Curry injury illustrates why you should never tank

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Bingo Bango

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Injuries happen. It’s part of the NBA. If the Blazers had their entire roster right now, including Lillard and Nurkic, I’d like their chances against the Warriors without Curry, who is out for several weeks and could possibly miss the playoffs. And who knows what injuries might derail some other playoff contender’s hopes? That’s why you don’t tank: you could be throwing away more than you realize.
 
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Bingo Bango said:
Injuries happen. It’s part of the NBA. If the Blazers had their entire roster right now, including Lillard and Nurkic, I’d like their chances against the Warriors without Curry, who is out for several weeks and could possibly miss the playoffs. And who knows what injuries might derail some other playoff contender’s hopes? That’s why you don’t tank: you could be throwing away more than you realize.
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The Warriors are currently in 3rd. There’s no way we could’ve moved up to 6th to face them. Even if we managed to get into the play-in, would most likely squeeze in as the 8th seed just to get swept by the Suns.
 
illmatic99 said:
Hoping for other teams to get injured is not the way to get sustained success in the nba.
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Wow. That’s a far cry from what I said. Nobody hopes for player injuries. On the other hand, tanking is guaranteed to get you 30- and 40-point losses, but not much else.
 
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Bingo Bango said:
Wow. That’s a far cry from what I said. Nobody hopes for player injuries. On the other hand, tanking is guaranteed to get you 30- and 40-point losses, but not much else.
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We won last night. But anyway, we didn’t play well this year when totally healthy. In fact, we were awful. And don’t underestimate the Warriors. They beat us twice in 2016 playoffs without Curry. Never mind the fact that we had no chance at 6 seed this year or even 7 seed anyway so we wouldn’t play the Warriors. We’d play the Suns who would likely destroy us.
 
Bingo Bango said:
Where have you been? The tank is on.
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lillard had surgery with a timeline being that it would be a minimum of 6-8 weeks before he'd be evaluated. That surgery was 8 weeks ago, so even if the intention was that he would play again, if he could, he'd still be in that re-evaluation window and likely still 2 more weeks before playing. And that might be rushing things

Nurkic has plantar faciitis and is if the case is severe enough, players can miss weeks or even months with that condition. John Collins is out for the season with it

If Dame is out; and Nurkic is iffy, the Blazers have no chance at a playoff win; maybe not even a play-in win. Why shouldn't Portland tank? It makes a hell of a lot more sense than another 1st round exit (if they get that far) and losing their one chance at a high lottery pick for a decade
 
Bingo Bango said:
Wow. That’s a far cry from what I said. Nobody hopes for player injuries. On the other hand, tanking is guaranteed to get you 30- and 40-point losses, but not much else.
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And a lottery pick, where better players are typically picked, which is the entire point of tanking.

Remember when the Suns and 76ers were tanking a while back? Those 40 point losses got them to this point.
 
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Tince said:
And a lottery pick, where better players are typically picked, which is the entire point of tanking.

Remember then the Suns and 76ers were tanking a while back? Those 40 point losses got them to this point.
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Suns hadn't made the playoffs in ten years though, not sure Id want to take that journey. I still dont think the coach and players purposely tank but maybe management calls the shots on who plays and doesn't play?
And the sixers were very bad for a number of years too and they still havent made the finals.
I get wanting a better pick and good with this apparent tank job if that what the team wants for this summer and next fall.
I guess we will see with rest of the schedule who's got the final say in tanking or not?
 
Hoopguru said:
Suns hadn't made the playoffs in ten years though, not sure Id want to take that journey. I still dont think the coach and players purposely tank but maybe management calls the shots on who plays and doesn't play?
And the sixers were very bad for a number of years too and they still havent made the finals.
I get wanting a better pick and good with this apparent tank job if that what the team wants for this summer and next fall.
I guess we will see with rest of the schedule who's got the final say in tanking or not?
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I'm not saying I want to take that journey either. However, saying losing games by 40 gets you loses and not much else isn't that accurate, is it?
 
Tince said:
I'm not saying I want to take that journey either. However, saying losing games by 40 gets you loses and not much else isn't that accurate, is it?
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What if we get the 14th pick? You think there’s someone waiting for us at that spot who will make a huge difference? I don’t.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
We didn’t play well this year when totally healthy.
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We had a four-game winning streak (including a win against the world champs) after the trade deadline. It was a brand new team, and everything was clicking. You leave Nurkic in the lineup and wait for Lillard to come back, and you might have something special.
 
