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Pinwheel1 said:
Thanks for finding that. Stupid rule IMO to make them wait 30 days because it pretty much takes the rookie out of summer league. But 10 million is a big help in matching salary. So in the case of actually landing the 2nd pick and moving it, looks like any deal would not be finalized until August.....which is no big deal for us.
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I think there are a ton of deals that could be finalized on draft night, before draft night and anytime between the draft and July 30th. Our team has the salaries to match max and even some supermax contracts, so I don't think they will sit on a pick until July 30th because I think the team has to know in which direction it's headed by the time free agency starts. If the team is going into a youth rebuild then they likely will not re-sign Jerami. If the team can't get what they consider fair value for the pick before free agency starts and likely at or before the draft then it should be trying to maximize the return on Dame by securing picks where they are at in this draft. I just don't think there is time for waffling this off season and that the decision as far as what direction the team is going in needs to be made way before July 30th.
 
blazerkor said:
I think there are a ton of deals that could be finalized on draft night, before draft night and anytime between the draft and July 30th. Our team has the salaries to match max and even some supermax contracts, so I don't think they will sit on a pick until July 30th because I think the team has to know in which direction it's headed by the time free agency starts. If the team is going into a youth rebuild then they likely will not re-sign Jerami. If the team can't get what they consider fair value for the pick before free agency starts and likely at or before the draft then it should be trying to maximize the return on Dame by securing picks where they are at in this draft. I just don't think there is time for waffling this off season and that the decision as far as what direction the team is going in needs to be made way before July 30th.
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I am not suggesting waiting until July 30th to make the deal, I am suggesting they make the deal on draft night, knowing it can't be finalized for another month. Isn't that done all the time....or do we risk the chance of someone like Toronto reneging on the deal?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I am not suggesting waiting until July 30th to make the deal, I am suggesting they make the deal on draft night, knowing it can't be finalized for another month. Isn't that done all the time....or do we risk the chance of someone like Toronto reneging on the deal?
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The only time I remember it being successfully done like that was when the Cavs acquired Love from the Wolves and there was a ton of consternation from fans and players on both sides, also supposedly sourced reports that the Wolves were able to leverage the position they had put the Cavs in during that month and a half between the time that they agreed to the deal in principle and when the deal was made in reality. A lot of stories about the Wolves possibly reneging and that the initial price agreed on for Love was a bit lower than the package the Wolves eventually landed... and that was with Klutch pulling all kinds of strings behind the scenes for LeBron.

Our situation, like I said is time sensitive. So we can't have a maybe going into free agency. The thing that is done all of the time is a deal on draft night that isn't completed until the new league year starts but is called into the league office on draft night. The league allows that, so those deals can be essentially locked in but not officially talked about for like a week. The league does not allow two teams to call in a trade that won't be completed for over a month, it has to be called in when official unless it's a draft night deal that just has to wait for the new league year to start to become official.

I don't think Dame would feel cool with that uncertainty. I don't think Jerami would re-sign with that sort of uncertainty hanging over the whole thing, I don't think it would be wise for us to re-sign Jerami if we don't know that we're for sure going to be able to retain Dame. This off season seems far too tenuous and really important to try and pull off something that has rarely been done and in itself creates another tenuous situation.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
The #2 pick will receive about 10 million in his first year. For matching salaries in a trade, how soon can it be counted? Before the draft, after the pick is made, after July 1st, or when the player signs?
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Only after they sign. Rookie contracts can't be traded until 30 days after they are signed.

Sign ~July 2
Trade ~ August 2
 
blazerkor said:
The only time I remember it being successfully done like that was when the Cavs acquired Love from the Wolves and there was a ton of consternation from fans and players on both sides, also supposedly sourced reports that the Wolves were able to leverage the position they had put the Cavs in during that month and a half between the time that they agreed to the deal in principle and when the deal was made in reality. A lot of stories about the Wolves possibly reneging and that the initial price agreed on for Love was a bit lower than the package the Wolves eventually landed... and that was with Klutch pulling all kinds of strings behind the scenes for LeBron.

