Dame and CJ

[BlazerCaravan]

Dame and CJ currently combine for 48.4 points a game on 46.5% shooting (42.6% 3Pt shooting). Even if we're at .500, the tandem seems strong.

 

[KingSpeed]

Dame and CJ currently combine for 48.4 points a game on 46.5% shooting (42.6% 3Pt shooting). Even if we're at .500, the tandem seems strong.

Definitely. It's so much more efficient than Dame/Aldridge. Even though, we've hit a hiccup and are 4-4, I still maintain we are better than last year.

 

[Blazinaway]

Definitely. It's so much more efficient than Dame/Aldridge. Even though, we've hit a hiccup and are 4-4, I still maintain we are better than last year.

I really don't think we are "better" in terms of ultimate wins/losses this year vs last. However I do think the style of play is better in the sense of matching our personnel and hopefully improving our playoff chances in the years ahead and for us fans enjoying that style of play. I also think not having LMA and having the ball stop there is better for Lillard and our overall offense in general. I think it's a matter of internal improvement and adding a few more key pieces thru trade/FA/draft. I really don't think we will make the playoffs this year but I can't rule it out, we have a very tough stretch of games ahead, that may tell us a lot more, lets wait for 20 games before try we make too many forecasts.

 

[Trackjack]

Yea wait 20 games before you make adjustment to the line up. You got Henderson coming back that might effect Crabbe but been playing good last couple game. You got Harkless that also been playing decent. Plus give them time to see if Dame and CJ will work out and I not really big on playing two small guard as starters. Lot teams have try it but not very successful. But we will see the thing is this coach shouldn't afraid to make change to see what works.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

Before the season, HCP said Lillard wouldn't play as well this year because all the defense would be focused on him with Aldridge not there. And yet, this season, Lillard has a career high PER of 26.4

No surprise here. We should be used to HCP being wrong.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So, just did a quick stat lookup regarding CJ/Dame's combined scoring this year. Currently, they're averaging a combined 45.8 ppg, which is basically their median as well--8 games combining for 45+, 8 games under 45 combined.

In the 8 games in which they've broken the 45 point plateau, we're 7-1
In the 8 games in which they've combined for under 45 points, we're 0-8

 

[Natebishop3]

So, just did a quick stat lookup regarding CJ/Dame's combined scoring this year. Currently, they're averaging a combined 45.8 ppg, which is basically their median as well--8 games combining for 45+, 8 games under 45 combined.

In the 8 games in which they've broken the 45 point plateau, we're 7-1
In the 8 games in which they've combined for under 45 points, we're 0-8

Yup. It's either feast or famine. That just shows the lack of scoring on our team.

 

[julius]

So, just did a quick stat lookup regarding CJ/Dame's combined scoring this year. Currently, they're averaging a combined 45.8 ppg, which is basically their median as well--8 games combining for 45+, 8 games under 45 combined.

In the 8 games in which they've broken the 45 point plateau, we're 7-1
In the 8 games in which they've combined for under 45 points, we're 0-8

Good work there Platypus. I think this shows the team is 3rd solid score away from being a middle of the road playoff team, and 1 17-23 ppg scorer from being a really good team.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yup. It's either feast or famine. That just shows the lack of scoring on our team.

Exactly. There can be no debate that we need a third scorer, whether developed, drafted, traded, or signed.

 

[Natebishop3]

Exactly. There can be no debate that we need a third scorer, whether developed, drafted, traded, or signed.

At this point, I wouldn't even be picky, but ideally a really solid power forward would be nice. Or maybe Cousins

 

[PtldPlatypus]

At this point, I wouldn't even be picky, but ideally a really solid power forward would be nice. Or maybe Cousins

Of course, Leonard was supposed to emerge this year as the third scorer. Maybe Plums will get more looks as the season progresses.

 

[Natebishop3]

Of course, Leonard was supposed to emerge this year as the third scorer. Maybe Plums will get more looks as the season progresses.

I really like Plumlee, but I don't really see him as a third guy. If he had a really solid mid-range shot or something, maybe.

Actually, what we need is a #2 scorer, because honestly I think CJ is too streaky to be the number two. He's an awesome number three. He's the Wes Matthews in this equation, but a much better all-around scorer than Wes.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I really like Plumlee, but I don't really see him as a third guy. If he had a really solid mid-range shot or something, maybe.

Actually, what we need is a #2 scorer, because honestly I think CJ is too streaky to be the number two. He's an awesome number three. He's the Wes Matthews in this equation, but a much better all-around scorer than Wes.

Streaky? CJ has actually been very consistent so far. He's had 4 games over 25 pts, and every other game has been between 15-21. He's had just two games below 38% FG. I'll take that kind of streaky any day.

 

[Natebishop3]

Streaky? CJ has actually been very consistent so far. He's had 4 games over 25 pts, and every other game has been between 15-21. He's had just two games below 38% FG. I'll take that kind of streaky any day.

Streaky wasn't the right word. Experienced? I'd like to get a #2 guy who I know can put up 20+ points a night. We lost Aldridge and we still need to replace that production. How does CJ compare to Wes when Wes was ripping shit up?

 

[Tunchi]

Streaky? CJ has actually been very consistent so far. He's had 4 games over 25 pts, and every other game has been between 15-21. He's had just two games below 38% FG. I'll take that kind of streaky any day.

