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"What is it going to cost for me to get there?" That is the question many of us are asking...What is it going to cost to keep him here? And I agree, there are no guarantees. The sure thing at this moment is that the Blazers have the potential of being an exciting team for years to come, and the only thing that may change this, is keeping Damian Lillard happy.
And after those years, there's plenty of time to draft more youngsters, who may be way better than Scoot to rebuild with. Special doesn't come around often. And even if it does, it may never be all in like Dame has been, even through the rough stretches.
 
To me, Scoot doesn't make any sense at all. We've got a top 10 player, at the height of his abilities, on a team that needs "size" and skills at the wing position. I'm cool with drafting Miller, or moving back and drafting Whitmore + getting another pick, or picks in the deal if Siakam, or Bridges can't be acquired. I get some in here are blown away by dunks. We have Sharpe for that. I want to keep the guy who's one of the top shooters in the game, a flat out assassin who can carry the team to a win, and is the best closer in the game, in his prime. Underrated facilitator too. It's not time to change our PG, it's time to put more talent around him. In a year where you have the most collateral , to acquire said talent , for the 1st time in a long while.
If the Magic love Scoot. I think a really easy trade to make if the Hornets take Miller is 3 and Nurk for Franz, WCJ and 11. We would still have 11, 23 and both Ant and Nas to match salaries and make one more big bold move. Those are two players that have shown they can play in the league but are young enough to have a lot of upside.
 
If the Magic love Scoot. I think a really easy trade to make if the Hornets take Miller is 3 and Nurk for Franz, WCJ and 11. We would still have 11, 23 and both Ant and Nas to match salaries and make one more big bold move. Those are two players that have shown they can play in the league but are young enough to have a lot of upside.
I love Franz and mentioned a trade for him awhile ago but after reading some message boards I didn’t realize how much the fans(and I’m guessing organization) value him. I think they have 2 pieces they won’t part with and he’s one of them.
 
And after those years, there's plenty of time to draft more youngsters, who may be way better than Scoot to rebuild with. Special doesn't come around often. And even if it does, it may never be all in like Dame has been, even through the rough stretches.

I get it...I think we see things differently. Yes, Dame is an assassin and a great shooter, there's no denying it. I just prefer a style of play that emphasizes a faster pace, ball movement and defense...Like Miami and Denver.
 
I get it...I think we see things differently. Yes, Dame is an assassin and a great shooter, there's no denying it. I just prefer a style of play that emphasizes a faster pace, ball movement and defense...Like Miami and Denver.
many here are in a rut with their views, some especially so. Maybe if they post the same thought another 10,000 times we'll all come to see things their way?

STOMP
 
most here are stuck in a rut, some especially so. Maybe if they post the same thought another 10,000 times we'll all come to see things their way?

STOMP
You're spamming your perspective pretty hard. We get it. You want to move on from Dame. Cool. Some of us don't and I think most of the posts that I see about how we move forward with Dame have different ideas of how to do that. You just keep saying that we can't do it and expect to contend.
 
You're spamming your perspective pretty hard. We get it. You want to move on from Dame. Cool. Some of us don't and I think most of the posts that I see about how we move forward with Dame have different ideas of how to do that. You just keep saying that we can't do it and expect to contend.
We being you and 3 other posters who don't want to hear anything but Dame Dame Dame like children clinging to visions of Santa, so much that any other discussion makes that poster a hater. It's pathetic. This is a Portland Trailblazers forum not the Damian Lillard fan club, grow up. We all love Dame, who else but total Trailblazer die hards would be chopping it up daily in the offseason after another terrible campaign?

I'm a lifelong Blazer fan whose priority is to win championships and only wish this organization prioritized winning. In our discussions here, I'm open to many possibilities that get the team to contender level, but competing with Dame given his age and the state of the roster is the longest of longshots. Fantasy trades where Joe pulls a magic bunny out his ass are every offseason BS that never happen. Everyone would love it if they did, but most accept reality that it's extremely unlikely and move on to something that has a realistic chance of happening.

