Dame all but demanding vet roster (1 Viewer)

[Tince]

Then he should keep his damn mouth shut and let Cronin do his job. Why all of a sudden does he have to give an interview to anyone that asks questions? He is literally killing the Blazers position in everything. It is plain to see as the Dame Dolla hat he was wearing in the other interview. Whatever, it is just disgusting to me. I'm getting to the point I would prefer him gone so the club can move forward without the knife in the back.

Ahh, the old "shut up and play basketball" take. Having just watched the first two episodes of the Bill Walton 30 for 30, I thought people had grown out of this stance.Have you considered, that maybe he did spend a decade of shutting up and letting the GM do his job? In that time, while he was keeping his "damn mouth shut", he watched the only all-star teammate of his walk for nothing, a revolving door of forgettable forwards, no signficant moves made, etc.

He's always been in an honest person. It's possible his stance and desires have changed. There is ZERO proof that his interviews have negatively impacted Portland's abilities to build a contending roster, let alone that he's "killing the Blazers position in everything". While you may be at the point that you would prefer him gone for thoughtfully and respectfully speaking his mind, I am at the point of wanting anyone who thinks he should be silenced or a robot to go be a fan of another team.

If people want Dame gone because they don't think the Blazers can win with him, I disagree, but I get it. If people want Dame gone because of the way he speaks with the fans and the media, they clearly have no clue how good they have it with this guy.

 

[Phatguysrule]

We should blame Dame for not having better teammates.

Crazy enough, I've had conversations with posters who are doing exactly that... it's incredible...

 

[Phatguysrule]

there are a few posters here who have been doing that for years

It's probably Dames fault that Jody is ignoring Uncle Phil too...

 

[Tince]

Dame is not doing the Portland Trailblazers any favors at all. Those of us that own businesses or are in upper management know that Dame should be keeping his damn mouth shut. He is massively weakening the Blazers position in ALL NEGOTIATIONS. It is not even debatable. Now that the world, and especially Brooklyn and Miami knows that they possess Dame's dogs, the price just went up exponentially to trade for them. Likewise, he is tanking his trade value by stating who his dogs are and where he prefers to play. What he is doing is stabbing Cronin in the back. Actually no, he is slitting his throat. Cronin has zero leverage. Dame has diminished the value of the third pick with this self serving promotion. Now, the only option is to draft BPA. I know the Dame fan club will make excuses for him, but as a business, the business of the Portland Trailblazers, he is damaging the brand and assets of the company.

Please point to the deal that didn't get done or was weakened by Dame speaking to the media. Also, please list all the great deals that were able to get done because Dame wasn't as vocal about his desires in his first 8ish seasons.

This is a made-up narrative with ZERO proof to support it. The thought that other teams would have made a great trade with the Blazers, but because Dame is on a boxing YouTube interview, they are no longer willing to make that offer is total silliness.

 

[Phatguysrule]

But i do see now after reading some more posts here, that those tweets i saw may have given a somewhat distorted picture, especially if he was asked about specific teams. And his overall tenor seemed to be that he preferred to stay in Portland and knew there were risks in going elsewhere to seek a title.

Yeah, Dame specifically said he doesn't want to go to another team that will have to be gutted in the trade to get him there. He knows Portland isn't going to give him up for less than a good return.

He knows that being traded likely won't get him any closer to a championship than just staying here. He just wants the team to compete, not rebuild. I'm with him on that. He expects to be in Portland next season. I think what Dame has done is make sure that management is ultra focused on competing.

 

[BIG Q]

Ahh, the old "shut up and play basketball" take. Having just watched the first two episodes of the Bill Walton 30 for 30, I thought people had grown out of this stance.Have you considered, that maybe he did spend a decade of shutting up and letting the GM do his job? In that time, while he was keeping his "damn mouth shut", he watched the only all-star teammate of his walk for nothing, a revolving door of forgettable forwards, no signficant moves made, etc.

