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wizenheimer said:
I was eager for Portland to trade CJ for Gordon + Ross, but a lot of people said it would be a terrible trade for Portland
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To be fair, I don't think Orlando would have been interested either. Generally fair value, but the Magic were pivoting younger at that point.
 
McCollum is just playing hard for a new contract extension. So what if the Pelicans improved after the Cronin trade? New Orleans has yet to get the really bad CJ that needed to be dumped immediately to improve the Blazers long term goals.
 
Whyachi said:
McCollum is just playing hard for a new contract extension. So what if the Pelicans improved after the Cronin trade? New Orleans has yet to get the really bad CJ that needed to be dumped immediately to improve the Blazers long term goals.
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There are so many mental gymnastics in your post it's pretty amazing.
 
Natebishop3 said:
If you think I'm loud on here, you should see me in person. Frankly I don't care if you agree with me. But if you do disagree, I'd like to see some actual tangible evidence to the contrary.
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I think what everyone is trying to say, is you got some weird issues with people on a forum. You start this talk about blocking people like we all care. It's a running theme with you here, getting into it with many different posters over and over and you think it's everyone else but you....when its the other way around...i

t's getting old now and quite frankly I would love if this forum capped how many times you can poster here a day, you stick your head in every single thread here and make it about you.
 
sheed30 said:
I think what everyone is trying to say, is you got some weird issues with people on a forum. You start this talk about blocking people like we all care. It's a running theme with you here, getting into it with many different posters over and over and you think it's everyone else but you....when its the other way around...i

t's getting old now and quite frankly I would love if this forum capped how many times you can poster here a day, you stick your head in every single thread here and make it about you.
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Never thought the "loud and I don't care what other people think" was the win some people seemed to think it was, either. In fact, most people I know that say that actually are trying to mask a lack-of-confidence issue. If you really don't care what people think, you don't even think about it, let alone put out a big neon sign to tell them you don't.
 
Graduate32 said:
To be fair, I don't think Orlando would have been interested either. Generally fair value, but the Magic were pivoting younger at that point.
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it wasn't much of a pivot though. They traded Gordon for Gary Harris, who was a year older than Gordon (still is a year older...imagine that!), and only 2 years younger than CJ

but Orlando did get a 1st out of the deal, and they would have almost certainly recognized that CJ was significantly overpaid
 
wizenheimer said:
it wasn't much of a pivot though. They traded Gordon for Gary Harris, who was a year older than Gordon (still is a year older...imagine that!), and only 2 years younger than CJ

but Orlando did get a 1st out of the deal, and they would have almost certainly recognized that CJ was significantly overpaid
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Right. They also got RJ Hampton who now seems like a throw in, but at the time was considered moderately intriguing at the very least. At that point, they weren't trading for Harris as an asset at all. Harris had kind of fell apart in Denver at that point.
 
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blazedanugz said:
Some ayton smoke this morning.
Great time to get him while his value is low
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Regardless of his value being low currently, his salary will always be high. If we had some big expiring contract and could actually buy low on him, that'd be one thing, but I still think Simons has good value around the league, and he'd almost have to be included to match salary, which then makes it not really buying low, IMO.
 
PCmor7 said:
Never thought the "loud and I don't care what other people think" was the win some people seemed to think it was, either. In fact, most people I know that say that actually are trying to mask a lack-of-confidence issue. If you really don't care what people think, you don't even think about it, let alone put out a big neon sign to tell them you don't.
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I don’t come on here to talk about me. I come on here to talk about the blazers. But you and bender and that other person seemed to be fixated on making it about me the poster and not the content of my post. You’re still doing it.

I don’t care what you think about me. I’m not going to change me. I am who I am.

I have said it repeatedly. If I bother you, put me on ignore. I’m not going to miss you.
 
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sheed30 said:
I think what everyone is trying to say, is you got some weird issues with people on a forum. You start this talk about blocking people like we all care. It's a running theme with you here, getting into it with many different posters over and over and you think it's everyone else but you....when its the other way around...i

t's getting old now and quite frankly I would love if this forum capped how many times you can poster here a day, you stick your head in every single thread here and make it about you.
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Ah one of the guys who has been on my list for a while. Definitely haven’t missed you. Any time I foolishly click on the show post button it’s you insulting me. :lol:

so let me get this straight…

Me: posts opinion about the blazers

Other person: posts insulting comment about me because they disagree with me.