Given history, they are absolutely not trading Dame this offseason. They can't until July and won't unless someone completely knocks their socks off with a unexpected lopsided offer as they're clearly more about butts in seats then building a contender. In charge, I'd have accepted reality a while back and started the next era to build towards competing. Dame has been an awesome PTB and I'd absolutely love to see him win a championship even if it's elsewhere much more then I want to see him wallow in mediocrity here as his career winds down... thats you. Olshey shit the bed time and again and here we are with you wanting to throw good money after bad and me wishing they'd turn the page. I expect they'll again try to split the baby this offseason and take both the long and short road adding a pick and a vet. Maybe they'll reach 500 again before Dame's health fails? So excited

As far as "spamming my perspective pretty hard" you should take a look in the mirror. Quick math reveals you're posting here 3.5+ times a day to my 2... or almost twice as much. Pot/kettle is being kind

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I get it...I think we see things differently. Yes, Dame is an assassin and a great shooter, there's no denying it. I just prefer a style of play that emphasizes a faster pace, ball movement and defense...Like Miami and Denver.
Fun fact, we played at a faster pace than Miami and Denver this season!
Both teams in the finals were in the bottom quarter of pace this season. But carry on about your desire for fast pace like them.
 
Fun fact, we played at a faster pace than Miami and Denver this season!
Both teams in the finals were in the bottom quarter of pace this season. But carry on about your desire for fast pace like them.

those pesky facts are pesky

Boston had a slower pace than Portland; so did Phoenix, Brooklyn, NY Knicks, Philly, & Cleveland. In fact, 6 of the 8 teams in the conference semi-finals had a slower pace than Portland.

but yeah, let's blame Dame for not understanding the importance of pace
 
Fun fact, we played at a faster pace than Miami and Denver this season!
Both teams in the finals were in the bottom quarter of pace this season. But carry on about your desire for fast pace like them.
Add it to the list of meaningless stats that get falsely associated to success.
 
many here are in a rut with their views, some especially so. Maybe if they post the same thought another 10,000 times we'll all come to see things their way?

STOMP
I've just learned to accept that I'm all wrong and some wize guys just know it all.
 
By the way. Please understand the reason Damian Lillard listed his house in West Linn for sale. It’s because his other house is ready.

His 'old' house was dope. Can't imagine what the new place will be like.
 
So, yeh, he is still talking about wanting to build a team to win in Portland. But the way he is talking about Bam and Bridges being his dawgs and not about how much he wants them in Portland (and I didn't listen to the video so maybe he does say that?) Don't hear him saying Grant is his dawg or Sharpe is his dawg. And yeh, I know that's not the question he was asked. But I would have preferred he answered by saying "I'm not talking about what teams I want to go to right now. We are still working on making this a great team".
He also started to slip up a little the other day when he said the team is working to get ME some help, then quickly corrected it to say US.
Maybe I am oversensitive, but for me, this makes it more likely that I am ready for the team to move on....
 
So, yeh, he is still talking about wanting to build a team to win in Portland. But the way he is talking about Bam and Bridges being his dawgs and not about how much he wants them in Portland (and I didn't listen to the video so maybe he does say that?) Don't hear him saying Grant is his dawg or Sharpe is his dawg. And yeh, I know that's not the question he was asked. But I would have preferred he answered by saying "I'm not talking about what teams I want to go to right now. We are still working on making this a great team".
He also started to slip up a little the other day when he said the team is working to get ME some help, then quickly corrected it to say US.
Maybe I am oversensitive, but for me, this makes it more likely that I am ready for the team to move on....
I don't think you're oversensitive. I think Dame is just reiterating his position that it's time for management to put up or shut up. I do not think that backs anyone into any corners it just means that if we don't improve this team in a meaningful way that he will want out. I don't blame him and it gives Cronin the opportunity to explore trades to make the team better aggressively or once again punt on the team's success by trading Dame and going into a total youth rebuild.
 