He's always been in an honest person. It's possible his stance and desires have changed. There is ZERO proof that his interviews have negatively impacted Portland's abilities to build a contending roster, let alone that he's "killing the Blazers position in everything". While you may be at the point that you would prefer him gone for thoughtfully and respectfully speaking his mind, I am at the point of wanting anyone who thinks he should be silenced or a robot to go be a fan of another team.

If people want Dame gone because they don't think the Blazers can win with him, I disagree, but I get it. If people want Dame gone because of the way he speaks with the fans and the media, they clearly have no clue how good they have it with this guy.

I did not say "shut up and play basketball." I said shut up and let the GM do his job. Go to the studio and do your thing. Go camping, whatever he likes non basketball related. It is the off season. Do off season stuff. Talking to anyone that will listen when the NBA Finals are in full swing is disrespectful to the Nuggets, Heat, NBA and is only self serving. I am sure the league office does not appreciate this. But thanks for the offer to go be a fan of another team fan boy. Good to know someone as astute as you is running the Lillard Fan Club. Peace.

 

[wizenheimer]

Then he should keep his damn mouth shut and let Cronin do his job. Why all of a sudden does he have to give an interview to anyone that asks questions? He is literally killing the Blazers position in everything. It is plain to see as the Dame Dolla hat he was wearing in the other interview. Whatever, it is just disgusting to me. I'm getting to the point I would prefer him gone so the club can move forward without the knife in the back.

I really don't think that's true at all.

I think the 3rd pick in a draft will have the same value whether or not some star is chatting about his druthers. We've already heard, plenty, that just about every team in the top-10 of the draft besides San Antonio is considering the possibility of trading their pick. That happens every draft by the way. Ant & Nurk's value isn't going to crater because Dame gave an interview; neither is Little's or Keon's. And the TPE hasn't dropped from 8.3M to 5.2M because Dame talked. And the perceived value of Scoot or Miller or Amen isn't going to change one fucking bit because Dame called Bam his dawg

teams will always be fishing for bargains & steals; always. Doesn't mean another team will cooperate. Portland hasn't made Sharpe untouchable because they are dealing from a position of weakness

as for Dame's value, him chatting it up doesn't matter either. After everything he's said and done confirming his loyalty to Portland, and everything the Blazer Org. has done confirming their commitment to Dame, if Portland suddenly starts shopping Dame, all 29 other front offices will know exactly what happened: Dame asked to be traded. And the Blazers will get offers according to that reality

the number of weird 'reasons' that people in this forum find to justify trashing Dame is fucking ridiculous

 

[Phatguysrule]

I did not say "shut up and play basketball." I said shut up and let the GM do his job. Go to the studio and do your thing. Go camping, whatever he likes non basketball related. It is the off season. Do off season stuff. Talking to anyone that will listen when the NBA Finals are in full swing is disrespectful to the Nuggets, Heat, NBA and is only self serving. I am sure the league office does not appreciate this. But thanks for the offer to go be a fan of another team fan boy. Good to know someone as astute as you is running the Lillard Fan Club. Peace.

I don't think Dame is preventing the GM from doing his job. Or impacting the difficulty of the GM job. At all.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Cronin is encouraging Dame to do these interviews.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

His 'old' house was dope. Can't imagine what the new place will be like.

All I can say is it is fantastic.