Me: tells them to put me on ignore if I bother them.

You: stop making everything about you!

Im not the one who insults people. I’m not the one who pulls it back out of the topic and calls someone infantile because I don’t agree with them about a sports team. The fact that you think it’s my fault that other people resort to personal insults tells me everything I need to know about you as a person.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don’t come on here to talk about me. I come on here to talk about the blazers. But you and bender and that other boner seemed to be fixated on making it about me the poster and not the content of my post. You’re still doing it.

I don’t care what you think about me. I’m not going to change me. I am who I am.

I have said it repeatedly. If I bother you, put me on ignore. I’m not going to miss you.
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okay bullshit. Enoughs enough man. No one is attacking Nate the person. Many are annoyed by Nate the poster. Most like most of your posts. I know i do. But you can not get it through your head that most are tired of reading the same thing from you over and over anytime someone posts a differing opinion. Why must you feel the need to quote and post everything in every thread you don't agree with on this?

The fact that you wont give any thought to how you are coming off does speak volumes though…
 
Natebishop3 said:
Ah one of the guys who has been on my list for a while. Definitely haven’t missed you. Any time I foolishly click on the show post button it’s you insulting me. :lol:

so let me get this straight…

Me: posts a gazillion posts with the same opinion about the blazers not really saying anything new, just arguing the same thing with everyone over and over….

Other person: posts insulting comment about me because they disagree with me.

Me: tells them to put me on ignore if I bother them.

You: stop making everything about you!

Im not the one who insults people. I’m not the one who pulls it back out of the topic and calls someone infantile because I don’t agree with them about a sports team. The fact that you think it’s my fault that other people resort to personal insults tells me everything I need to know about you as a person.
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fixed that for you!!!
 
RR7 said:
Regardless of his value being low currently, his salary will always be high. If we had some big expiring contract and could actually buy low on him, that'd be one thing, but I still think Simons has good value around the league, and he'd almost have to be included to match salary, which then makes it not really buying low, IMO.
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You'd have to feel really good about the chances that Ayton would perform more to his contract in Portland, that his inconsistency and sometimes downright disappointing play with the Suns was more about poor fit than Ayton himself. That's a big gamble. Of course, if it hits ....
 
BlazerBender said:
okay bullshit. Enoughs enough man. No one is attacking Nate the person. Many are annoyed by Nate the poster. Most like most of your posts. I know i do. But you can not get it through your head that most are tired of reading the same thing from you over and over anytime someone posts a differing opinion. Why must you feel the need to quote and post everything in every thread you don't agree with on this?

The fact that you wont give any thought to how you are coming off does speak volumes though…
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I can go back and quote some things if you’d like. Have you ever seen me resort to name calling first? Have you ever seen me get frustrated with a debate and then start attacking the other poster?

Ad hominem attacks are bullshit and it shows weakness. An inability to actually debate a topic.
 
RR7 said:
Regardless of his value being low currently, his salary will always be high. If we had some big expiring contract and could actually buy low on him, that'd be one thing, but I still think Simons has good value around the league, and he'd almost have to be included to match salary, which then makes it not really buying low, IMO.
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mid you get mikal on his contract then getting ayton shouldn’t hurt as bad. You can actually shed salary trading simons for mikal.

trade Nurk+first round picks+any role players they may be interested in/salary filler.

that type of trade is possible for him right now
 
RR7 said:
Regardless of his value being low currently, his salary will always be high. If we had some big expiring contract and could actually buy low on him, that'd be one thing, but I still think Simons has good value around the league, and he'd almost have to be included to match salary, which then makes it not really buying low, IMO.
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PCmor7 said:
You'd have to feel really good about the chances that Ayton would perform more to his contract in Portland, that his inconsistency and sometimes downright disappointing play with the Suns was more about poor fit than Ayton himself. That's a big gamble. Of course, if it hits ....
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I think Ayton is a bad fit there snd could use new scenery. I think he would be an upgrade. If we could get him for nurk/little and picks and then flip Ant for OG i think that pleases Dame and we keep our #3.

