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wizenheimer said:
the new CBA has a 'smoothing' provision for those media deals, unlike the current CBA in 2016, so it won't be a 35% jump in the salary cap. Ayton's salary will still be relatively high

I've been an NBA fan for more than 50 years. I saw the golden ages of NBA big men when they dominated, and it was glorious fun to watch. I miss those times. But I realize the new reality....

...and that reality tells me that C is the least impactful position on the floor. Obviously if you have an MVP level C like Jokic and Embiid, it's a different kettle, but there are only two C's on that tier, and that tier is 2 or 3 tiers above the next tier

it's harsh and probably has some exceptions, but IMO, there are only 4 C's worth more than 20M/year: tier 1 - Jokic/Embiid & tier 3 - Adebayo/Sabonis. Other than those 4, I wouldn't want to pay any C more than 20M. They are just too injury prone and too liable to be played off the floor by small ball lineups

Ayton is way overpaid and I don't want the Blazers to be the team anchored to his contract
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How dare you leave out Eubanks from your list.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Nurks inconsistencies are annoying but it’s his complete inability to stay healthy that has really been a problem. If Ayton could be a player that is consistently healthy at center, it might be worth it. I’m just not sure if it’s worth that much money.
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Ayton missed 11 games his rookie season, then 35 games, 3, 24, and 15. He averages about 75% of a season. For an extra 15 million a season, we get what, exactly? An extra 8 -10 games maybe? And still inconsistent effort? That's a lot of $$ to spend in the hopes that he both stays healthy and "figures it out"
 
RR7 said:
Ayton missed 11 games his rookie season, then 35 games, 3, 24, and 15. He averages about 75% of a season. For an extra 15 million a season, we get what, exactly? An extra 8 -10 games maybe? And still inconsistent effort? That's a lot of $$ to spend in the hopes that he both stays healthy and "figures it out"
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He is better than Nurk. I don't think he's worth the extra money.

His contract would really limit any roster moves going forward.
 
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RR7 said:
Ayton missed 11 games his rookie season, then 35 games, 3, 24, and 15. He averages about 75% of a season. For an extra 15 million a season, we get what, exactly? An extra 8 -10 games maybe? And still inconsistent effort? That's a lot of $$ to spend in the hopes that he both stays healthy and "figures it out"
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In a vacuum sure, but if all you're spending is negative value Nurk and change for Ayton, you take it and run. If they do that, that means 99% they keep the #3 pick and use it on a rookie contract. This makes us better and makes a lot of sense. And I'm saying that as someone who isn't necessarily the biggest fan of Ayton, but he's a clear upgrade and at 24 years old and a former #1 pick, he's got a chance to get much better with his already terrific natural skills.
 
RR7 said:
Ayton missed 11 games his rookie season, then 35 games, 3, 24, and 15. He averages about 75% of a season. For an extra 15 million a season, we get what, exactly? An extra 8 -10 games maybe? And still inconsistent effort? That's a lot of $$ to spend in the hopes that he both stays healthy and "figures it out"
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You have piqued my interest and I looked up some other centers over the last 4 years.

Nurk
2019-2020 - 8 games
2020-2021 - 37 games
2021-2022 - 56 games
2022-2023 - 52 games

Total 46.6% of games

Embiid
2019-2020 - 51 games
2020-2021 - 51 games
2021-2022 - 68 games
2022-2023 - 66 games

Total 72%

Towns
2019-2020 - 35 games
2020-2021 - 50 games
2021-2022 - 74 games
2022-2023 - 29 games

Total 57%

Jokic
2019-2020 - 73 games
2020-2021 - 72 games
2021-2022 - 74 games
2022-2023 - 69 games

Total 87.8%

Sabonis
2019-2020 - 62 games
2020-2021 - 47 games
2021-2022 - 15 games
2022-2023 - 79 games

Total 61.8%

So what I'm taking from this is that Nurk is fucking ridiculously injury prone. Jokic is a machine. Ayton is pretty sturdy compared to some of the other premier centers in the league.
 