 

[riverman]

I think it's actually funny how Dame is baiting the media rumor mills...he's riffing for the camera...my gut says he's never leaving Portland ...loved his "look what happened to Russ in LA" comment. Right now he's team captain...assistant coach...lead scout and assistant GM of the Blazers....that's nowhere to be found in the NBA and he knows it. Best locker room crew in the league year after year. In the words of Wheels, "it's a great time to be a Blazer" Keep Dame and the 3rd pick...put a vet on the starting core with Jerami and Dame and have a dynamic bench mob with the 3rd pick playing with Sharpe coming off the bench. We're in a good position this off season to bolster the roster

 

[Tince]

I did not say "shut up and play basketball." I said shut up and let the GM do his job. Go to the studio and do your thing. Go camping, whatever he likes non basketball related. It is the off season. Do off season stuff. Talking to anyone that will listen when the NBA Finals are in full swing is disrespectful to the Nuggets, Heat, NBA and is only self serving. I am sure the league office does not appreciate this. But thanks for the offer to go be a fan of another team fan boy. Good to know someone as astute as you is running the Lillard Fan Club. Peace.

I understand you think anyone who pushes back against your view of "keep his (Dame) mouth shut" must only be because one is a member of a personal fan club, but that is not the case. If you think Dame is the only player doing media interviews during the finals, you are a bit sheltered. The thought that the Nuggets/Heat might feel disrespected because he's going on podcasts is also laughable.

You are clearly reaching for reasons to be upset with him, for some unknown reason. The baseless assumptions that Dame has hurt roster building or trade negociations is unfounded. The claim the league office doesn't appreciate this, is unfounded. Please back up these claims with some facts, quotes, anything.

If you want Dame gone becuase you don't like him, then just say it, but don't make things up to create a false narrative.

 

[Tince]

I really don't think that's true at all.

I think the 3rd pick in a draft will have the same value whether or not some star is chatting about his druthers. We've already heard, plenty, that just about every team in the top-10 of the draft besides San Antonio is considering the possibility of trading their pick. That happens every draft by the way. Ant & Nurk's value isn't going to crater because Dame gave an interview; neither is Little's or Keon's. And the TPE hasn't dropped from 8.3M to 5.2M because Dame talked. And the perceived value of Scoot or Miller or Amen isn't going to change one fucking bit because Dame called Bam his dawg

teams will always be fishing for bargains & steals; always. Doesn't mean another team will cooperate. Portland hasn't made Sharpe untouchable because they are dealing from a position of weakness

as for Dame's value, him chatting it up doesn't matter either. After everything he's said and done confirming his loyalty to Portland, and everything the Blazer Org. has done confirming their commitment to Dame, if Portland suddenly starts shopping Dame, all 29 other front offices will know exactly what happened: Dame asked to be traded. And the Blazers will get offers according to that reality

the number of weird 'reasons' that people in this forum find to justify trashing Dame is fucking ridiculous

Well put.

Making a basketball/business case that paying Dame a super-max would make building a championship roster hard is one thing. We can agree or disagree to what path is the best. Trying to blame Dame's interviews for the reason better moves haven't been made or as a sign of disrepect for the Finals and the league office is fully grasping.

But you're also a founding member of the Dame Fan Club so your opinion is void!

 

[Hoopguru]

I think it's actually funny how Dame is baiting the media rumor mills...he's riffing for the camera...my gut says he's never leaving Portland ...loved his "look what happened to Russ in LA" comment. Right now he's team captain...assistant coach...lead scout and assistant GM of the Blazers....that's nowhere to be found in the NBA and he knows it. Best locker room crew in the league year after year. In the words of Wheels, "it's a great time to be a Blazer" Keep Dame and the 3rd pick...put a vet on the starting core with Jerami and Dame and have a dynamic bench mob with the 3rd pick playing with Sharpe coming off the bench. We're in a good position this off season to bolster the roster

Yeah, look at the two super stars Durant & Kyrie that were traded, and how it may end up?

 

[Hoopguru]

He also said in that interview that every team should be required to have two old vets to help in guidance of youngsters.

 

[Tince]

He also said in that interview that every team should be required to have two old vets to help in guidance of youngsters.

I thought that idea was totally bizarre.

It's one thing to say there is value of having vets on your team, but for the commish to require every team have two really old vets who don't play (he used Haslem as the example), doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I'd encourage you to listen to the entire video. I did, and I did not walk away thinking Dame wants out. Very much the opposite.