I don't think you're oversensitive. I think Dame is just reiterating his position that it's time for management to put up or shut up. I do not think that backs anyone into any corners it just means that if we don't improve this team in a meaningful way that he will want out. I don't blame him and it gives Cronin the opportunity to explore trades to make the team better aggressively or once again punt on the team's success by trading Dame and going into a total youth rebuild.
But i do see now after reading some more posts here, that those tweets i saw may have given a somewhat distorted picture, especially if he was asked about specific teams. And his overall tenor seemed to be that he preferred to stay in Portland and knew there were risks in going elsewhere to seek a title.
 
So, yeh, he is still talking about wanting to build a team to win in Portland. But the way he is talking about Bam and Bridges being his dawgs and not about how much he wants them in Portland (and I didn't listen to the video so maybe he does say that?) Don't hear him saying Grant is his dawg or Sharpe is his dawg. And yeh, I know that's not the question he was asked. But I would have preferred he answered by saying "I'm not talking about what teams I want to go to right now. We are still working on making this a great team".
He also started to slip up a little the other day when he said the team is working to get ME some help, then quickly corrected it to say US.
Maybe I am oversensitive, but for me, this makes it more likely that I am ready for the team to move on....
Custer was bending his arm , and he gave him a answer to make him move on. It was just an if's and But's, were candy and nuts. Dame said what he wanted to do, and he wanted to do it in Portland. Because Bam & Mikal are his buds, and they're on other teams is just what it is. He also said that any deal to send him to a contender would weaken their chances to do so by the compensation that would be sent back. And that team probably wouldn't be any better than where he left.
 
So, yeh, he is still talking about wanting to build a team to win in Portland. But the way he is talking about Bam and Bridges being his dawgs and not about how much he wants them in Portland (and I didn't listen to the video so maybe he does say that?) Don't hear him saying Grant is his dawg or Sharpe is his dawg. And yeh, I know that's not the question he was asked. But I would have preferred he answered by saying "I'm not talking about what teams I want to go to right now. We are still working on making this a great team".
He also started to slip up a little the other day when he said the team is working to get ME some help, then quickly corrected it to say US.
Maybe I am oversensitive, but for me, this makes it more likely that I am ready for the team to move on....
I'd encourage you to listen to the entire video. I did, and I did not walk away thinking Dame wants out. Very much the opposite.

He restated he wants to win in Portland. He restated he expects to be a Blazer next season. He restated he wants to play his entire career in Portland. He restated how much he likes the organization and the city.

Edit: Does that mean that's how it's going to end? No. It may make sense for Dame and Portland to go different directions. But the narrative that he's actively making things worse or that he wants out has can't be supported with any facts that I've seen.
 
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Dame is not doing the Portland Trailblazers any favors at all. Those of us that own businesses or are in upper management know that Dame should be keeping his damn mouth shut. He is massively weakening the Blazers position in ALL NEGOTIATIONS. It is not even debatable. Now that the world, and especially Brooklyn and Miami knows that they possess Dame's dogs, the price just went up exponentially to trade for them. Likewise, he is tanking his trade value by stating who his dogs are and where he prefers to play. What he is doing is stabbing Cronin in the back. Actually no, he is slitting his throat. Cronin has zero leverage. Dame has diminished the value of the third pick with this self serving promotion. Now, the only option is to draft BPA. I know the Dame fan club will make excuses for him, but as a business, the business of the Portland Trailblazers, he is damaging the brand and assets of the company.
 
I'd encourage you to listen to the entire video. I did, and I did not walk away thinking Dame wants out. Very much the opposite.

He restated he wants to win in Portland. He restated he expects to be a Blazer next season. He restated he wants to play his entire career in Portland. He restated how much he likes the organization and the city.
That’s all true. But he also restated twice that they would be having a conversation if the team didn’t use their assets to improve the team. He pretty much reiterated what he said back in April.
 
I'd encourage you to listen to the entire video. I did, and I did not walk away thinking Dame wants out. Very much the opposite.

He restated he wants to win in Portland. He restated he expects to be a Blazer next season. He restated he wants to play his entire career in Portland. He restated how much he likes the organization and the city.