Regarding Ayton, I have lived in Tempe for 20+ years now. I know one of the radio talkers here and a sports tv reporter. Both have spoken privately and publicly about Ayton. The first issue is he sees himself as a star. A number one option like Embed/Jokic. He thinks the ball should be forced into him despite the fact he was surrounded by Booker, Paul, Bridges and a good shooting Cam Johnson. Second is he is addicted to video games. To the point he does not get proper rest/sleep. I am not sure if that habit has been broken, but as ridiculous as it sounds, it is/was true. Third, he and Monty Williams did not like each other for various reasons and Aytons fall back was to be a petulant child. It cost the Suns 30 point blow out losses in game six the past two playoffs. These are not my opinions, they are what have been reported here and conversations I have had with people around the Suns. Now, it seems the Suns are trying to determine if the new coach can get through to Ayton that with Booker and Durant, he is a third option. If not, they will trade him, and the return they want is very good veteran bench players. They want the depth they lost in the Durant deal. They were talking about Lillard on the local talker yesterday, but that is pie in the sky stuff centered around Ayton. Anything with Ayton is based on him accepting his role. Would he better as a veteran on a young, rebuilding team? I have no idea. Has he kicked the video habit? I have no idea. Will he continue to be a petulant child if he disagrees with the coach? Again, I have no idea.
 
BIG Q said:
Regarding Ayton, I have lived in Tempe for 20+ years now. I know one of the radio talkers here and a sports tv reporter. Both have spoken privately and publicly about Ayton. The first issue is he sees himself as a star. A number one option like Embed/Jokic. He thinks the ball should be forced into him despite the fact he was surrounded by Booker, Paul, Bridges and a good shooting Cam Johnson. Second is he is addicted to video games. To the point he does not get proper rest/sleep. I am not sure if that habit has been broken, but as ridiculous as it sounds, it is/was true. Third, he and Monty Williams did not like each other for various reasons and Aytons fall back was to be a petulant child. It cost the Suns 30 point blow out losses in game six the past two playoffs. These are not my opinions, they are what have been reported here and conversations I have had with people around the Suns. Now, it seems the Suns are trying to determine if the new coach can get through to Ayton that with Booker and Durant, he is a third option. If not, they will trade him, and the return they want is very good veteran bench players. They want the depth they lost in the Durant deal. They were talking about Lillard on the local talker yesterday, but that is pie in the sky stuff centered around Ayton. Anything with Ayton is based on him accepting his role. Would he better as a veteran on a young, rebuilding team? I have no idea. Has he kicked the video habit? I have no idea. Will he continue to be a petulant child if he disagrees with the coach? Again, I have no idea.
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That has been a troublesome issue. Hopefully he grows out of that for the good of his own career.
 
RR7 said:
Ayton missed 11 games his rookie season, then 35 games, 3, 24, and 15. He averages about 75% of a season. For an extra 15 million a season, we get what, exactly? An extra 8 -10 games maybe? And still inconsistent effort? That's a lot of $$ to spend in the hopes that he both stays healthy and "figures it out"
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Also. the season Ayton miss 35 games, 30 were a suspension for violating the banned substances policy. I have never heard what the substance was. There was speculation of the usual weed, molly or steroids. The other five, he rolled his ankle right after coming off of suspension. He did miss time catching covid also. He has not had a bad, severe or chronic issue. Not Oden/Roy like.
 
I know Ayton has a daughter now so there is talk of maturing, him, not her. But I hope she is maturing too.
 
blazedanugz said:
Are we really talking about a video game addiction…? What a degenerate!
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I have seen video game addictions ruin lives. Games like World of Warcraft have ended marriages, caused people to flunk out of college, and ignore their family and friends to the point of isolation. Some people play 12+ hours of video games a day. It's sadly not a joke.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I have seen video game addictions ruin lives. Games like World of Warcraft have ended marriages, caused people to flunk out of college, and ignore their family and friends to the point of isolation. Some people play 12+ hours of video games a day. It's sadly not a joke.
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I have trouble staying awake for 12 hours

I usually sleep-post to this fucking place
 
wizenheimer said:
I have trouble staying awake for 12 hours

I usually sleep-post to this fucking place
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Because you guys are a bunch of geezers. We are typically talking about people in their 20s who have these kinds of gaming addictions.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I have seen video game addictions ruin lives. Games like World of Warcraft have ended marriages, caused people to flunk out of college, and ignore their family and friends to the point of isolation. Some people play 12+ hours of video games a day. It's sadly not a joke.
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Especially when you have a huge salary, and can buy as many golden mystery boxes as you want, to turn your video game guys into invincible digital beasts.
 
Whyachi said:
Especially when you have a huge salary, and can buy as many golden mystery boxes as you want, to turn your video game guys into invincible digital beasts.
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That's the beauty of video games. You don't need a lot of money. $15 a month will get you on WoW where you can waste your life away.
 
Last call for Beal & Porzingus ?

we probably know the Wizards will want to start over around Kuzma. They canned their idiot GM and might be looking for picks and a tank.

What can the Blazers trade to get a swing for the fences former All-Star player from the Wizards?

It's a lot of salary swap, but either Beal or Porzingus is an upgrade for this Portland team, pending what players and picks are involved.
 