He restated he wants to win in Portland. He restated he expects to be a Blazer next season. He restated he wants to play his entire career in Portland. He restated how much he likes the organization and the city.

Edit: Does that mean that's how it's going to end? No. It may make sense for Dame and Portland to go different directions. But the narrative that he's actively making things worse or that he wants out has can't be supported with any facts that I've seen.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2023/06/0...n-so-everyone-starts-trade-speculation-again/

 

[Tince]

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2023/06/0...n-so-everyone-starts-trade-speculation-again/

What a great title!

 

[OneSport3]

FWIW, CJ said if he was a betting man, he thinks Dame will not be here come next season.

 

[tykendo]

I thought that idea was totally bizarre.

It's one thing to say there is value of having vets on your team, but for the commish to require every team have two really old vets who don't play (he used Haslem as the example), doesn't make much sense to me.

Not really. Look at Jeff Green in Denver. Older & wiser. But can still shoot the corner 3 with best of them. He adds a lot to their bench. He mentioned Haslem, but i think he was also taking about guys like K Love & Jeff Green. The Blazers could use a guy like that, who can still play as well, to help with the youngsters.

 

[DDolla]

Get that Ring Dame… you deserve it

 

[Haakzilla]

 

[Tince]

Not really. Look at Jeff Green in Denver. Older & wiser. But can still shoot the corner 3 with best of them. He adds a lot to their bench. He mentioned Haslem, but i think he was also taking about guys like K Love & Jeff Green. The Blazers could use a guy like that, who can still play as well, to help with the youngsters.

You think every team in the league should be required to have two guys near the age of 40 on their roster who don't play?

I'm not saying there isn't value to it for some teams. What Dame said is that it should be a league mandiated rule. You don't think that is bizarre?

 

[Tince]

The real quote should be "This isn't Dame telling me these types of things...."

 

[wizenheimer]

The real quote should be "This isn't Dame telling me these types of things...."

I'm just waiting for Big Q to come in and start trashing CJ for undermining Portland's leverage

 

[Tince]

I'm just waiting for Big Q to come in and start trashing CJ for undermining Portland's leverage

How dare ESPN sabotage their own NBA Finals ratings by talking about Dame on a morning show. Had Lillard just kept his mouth shut, the LIV would've never had leverage over the PGA tour.

 

[TBpup]

Get that Ring Dame… you deserve it

And now Dame is naming teams he would like to go to because they have his 'dogs' on the team and that they would be able to make the trade and still have a legit team left over after the outgoing assets.

Normally, this is media generated stuff, but this is Dame naming teams and his best bud CJ making comments.

 

[Natebishop3]

CJ is just using the Dame circus to get a minute in the spotlight.

 

[tykendo]

FWIW, CJ said if he was a betting man, he thinks Dame will not be here come next season.

Screamin' A hates him some Portland. Man! Screamin' A better tell Uncle Phil & that LA Real Estate Dude to not buy, or have anything to do with the Blazers. According to SAS , it's a losing proposition. Basketball Purgatory he says. NO Free Agents are going to come to Portland. Same shit, different day from Screamin' A. C J got his wine country plug in though. Hilarious. I agree with Chris Russo. Let Dame stay if he wants.

 

[Cugel]

CJ should have just said " I don't know; nobody knows."
Why feed the gossip machine CJ?

 

[Tince]

And now Dame is naming teams he would like to go to because they have his 'dogs' on the team and that they would be able to make the trade and still have a legit team left over after the outgoing assets.

Normally, this is media generated stuff, but this is Dame naming teams and his best bud CJ making comments.

I don't believe Dame named teams in the clip you quoted. In fact, Dame was not even in the clip you quoted.

In the previous boxing YouTube podcast video a specific question was asked about which team he would prefer to go to between Miami, Brooklyn, and Boston I believe.