Not sire if the money works but i would be intrigued by this:

Dame/#3(Scoot)
Sharpe/Redish/Thybulle
OG/Thybulle/Watford
Grant/Watford/MLE
Ayton/Eubanks/MLE

Am i talking out of my ass or is this completely unrealistic?
 
Natebishop3 said:
I can go back and quote some things if you’d like. Have you ever seen me resort to name calling first? Have you ever seen me get frustrated with a debate and then start attacking the other poster?

Ad hominem attacks are bullshit and it shows weakness. An inability to actually debate a topic.
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I thought you didn't care?

Is there any room for you to move on from the topic and let others have their opinion of Dames intentions without you trying to smother theirs with yours? Thats all most are asking for man. Its your refusal to compromise on that that is bringing on the harshness.
Im gonna stop beating the dead horse now.

Dame said the other day he plans on being a Blazer next year. He also said if we keep this pick he will need to have another conversation. We all know what you think these things mean and i thinks you know what some others think it means. Its all opinion based. No facts.
So Lets talk Blazers and respect differing opinion regardless of whether we think the foundation is shakey or not. Shall we?

:cheers:
 
BlazerBender said:
I think Ayton is a bad fit there snd could use new scenery. I think he would be an upgrade. If we could get him for nurk/little and picks and then flip Ant for OG i think that pleases Dame and we keep our #3.

Not sire if the money works but i would be intrigued by this:

Dame/#3(Scoot)
Sharpe/Redish/Thybulle
OG/Thybulle/Watford
Grant/Watford/MLE
Ayton/Eubanks/MLE

Am i talking out of my ass or is this completely unrealistic?
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I think it's a fair discussion. None of us know Ayton to get a feel for maybe he just didn't click in the Suns' scheme or their locker room.

I mentioned before that Bones made what I found to be a really good post that Ayton was an upgrade over Nurk but it wasn't significant enough of an upgrade to justify the difference in salary. I agree he seems to have more potential than he's showed in Phoenix but all we really have to go by is how he's played there. I trust our new scouts but if we made a deal for him I'd be wary at first.

The one thing I've been leaning toward more and more is I don't think the Blazers should trade the 3. Well, qualify that ... shouldn't trade the 3 unless a knock-your-socks-off trade. That's not packaging the 3 with another starter to get Siakam or Brown. That's a trade that brings us an all-star level talent and leaves us the assets to make a deal for another top-tier player. Without that, I'm using the 3 because I think the player the Blazers get there will be a solid part of the rotation sooner than later. I'm looking at trading Ant, possibly Nurk and the filler we have to upgrade another position on the roster. If Dame has an issue with that, then we have a discussion and explain to him why it was done ... we're not going to throw away a chip with this kind of value for just any player someone's willing to deal to us.
 
PCmor7 said:
I think it's a fair discussion. None of us no Ayton to get a feel for maybe he just didn't click in the Suns' scheme or their locker room.

I mentioned before that Bones made what I found to be a really good post that Ayton was an upgrade over Nurk but it wasn't significant enough of an upgrade to justify the difference in salary. I agree he seems to have more potential than he's showed in Phoenix but all we really have to go by is how he's played there. I trust our new scouts but if we made a deal for him I'd be wary at first.

The one thing I've been leaning toward more and more is I don't think the Blazers should trade the 3. Well, qualify that ... shouldn't trade the 3 unless a knock-your-socks-off trade. That's not packaging the 3 with another starter to get Siakam or Brown. That's a trade that brings us an all-star level talent and leaves us the assets to make a deal for another top-tier player. Without that, I'm using the 3 because I think the player the Blazers get there will be a solid part of the rotation sooner than later. I'm looking at trading Ant, possibly Nurk and the filler we have to upgrade another position on the roster. If Dame has an issue with that, then we have a discussion and explain to him why it was done ... we're not going to throw away a chip with this kind of value for just any player someone's willing to deal to us.
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If anything, two contributing players in Scoot and Sharpe on rookie contracts makes it easier to swallow Dame, Ayton and Grant’s money the next couple of years.
Id love to bake that cake and see where we are at after next season.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Two threads about Dame and what he wants. So yeah….. I’m going to use the only public words from Dame talking about what he wants.
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Do you see a realistic scenario where we can keep the #3 even if its Scoot and make enough moves to keep Dame from asking out?
 