Our situation, like I said is time sensitive. So we can't have a maybe going into free agency. The thing that is done all of the time is a deal on draft night that isn't completed until the new league year starts but is called into the league office on draft night. The league allows that, so those deals can be essentially locked in but not officially talked about for like a week. The league does not allow two teams to call in a trade that won't be completed for over a month, it has to be called in when official unless it's a draft night deal that just has to wait for the new league year to start to become official.

I don't think Dame would feel cool with that uncertainty. I don't think Jerami would re-sign with that sort of uncertainty hanging over the whole thing, I don't think it would be wise for us to re-sign Jerami if we don't know that we're for sure going to be able to retain Dame. This off season seems far too tenuous and really important to try and pull off something that has rarely been done and in itself creates another tenuous situation.
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Agree, i don't see any way Grant would re-sign to stay if that awful situation came about. Even thinking about said situation is cringe worthy to me. Hurts my heart.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
of course he is going to have a say where he goes in trade. No offense but you don’t shit on the best player in franchise history, not only that but he’s been extremely loyal. The fact that people say they don’t care about Dames opinion pisses me off. They are the same people who would be Pissed if Dame had left the franchise a few years back when his contract was up. Can’t expect players to have loyalty if the fans and franchise don’t show loyalty. Can you imagine the National blow back we’d get if we screw Dame over
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How is he being loyal when he’s telling the Blazer GM to do what he wants, or else?
He’s leveraging his “loyalty” in a very ugly manner in my opinion.
The idea that Lillard is telling the organization that they can’t add another Shaedon Sharpe to the roster is disgusting.
Just be a man and ask for a trade.
He’s setting up Cronin to be the bad guy for doing what’s best for the team. What a jackass.
 
blazerfan11 said:
How is he being loyal when he’s telling the Blazer GM to do what he wants, or else?
He’s leveraging his “loyalty” in a very ugly manner in my opinion.
The idea that Lillard is telling the organization that they can’t add another Shaedon Sharpe to the roster is disgusting.
Just be a man and ask for a trade.
He’s setting up Cronin to be the bad guy for doing what’s best for the team. What a jackass.
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Not sure if I understand your point. All Dame has said is that if the Blazers want to go young, he’s going to have to make a decision about whether to ask for a trade. The choice is still the Blazers and all Dame is saying is that he may have to take your advice and ask for a trade.
 
e_blazer said:
Not sure if I understand your point. All Dame has said is that if the Blazers want to go young, he’s going to have to make a decision about whether to ask for a trade. The choice is still the Blazers and all Dame is saying is that he may have to take your advice and ask for a trade.
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Did the Blazers “go young” last offseason when they drafted Shaedon Sharpe?

This upcoming draft is filled with forwards in the 1-8 range that would fit nicely with the current roster.

But if we draft that forward, such as Jarace Walker, the Blazers need to go young and blow up the team?
 
blazerfan11 said:
How is he being loyal when he’s telling the Blazer GM to do what he wants, or else?
He’s leveraging his “loyalty” in a very ugly manner in my opinion.
The idea that Lillard is telling the organization that they can’t add another Shaedon Sharpe to the roster is disgusting.
Just be a man and ask for a trade.
He’s setting up Cronin to be the bad guy for doing what’s best for the team. What a jackass.
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he’s asking they put a contending team around him. He WANTS to stay a Blazer and bring championship to the Blazers! What a selfish bastard lol. Come on grab a clue he’s given everything he has to this organization. He basically said if they want to go young it’s not a direction he wants to go, I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. We should all want the same thing he wants and that’s a championship and him pushing management is what we need. If they want to go young so be it but trade him.
 
inconceivable said:
I sure don't envy Cronin
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I don't feel bad for the guy. Dame has given him an out if he needs to take it by saying that he (Dame) doesn't want to be here if we can't get into contention. So I believe Cronin when he says his first option is to keep Dame and make the team relevant but I also believe him when he says he won't take a bad deal. I hope and expect that if GMs around the league try to bully him into taking a bad deal he'll say he has other teams that he can deal with, some of whom have the kinds of guys available that Dame wants to play with here and others that want Dame to play for them. I would tell every GM that all of the options are open even if we do have a preferred option.