Then he should keep his damn mouth shut and let Cronin do his job. Why all of a sudden does he have to give an interview to anyone that asks questions? He is literally killing the Blazers position in everything. It is plain to see as the Dame Dolla hat he was wearing in the other interview. Whatever, it is just disgusting to me. I'm getting to the point I would prefer him gone so the club can move forward without the knife in the back.
 
That’s all true. But he also restated twice that they would be having a conversation if the team didn’t use their assets to improve the team. He pretty much reiterated what he said back in April.

Open communication is good.

He didn't say he'd demand a trade out of Portland. That's the narrative though.
 
Dame is not doing the Portland Trailblazers any favors at all. Those of us that own businesses or are in upper management know that Dame should be keeping his damn mouth shut. He is massively weakening the Blazers position in ALL NEGOTIATIONS. It is not even debatable. Now that the world, and especially Brooklyn and Miami knows that they possess Dame's dogs, the price just went up exponentially to trade for them. Likewise, he is tanking his trade value by stating who his dogs are and where he prefers to play. What he is doing is stabbing Cronin in the back. Actually no, he is slitting his throat. Cronin has zero leverage. Dame has diminished the value of the third pick with this self serving promotion. Now, the only option is to draft BPA. I know the Dame fan club will make excuses for him, but as a business, the business of the Portland Trailblazers, he is damaging the brand and assets of the company.
He isn't weakening Cronin's abilities whatsoever, in my opinion. Cronin has an impetus to either improve the team dramatically or move Dame. Those two almost opposite directions that Cronin can go in give him a lot of leverage. The value of the pieces Cronin has to work with give him a lot of leverage. The fact that there are 30 teams and not just 3 teams gives Cronin a lot of avenues and thus gives him a lot of leverage. Dame hasn't publicly demanded a trade, he's said he wants this team to get better... every team needs to get better. Due to the fact that Dame hasn't demanded a trade, the teams he mentioned don't have added leverage, they might think they have a potential deal but that doesn't equal leverage when there are so many other options in any direction that are out there.
 
If one thing should become apparent in all this, it's that whatever Dame says, it's going to be taken largely out of context, spun and twisted into whatever the listener wants it to be.

Case in point: In Dame's recent interview, he was asked if he was traded, what would be his preferred destination out of I think three teams. He answered honestly.

Today on Twitter, we have a bunch of Heat fans all ga-ga that Lillard wants a trade to Miami. No mention to the fact that he's said he sees himself staying in Portland, wants to stay in Portland, or that he was asked a specific question and answered the hypothetical.

The more this goes on, the less stock I put into "Dame said he wants a veteran team," because that's really not the question. He's saying what he'd prefer. He's not saying he's chained to that position, that anything other than that is a dealbreaker ... there's a lot of room for nuance that a lot of people just don't want to recognize.

What irks me is that Dame, in the interest of being transparent and honest, feeds the beast because the people hearing what he says aren't being transparent or honest.
 
He isn't weakening Cronin's abilities whatsoever, in my opinion. Cronin has an impetus to either improve the team dramatically or move Dame. Those two almost opposite directions that Cronin can go in give him a lot of leverage. The value of the pieces Cronin has to work with give him a lot of leverage. The fact that there are 30 teams and not just 3 teams gives Cronin a lot of avenues and thus gives him a lot of leverage. Dame hasn't publicly demanded a trade, he's said he wants this team to get better... every team needs to get better. Due to the fact that Dame hasn't demanded a trade, the teams he mentioned don't have added leverage, they might think they have a potential deal but that doesn't equal leverage when there are so many other options in any direction that are out there.

I am not typing about Dame being traded as much as the other assets to achieve the goals that HE wants immediately. I never thought Bridges or Bam were obtainable. Those teams don't want to trade them. Even if they considered it Dame has killed the value of Portlands assets. I know you will never see it. Portland will do a shit trade to placate Dame or draft BPA. At this point, the best players available will be negative value players like Simmons, KAT, Gobert, etc...
 

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