PCmor7 said:
I think it's a fair discussion. None of us know Ayton to get a feel for maybe he just didn't click in the Suns' scheme or their locker room.

I mentioned before that Bones made what I found to be a really good post that Ayton was an upgrade over Nurk but it wasn't significant enough of an upgrade to justify the difference in salary. I agree he seems to have more potential than he's showed in Phoenix but all we really have to go by is how he's played there. I trust our new scouts but if we made a deal for him I'd be wary at first.

The one thing I've been leaning toward more and more is I don't think the Blazers should trade the 3. Well, qualify that ... shouldn't trade the 3 unless a knock-your-socks-off trade. That's not packaging the 3 with another starter to get Siakam or Brown. That's a trade that brings us an all-star level talent and leaves us the assets to make a deal for another top-tier player. Without that, I'm using the 3 because I think the player the Blazers get there will be a solid part of the rotation sooner than later. I'm looking at trading Ant, possibly Nurk and the filler we have to upgrade another position on the roster. If Dame has an issue with that, then we have a discussion and explain to him why it was done ... we're not going to throw away a chip with this kind of value for just any player someone's willing to deal to us.
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But that’s the problem. It doesn’t seem like there’s going to be a knock your socks off trade for 3.

I’m concerned about the actual return we could get for Simons and 3. So it feels like there’s a very good chance we go into next season with mostly the same roster. That’s going to be depressing.
 
My fear with Ayton is it's the same stuff we say about Nurk. IF this, IF that. I'm also intrigued by the IFs, but also weary after so many years of them already. I've seen people say Dame could motivate him, etc. But Dame's great friends with Nurk, and can't motivate him to go beast mode more than a handful of times a year.
 
RR7 said:
Regardless of his value being low currently, his salary will always be high. If we had some big expiring contract and could actually buy low on him, that'd be one thing, but I still think Simons has good value around the league, and he'd almost have to be included to match salary, which then makes it not really buying low, IMO.
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And it actually won’t always look that high considering the new tv deal will kick in after next year….
 
RR7 said:
My fear with Ayton is it's the same stuff we say about Nurk. IF this, IF that. I'm also intrigued by the IFs, but also weary after so many years of them already. I've seen people say Dame could motivate him, etc. But Dame's great friends with Nurk, and can't motivate him to go beast mode more than a handful of times a year.
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Good points.
 
RR7 said:
My fear with Ayton is it's the same stuff we say about Nurk. IF this, IF that. I'm also intrigued by the IFs, but also weary after so many years of them already. I've seen people say Dame could motivate him, etc. But Dame's great friends with Nurk, and can't motivate him to go beast mode more than a handful of times a year.
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Nurks inconsistencies are annoying but it’s his complete inability to stay healthy that has really been a problem. If Ayton could be a player that is consistently healthy at center, it might be worth it. I’m just not sure if it’s worth that much money.
 
RR7 said:
My fear with Ayton is it's the same stuff we say about Nurk. IF this, IF that. I'm also intrigued by the IFs, but also weary after so many years of them already. I've seen people say Dame could motivate him, etc. But Dame's great friends with Nurk, and can't motivate him to go beast mode more than a handful of times a year.
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Compare their shooting percentages it might make you feel better about ayton
 
blazedanugz said:
And it actually won’t always look that high considering the new tv deal will kick in after next year….
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the new CBA has a 'smoothing' provision for those media deals, unlike the current CBA in 2016, so it won't be a 35% jump in the salary cap. Ayton's salary will still be relatively high

I've been an NBA fan for more than 50 years. I saw the golden ages of NBA big men when they dominated, and it was glorious fun to watch. I miss those times. But I realize the new reality....

...and that reality tells me that C is the least impactful position on the floor. Obviously if you have an MVP level C like Jokic and Embiid, it's a different kettle, but there are only two C's on that tier, and that tier is 2 or 3 tiers above the next tier

it's harsh and probably has some exceptions, but IMO, there are only 4 C's worth more than 20M/year: tier 1 - Jokic/Embiid & tier 3 - Adebayo/Sabonis. Other than those 4, I wouldn't want to pay any C more than 20M. They are just too injury prone and too liable to be played off the floor by small ball lineups

Ayton is way overpaid and I don't want the Blazers to be the team anchored to his contract
 
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