Our team doesn't have to pay a premium on the preferred option because the less preferred option of a youth rebuild is just as viable as the preferred option of building a win now team around Dame. Some in this forum think that the second option is far more viable and is the way they want to go. I don't think Joe has to let people twist his arm and he just seems like the kind of calm guy that would just say that stuff very flatly to other front offices. I could just see him saying, "Trading Dame isn't the way we would choose to go but if it's the best way forward for the team, it's the way we will go... so I'm not taking this deal that I think is bad for my team. We have other options."

The more I hear him talk and the more moves I see him make, them more I'm convinced that the Clippers trade was not one he wanted to make but one that he at least felt like he was being forced to make by ownership before he had the standing he has with them now. You can call that wishful thinking and we'll all see how this shakes out but it's the impression that I get.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Did the Blazers “go young” last offseason when they drafted Shaedon Sharpe?

This upcoming draft is filled with forwards in the 1-8 range that would fit nicely with the current roster.

But if we draft that forward, such as Jarace Walker, the Blazers need to go young and blow up the team?
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Yeah I think the answer to your last question is pretty evident because Dame said so. Dame said he's not on board with 19 year olds besides Shaedon... I think in earlier interviews he was asked about Wemby and Dame said he thinks Wemby is different but he doesn't see anyone else in this draft that way.

Could Dame's mind be changed during the pre-draft workout process? I guess anything is possible but Dame's patience seems to have worn thin, so I think if we end up with any pick besides the first, he might not be open to hearing about a bunch of different prospects that could maybe contribute as early as next season.

One thing is for sure, Dame has been less cryptic this time around and he wants win now players period. That doesn't back the team into a corner, it tells them what their options are. They can go after win now players and if those deals aren't there or aren't worth it to the team, then they can trade Dame.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Did the Blazers “go young” last offseason when they drafted Shaedon Sharpe?

This upcoming draft is filled with forwards in the 1-8 range that would fit nicely with the current roster.

But if we draft that forward, such as Jarace Walker, the Blazers need to go young and blow up the team?
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Jarace Walker looks like Jabari. Go watch Jabari's highlights at CU. Jabari actually looks like a better shooter. Pass on Jarace.
 
tykendo said:
Jarace Walker looks like Jabari. Go watch Jabari's highlights at CU. Jabari actually looks like a better shooter. Pass on Jarace.
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What? Jarace Walker is like 40lbs heavier and a MONSTER defensively.

Jabari was also in his second year.
 
tykendo said:
Jarace Walker looks like Jabari. Go watch Jabari's highlights at CU. Jabari actually looks like a better shooter. Pass on Jarace.
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He kind of reminds me of Noah Vonleh in college, to be honest. I'm not enamored with him.
 
For 10 years the majority have been begging for a bigger guard to pair with Dame. Enter Shaedon, who will within the year exceed anyone's expectations of who the Blazers could get to solve that problem. The Blazers have a 45% chance of getting a top 5 pick in this draft. A 30% chance of a top 3 pick. If we end up at 1 or 2, that player will be as near to plug and play as you can get and free up multiple assets and future firsts to use in trade for a star level vet, and most likely without having to lose Grant. (Or keep Ant and trade Scoot, depending on the market.) If it's a lower pick, we still have assets to keep and to trade that will result in, at a minimum, a playoff caliber team. I just don't share the gloom and doom some feel about keeping Dame.
 