Whyachi said:
Last call for Beal & Porzingus ?

we probably know the Wizards will want to start over around Kuzma. They canned their idiot GM and might be looking for picks and a tank.

What can the Blazers trade to get a swing for the fences former All-Star player from the Wizards?

It's a lot of salary swap, but either Beal or Porzingus is an upgrade for this Portland team, pending what players and picks are involved.
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Beal is a hard no. Huge contract and basically CJ.
 
BigGameDamian said:
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I listened. Some guy doing a lot of begging to get the 3rd pick. Nothing the Bulls currently possess is worth the pick. He does an excellent job proving up Scoot making it much more so I don't want to trade the pick. Waste of time.
 
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I have a friend who covers the Suns on Youtube. Apparently he had Ayton's dad (he had random old videos with Ayton on the channel) comment something on an Ayton video along the lines of "Ayton's ego has caused a falling out with his own family" (paraphrasing). Coupled with the fact that this guy will lose sleep playing video gamed and hasn't improved in years, is in a KD contract and is softer mentally than dome people realize, that's not the type of guy to pay a max contract too, let alone trade assets for.
 
What about this deal to make Dame happy

Simons
Nurk
Knicks pick

for

Ayton

3
Little

For

Wagner
11

Dame
Sharpe
Wagner
Grant
Ayton

we won’t win anything, but we’ll have vets and guys Dame wants
 
SwissBlazer said:
https://theathletic.com/4598726/2023/06/10/miami-heat-nba-finals-damian-lillard-denver-nuggets/

I am furious to have paid to read such a bullshit article. Feel free to add some comments to it for those who have the access. After the Charania debacle on Payton and this crap, I tend more and more in the direction to cancel my subscription. It's a shame because I like this website but these clickbaits articles are boring.
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It's amazing how that whole Payton/Toradol story just up and disappeared as if it never was spoken the moment it turned out people from the Warriors end of things were lying. No action from the NBA about the Warriors slandering another team. No retraction from the overrated journalists that ran with the story. Nope. Just like a "just kidding," even though a bunch of casual fans still have the impression the Blazers have their players working in sweatshop conditions.
 
Mediocre Man said:
What about this deal to make Dame happy

Simons
Nurk
Knicks pick

for

Ayton

3
Little

For

Wagner
11

Dame
Sharpe
Wagner
Grant
Ayton

we won’t win anything, but we’ll have vets and guys Dame wants
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I think we would win a lot, I don't know that it puts us in contention. I do think that if you're giving up pick 23 that the Suns should have to give up Payne to backup Dame. I think if you are sending Little with pick 3 to the Magic you should also think of who we could get for 11 and the TPE... or maybe we just trade down from 11 to 21 and 22. We could probably take GG Jackson and Kris Murray.
 
Natebishop3 said:
@Tince you know what I like about you? We disagree often, but I don’t think I have even once seen you insult me or anyone else. You're always respectful and you usually can tell when I’m being facetious. I appreciate you!
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You're an idiot! Feel better now? :cheers:

I've been told I'm a POS by plenty here when we don't agree on a topic. Like it can be with you, my relentlessness of driving a point home can frustrate people, but I really don't dislike people here. Most importantly, I don't want the debate to shift to who is a bigger jerk between me and them because the facts are not in my favor AND this place is better when the topic is basketball related.

Speaking of which: Dame hasn't demanded a trade at this point, but he might in the future. There, it's settled!
 
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Tince said:
You're an idiot! Feel better now? :cheers:

I've been told I'm a POS by plenty here when we don't agree on a topic. Like it can be with you, my relentlessness of driving a point home can frustrate people, but I really don't dislike people here. Most importantly, I don't want the debate to shift to who is a bigger jerk between me and them because the facts are not in my favor AND this place is better when the topic is basketball related.

Speaking of which: Dame hasn't demanded a trade at this point, but he might in the future. There, it's settled!
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My biggest complaint about you is that you can be slippery like a politician. It’s hard to get you to commit!
 
BIG Q said:
I listened. Some guy doing a lot of begging to get the 3rd pick. Nothing the Bulls currently possess is worth the pick. He does an excellent job proving up Scoot making it much more so I don't want to trade the pick. Waste of time.
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To Chicago, i agree. I think the Blazers can get DeMar / pick reconciliation with that #23 and and maybe those 2nd rounders. They need Draft Capital. But for an All NBA wing , trading that 3rd makes way more sense. The Blazers need a true difference maker (Siakam, Bridges, Markkanen) in the frontcourt. Drafting Scoot is Neil Olshey Part Deux.
 
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