He's waaaaaaaay more consistent than Dame.. Lillard's the streaky one.. If anything Cj needs to shoot more than Dame does

 

[Natebishop3]

He's waaaaaaaay more consistent than Dame.. Lillard's the streaky one.. If anything Cj needs to shoot more than Dame does

Never pass up a good opportunity to bash on Lillard, am I right?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Streaky wasn't the right word. Experienced? I'd like to get a #2 guy who I know can put up 20+ points a night. We lost Aldridge and we still need to replace that production. How does CJ compare to Wes when Wes was ripping shit up?

Scoring and shooting wise, he's comparable or better; he's as efficient (PER-wise), but not as potent (ORtg/DRtg-wise). But versus last season Wes, he's giving us 5.5 points per 100 possessions more, but giving up 3 points per 100 possessions more... but still that nets out to 3.5 points per 100 possessions (or about 2.5 points per game) better.

 

[Natebishop3]

Scoring and shooting wise, he's comparable or better; he's as efficient (PER-wise), but not as potent (ORtg/DRtg-wise). But versus last season Wes, he's giving us 5.5 points per 100 possessions more, but giving up 3 points per 100 possessions more... but still that nets out to 3.5 points per 100 possessions (or about 2.5 points per game) better.

I think he's a much better all-around scorer. Defensively we know he tries, but he's nowhere near as good as Wes. Still, I think CJ is a perfect third scorer. Now if we could just pry Cousins away from Sacramento.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I think he's a much better all-around scorer. Defensively we know he tries, but he's nowhere near as good as Wes. Still, I think CJ is a perfect third scorer. Now if we could just pry Cousins away from Sacramento.

Yeah, it just hit me that we're playing about like you'd expect for last year's team if LaMarcus was out. We have a first and third scorer working their asses off to hold down the fort while we wait for our injured player to return... in this case, we just need to get Neil to sign him.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeah, it just hit me that we're playing about like you'd expect for last year's team if LaMarcus was out. We have a first and third scorer working their asses off to hold down the fort while we wait for our injured player to return... in this case, we just need to get Neil to sign him.

Or draft him...... or trade for him.....

 

[BlazerWookee]

Damn that looks awful!

God, I loved that show when I was a kid. Sheriff Lobo, Deputy Perkins...

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Or draft him...... or trade for him.....

We're probably too competitive to draft him... but trades are Neil's speciality.

 

[julius]

this isn't true.

He's waaaaaaaay more consistent than Dame.. Lillard's the streaky one.. If anything Cj needs to shoot more than Dame does

Actually, no.

In games over 45% FG shooting, its 6 to 8. In favor of Damian.

In games over 40% from 3, it's 7 to 8. In favor of Damian.

Neither one is more consistent than the other, and CJ is not "waaaaaaaay" more consistent than Damian.

 

[Natebishop3]

this isn't true.

Actually, no.

In games over 45% FG shooting, its 6 to 8. In favor of Damian.

In games over 40% from 3, it's 7 to 8. In favor of Damian.

Neither one is more consistent than the other, and CJ is not "waaaaaaaay" more consistent than Damian.

But those stats don't fit his narrative so he'll choose to ignore them.

 

[handiman]

this isn't true.

Actually, no.

In games over 45% FG shooting, its 6 to 8. In favor of Damian.

In games over 40% from 3, it's 7 to 8. In favor of Damian.

Neither one is more consistent than the other, and CJ is not "waaaaaaaay" more consistent than Damian.

How does that disprove streaky-ness? All that shows is that Dame has had more hot games, which actually proves streaky-ness more than disproves it.

 

[Natebishop3]

How does that disprove streaky-ness? All that shows is that Dame has had more hot games, which actually proves streaky-ness more than disproves it.

Because if you have enough hot games, it stops being "streaky" and starts being "consistency."

 

[julius]

How does that disprove streaky-ness? All that shows is that Dame has had more hot games, which actually proves streaky-ness more than disproves it.

I'd say the fact that CJ has as many games under 45% (basically) as damian does, it proves they're both streaky.

 

[handiman]

Because if you have enough hot games, it stops being "streaky" and starts being "consistency."

Not if the average ends up being similar. That's sort of the definition of streaky, isn't it?

I'd say the fact that CJ has as many games under 45% (basically) as damian does, it proves they're both streaky.

That's reasonable on the surface, but CJ has better percentages despite fewer high-percentage games so far this season. (I don't count anything prior to the Memphis series, as that was his coming out party.) That sounds to me like he's a lot less streaky.

CJ 2 pt % = 0.459, 3 pt % = 0.391
Dame 2 pt % = 0.420, 3 pt % = 0.360

Also worth pointing out, both numbers are trending up for CJ this year vs career averages, while both are trending down for Dame.

 

[riverman]

Also worth noting here when talking CJ and Dame..Dame has been well scouted and gets the double team ..CJ can still take defenses by surprise and benefit from the attention they give Lillard. CJ is playing great but he's not as high on scouting reports as Dame is.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I'd say the fact that CJ has as many games under 45% (basically) as damian does, it proves they're both streaky.

You put CJ or Dame on Cleveland and I am pretty confident that they won't look so streaky. They have to carry the offense this year. It takes a toll on stats. This discussion was inevitable though. I even posted before the season started that we would all get too caught up on their shooting stats......and that we shouldn't.