BBert said:
For 10 years the majority have been begging for a bigger guard to pair with Dame. Enter Shaedon, who will within the year exceed anyone's expectations of who the Blazers could get to solve that problem. The Blazers have a 45% chance of getting a top 5 pick in this draft. A 30% chance of a top 3 pick. If we end up at 1 or 2, that player will be as near to plug and play as you can get and free up multiple assets and future firsts to use in trade for a star level vet, and most likely without having to lose Grant. (Or keep Ant and trade Scoot, depending on the market.) If it's a lower pick, we still have assets to keep and to trade that will result in, at a minimum, a playoff caliber team. I just don't share the gloom and doom some feel about keeping Dame.
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I think a lot of Blazer fans think as you do

the other side of that is that Dame may not be somebody who thinks that way and he knows his clock is ticking. Olshey spent a decade shitting in Dame's bed and Dame's patience with the Blazers and loyalty to Portland may be at an end. I know some posters here will celebrate that, many secretly, but I won't be one of them
 
Natebishop3 said:
Basketball or not, why constantly make cryptic posts all the time? Speak your mind or don’t.
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I think Dame only does that when he's either trying not to give someone he's trying to insult any publicity or in this case when if he said something it could screw up a deal that he knows about that's going down. The guy speaks his mind when he can but I think he feels like he needs to share his feelings even when he doesn't want to explain them. I get why some don't like it but it's Dame's life, he can live it how he wants to and if this is our biggest complaint about our superstar's off court behavior we're pretty fucking lucky.
 
Dame did not write the post himself, he only shared it. There is a difference.
 
illmatic99 said:
he also has a life outside of basketball. why do you assume this has anything to do with hoops?
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Decent chance it does

Could be him threatening to leave….AGAIN

Could be him knowing it will take Sharpe to get a player that will help us get to the 1st round

Could be about Nurk and knowing he’s not the guy to help this team succeed deep into the playoffs

Could be about Jerami Grant going somewhere else
 
wizenheimer said:
I think a lot of Blazer fans think as you do

the other side of that is that Dame may not be somebody who thinks that way and he knows his clock is ticking. Olshey spent a decade shitting in Dame's bed and Dame's patience with the Blazers and loyalty to Portland may be at an end. I know some posters here will celebrate that, many secretly, but I won't be one of them
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yes those who dare hold an opinion other then yours are underhanded, even dastardly!

Good grief what a load of crap. Everyone here is a big fan of Lillard. The end of Dame's loyalty to Portland isn't something anyone (even secretly) would be happy about. Hell, he loves Portland and I don't think that changes no matter what happens with the business of basketball. It truly sucked (for me) watching Olshey shuffle the deck chairs each offseason while most of this board cheered him on... as he signed Evan Turner & Crabbe to huge deals or brought on Derrick Jones or some other one step forward one step back move. That was all wasted Dame time that won't go back on the clock. The team is seasons away from competing & there isn't much Dame time left, their timelines are just mismatched. This loyalty stuff being thrown out by you and others that fans need to be for trading away the future for a snowballs chance in hell of winning Dame a chip in PDX or they're doomsday evil is emo-gibberish.

I'll continue to root for the team first over any player and I'm rooting for championships. Good or bad, I'm for management paying attention to the team's reality. Dame is paying attention and is smartly letting fans know he is considering his options. Hopefully the immediate future in Portland gets a whole lot brighter mid-May.

STOMP
 
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Mediocre Man said:
Decent chance it does

Could be him threatening to leave….AGAIN

Could be him knowing it will take Sharpe to get a player that will help us get to the 1st round

Could be about Nurk and knowing he’s not the guy to help this team succeed deep into the playoffs

Could be about Jerami Grant going somewhere else
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I am guessing like the rest of you, but the first thing that popped into my mind was that a friend of his has to be sacrificed for the team to move forward. Ant is a friend with a much needed matching contract. Maybe Nurk as well, but I doubt it is Sharpe or Grant.
 
I read Dame’s post as totally neutral. Improving the Blazers is going to require painful choices, whether it’s Simons and Nurk leaving in a trade or the Blazers deciding that a rebuild is a better option and moving Dame. You can’t make an omelette without breaking some eggs, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t painful for those involved.
 
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