded for a 2nd rounder. I am pretty sure he is better than Outlaw.

Now, do you have anything relevant to say? Or is your next post going to be... "What, so if Camby got traded then you would go 75 on the freeway?!"

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Marcus Camby was trade due to his contract, not his talent level. Outlaw has a pretty reasonable contract. My point is that you are saying that a player
(after watching essentially everything at Villanova, 2 Summer League games, and anything else you could find on youtube) is better than Outlaw. If he is better than Outlaw, he deserved to be drafted in the 1st round. I just think that GM's probably have a better gauge on his skills and talent than any of us fans do. That's all. I think Outlaw is worth more than a 2nd round pick, so sorry, I got to disagree with you on this one. Cunningham will not contribute more to the team this year than Outlaw, assuming Outlaw is on the team.
 
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crandc said:
I remember when Jason Kidd played his first preseason game and Bay Area pundits proclaimed him better than Magic Johnson. Kidd has had a damn good career, but whether he is better than Magic is debatable. Whether that judgment could be made on so little information is not.
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Comparing a future star to a previous star happens all the time, you know how it is. I don't think that is nearly the same as comparing a 2nd round draft pick to a role player, that is not nearly as big as "statement".
 
Zybot said:
Marcus Camby was trade due to his contract, not his talent level. Outlaw has a pretty reasonable contract. My point is that you are saying that a player better than Outlaw right now (after essentially everything at Villanova, 2 Summer League games, and anything else you could find on youtube) is better than Outlaw. If he is better than Outlaw, he deserved to be drafted in the 1st round. I just think that GM's probably have a better gauge on his skills and talent than any of us fans do. That's all. I think Outlaw is worth more than a 2nd round pick, so sorry, I got to disagree with you on this one. Cunningham will not contribute more to the team this year than Outlaw, assuming Outlaw is on the team.
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I disagree because Travis Outlaw should have never been drafted in the first round. Any player who takes 6 years to become an average (or below average) player should not have been drafted in the first round. But teams make mistakes all the time. Otherwise, why would there be 1st round busts that never even make it in the league, or wash out?
 
ROFL at the Thread title!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


give me a f'n break!
 
Zybot said:
. I think Outlaw is worth more than a 2nd round pick, so sorry, I got to disagree with you on this one. Cunningham will not contribute more to the team this year than Outlaw, assuming Outlaw is on the team.
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Before the draft, maybe this argument could have been made, but I don't think you can judge players now based on where they were picked. I get that we've only seen him twice and it might be too early to make a sound argument in favor of DC, but he showed some very positive traits on the basketball floor in both of his games. Good fundamentals on both offense and defense, adequate athleticism, and confidence. It's not too far fetched to think he's smarter than Travis now, either.
 
hasoos said:
I disagree because Travis Outlaw should have never been drafted in the first round. Any player who takes 6 years to become an average (or below average) player should not have been drafted in the first round. But teams make mistakes all the time. Otherwise, why would there be 1st round busts that never even make it in the league, or wash out?
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Yes, but the OP is saying that a 2nd rounder after 2 Summer League games is better than Travis Outlaw RIGHT NOW. After playing 2 summer league games. I love the enthusiasm, but let's get real. If he really was that good he would have been drafted in the 1st round.
 
Zybot said:
Marcus Camby was trade due to his contract, not his talent level. Outlaw has a pretty reasonable contract. My point is that you are saying that a player
(after watching essentially everything at Villanova, 2 Summer League games, and anything else you could find on youtube) is better than Outlaw. If he is better than Outlaw, he deserved to be drafted in the 1st round. I just think that GM's probably have a better gauge on his skills and talent than any of us fans do. That's all. I think Outlaw is worth more than a 2nd round pick, so sorry, I got to disagree with you on this one. Cunningham will not contribute more to the team this year than Outlaw, assuming Outlaw is on the team.
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Again, this is opinion. Not fact. You are trying to say your opinion is fact. You are doing it wrong.

Outlaw was the 23rd pick in his draft. Cunningham was 33rd. That is 10 picks dude lol. And Travis has no business being a 1st rounder. He has been in the league for 6 years and still is mediocre.

You fail.
 
Zybot said:
Yes, but the OP is saying that a 2nd rounder after 2 Summer League games is better than Travis Outlaw RIGHT NOW. After playing 2 summer league games. I love the enthusiasm, but let's get real. If he really was that good he would have been drafted in the 1st round.
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No because you are denying reality. In a logical world where everybody doesn't make mistakes, sure you make sense. But that is not reality. The reality is, teams make mistakes, some players project better than others, and some players are hidden because of the system they play in. So once you come to terms with that, it is easy to see how it happens. This isnt' a "perfect science". It is was, nobody would fuck up a draft pick, ever, and to be honest, the draft would be as boring as hell.
 
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