Bingo Bango said:
What if we get the 14th pick? You think there’s someone waiting for us at that spot who will make a huge difference? I don’t.
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NAME TEAM YEAR ROUND PICK
Moses Moody Warriors 2021 1 14
Aaron Nesmith Celtics 2020 1 14
Romeo Langford Celtics 2019 1 14
Michael Porter Jr. Nuggets 2018 1 14
Bam Adebayo Heat 2017 1 14
Denzel Valentine Bulls 2016 1 14
Cameron Payne Thunder 2015 1 14
T.J. Warren Suns 2014 1 14
Shabazz Muhammad Jazz 2013 1 14
John Henson Bucks 2012 1 14
Marcus Morris Sr. Rockets 2011 1 14
Patrick Patterson Rockets 2010 1 14
Earl Clark Suns 2009 1 14
Anthony Randolph Warriors 2008 1 14
Al Thornton Clippers 2007 1 14
Ronnie Brewer Jazz 2006 1 14
Rashad McCants Timberwolves 2005 1 14
Kris Humphries Jazz 2004 1 14
Luke Ridnour SuperSonics 2003 1 14
Fred Jones Pacers 2002 1 14
Troy Murphy Warriors 2001 1 14
Mateen Cleaves Pistons 2000 1 14
William Avery Timberwolves 1999 1 14
Michael Dickerson Rockets 1998 1 14
Maurice Taylor Clippers 1997 1 14
 
What exactly were we gonna do anyway when we already had months without dame when curry went down?

We were a mediocre team. Temporarily tanking for a better than mediocre team (or at least a chance of it) rather than "yay. We got to the second round and we're outmatched. Again."... Yeah, that sounds much better.
 
Bingo Bango said:
What if we get the 14th pick? You think there’s someone waiting for us at that spot who will make a huge difference? I don’t.
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Lot of speculation to happen here that is really beside the point. However, if you want to go down that road, the expected value of a pick, while not a straight line, does go from #1 pick being most likely to make an impact, in order down to the 60th pick being the least likely to have an impact. So by tanking, the math would say the Blazers are increasing their chances of getting a more impactful player. Does it promise anything? Of course not. Also, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the Blazers pick won't be 14th, it'll be 1-8, so your hypothetical scenario doesn't even seem worth considering.

Now, does trying to win games this year with Dame/Nurk/etc as you suggest promise more success next season? Of course not. Could good things happen from it? Yes. Could bad things happen (injuries, fatigue, etc)? Yes.

So back to reality, we're playing a game of probability. A lot of NBA executives over the years, paid good money to put their teams in the best position to win/make money long term have concluded their is upside/value to tanking. Maybe all the professionals are wrong and you are right, but I'm siding with the pros on this one. Here's a good read about tanking if you'd like to understanding the good, the bad, and the ugly from it...

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Actually I'm glad dame got that surgery and is out the rest of the year. He will be healthy next year and the family time will have done him good I'm certain with the kids. We might see the very best Damian Lillard we have yet to see and I also feel he might have put a couple more years on that body. The type of healing that is happening right now is more than just his Abs.
 
Tince said:
I'm not saying I want to take that journey either. However, saying losing games by 40 gets you loses and not much else isn't that accurate, is it?
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I get it then why dont we easily tank the rest of the games. Tell the coach and players for the sake of improved draft position and fans expectations go out, have fun, but let's not win the games its counter productive.
I say the Blazers win 7 of their next 11 games. Just a guess.
 
Hoopguru said:
I get it then why dont we easily tank the rest of the games. Tell the coach and players for the sake of improved draft position and fans expectations go out, have fun, but let's not win the games its counter productive.
I say the Blazers win 7 of their next 11 games. Just a guess.
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Certainly 5 of them is what I'm thinking.
 
Has the dude who started this thread not watched basketball for the past 25 seasons? This ain’t something new. And we’ve actually done this before. How is this bitch session still going? He may not like it, but its not like this is the first time this has ever happened.
 
THE HCP said:
Has the dude who started this thread not watched basketball for the past 25 seasons? This ain’t something new. And we’ve actually done this before. How is this bitch session still going? He may not like it, but its not like this is the first time this has ever happened.
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Just curious, with you traveling with the team do you ever hear talk of tanking or improving draft position? I know you are around the organization a lot. You don't have to answer, I understand.
 
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