Dame asks for trade (And there it is)

[barfo]

An asset is only worth what people are willing to pay for it, and that is dictated by the market.

How big of a market is there for a 33 year old 6'3 point guard who doesn't play defense and is being paid a shit ton of money?

Three more years of Dame is three fewer years of Scoot starting at point guard. That makes no sense if the plan is to rebuild. The team has to weigh all the factors, which includes the impact on the young guys.

In a vacuum, you have something you want to sell/trade, you know how much you want to get for that asset, and you get what you want. Unfortunately it doesn't always work that way. If there aren't many people interested in your asset, that limits your options on what you can get for it. Even if your asset is worth more, if you don't have time to wait for a better offer, sometimes you have to take what you can get. My gas oven has been sitting in my garage for three weeks because nobody has made an offer. I keep lowering the price. Eventually I will hit a price that someone is willing to pay. I could keep it at a price and just wait for as long as it takes to get someone, but I don't need that oven anymore and I want it out of my garage. So I keep lowering the price.

At some point, it's not worth the headache anymore, and it makes sense to just take it to the dump rather than let the 33 year old asset continue to take up space.

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

My response is that you have no idea how effective that backcourt would be.

Did you think Magic Johnson and Norm Nixon would work? That backcourt won 2 championships in 3 seasons.
Did you think James Harden and Chris Paul would work? That backcourt won a franchise-high 65 games and nearly took out the Warriors in the WC finals.

Lillard is a very high-level talent. Scoot at least will be the best passer and ball handler on the team.
It would be dumb not to play them together and see how it works out.

Hmmmm intersting comparisons...

You mean 6'9 Magic Johnson and 6'2 Norm Nixon?

Also, 6'5 James Harden and 6'0 Chris Paul?

So you think two 6'3 point guards are the same thing?

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

No, it's not "almost a certainty."

After watching last season, your conclusion seems nearly ridiculous.

Even after losing their main bench veteran, Justise Winslow, the Blazers were 1 game under .500 in early February.

Nurkic only played 2 minutes in the month of February on February 1st.

On February 5th, the Blazers were 1 game out of the 8th seed, 1.5 games out of the 7th and 6th seed, 2 games out of the 5th seed, and 2.5 games out of the 4th seed.

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This is the box score on February 1st. I think the current roster should be better than that one.

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A healthy and engaged Nurk is critical for any hope of winning games this season.

 

[Strenuus]

I'm not impatient about it, but is anyone else just over all this? Like I just stopped caring about the whole situation lol

 

[Blazinaway]

I'm not impatient about it, but is anyone else just over all this? Like I just stopped caring about the whole situation lol

Yeah, pretty much in same place

 

[BIG Q]

Can we all please stop saying Dame has three more years please? He has a player option for a fourth year at $63,228,828. He will be opting in on that. At age 37 nobody will be offering him more than that for that season. He has four seasons on his contract. That is all.

 

[inconceivable]

I guess I'm confused why you quoted me saying Barnes would be a good centerpiece to a Dame deal by mentioning we already have PROSPECTS, we need a :EGIT 4/5, and then go on to list Barnes as a legit 4/5?

Also seems silly to have quoted me in such a way, and then list Hendricks, Walker, Eason, Sochan when those guys are nothing but potential at this point.

I pushed the wrong button. I meant to reply to the post you replied to.

I meant to reply to this post:

"as for Jovic/Jaquez, that we're even debating their value in a Dame trade shows how shitty a Miami trade would be"

We want Barnes-level, not Jovic/Jacquez because they just have similar level potential as Kris and Rayan. Barnes is more proven than them all.

 

[Propagandist]

The Blazers (as currently constructed) aren't a top-8 team with Lillard. That's almost a certainty.

I think you’re mistaken.

 

[Natebishop3]

Can we all please stop saying Dame has three more years please? He has a player option for a fourth year at $63,228,828. He will be opting in on that. At age 37 nobody will be offering him more than that for that season. He has four seasons on his contract. That is all.

Dame said on the JJ Redick podcast that he has 3-4 more years at a high level. We're not talking contract. We're talking production.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I think you’re mistaken.

That's ok. I'd love to be wrong. But I don't see this summer's very young additions making the team any better than last year's version.

 

[BIG Q]

Dame said on the JJ Redick podcast that he has 3-4 more years at a high level. We're not talking contract. We're talking production.

Yes, that may be. But after those 3-4 years of high level production he will have 3 years of reliable old vet and sniper offensive player. This is not his last contract. Just his last huge contract.

 

[Propagandist]

That's ok. I'd love to be wrong. But I don't see this summer's very young additions making the team any better than last year's version.

When Dame, Nurk, and Jerami played we were over .500. Parity and injuries got us. But add the phenom Scoot and we are unguardable…

 

[BIG Q]

I just don't see Scoot, Murray or Rupert wanting to play with Dame for one day, one month, one season let alone four seasons. Dame disrespected them by saying publicly he had no interest in bringing along a 19 year old again. Yes, I realize Murray is 23, but he is a rookie. Everyone knows what Dame meant. I do not buy in to the fantasy that Dame will do a 180 and embrace this team. I don't want him speaking ill to the other teams. His scorched earth stance indicates that is what he would do. Trade him or let him sit on the beach until he is traded.

 

[THE HCP]

17 pages to go!

‘Til what?

 

[THE HCP]

So this is the week Dame has always had guys report to the PF to start getting in some runs…..wonder who will take over that responsibility?

 

[Strenuus]

So this is the week Dame has always had guys report to the PF to start getting in some runs…..wonder who will take over that responsibility?

Chauncey?

 

[Eastoff]

Chauncey?

That breaks contracts or something.

 

[HailBlazers]

Sc00t.

 

[riverman]

So this is the week Dame has always had guys report to the PF to start getting in some runs…..wonder who will take over that responsibility?

Last I checked he's still under contract....it's his responsibility to either step up or blow it off...next man up pay wise is Jerami..then Ant..then Nurk...then Matisse. Of that group I'd say Jerami would be the alpha.

 

[BankTeller]

I pushed the wrong button. I meant to reply to the post you replied to.

I meant to reply to this post:

"as for Jovic/Jaquez, that we're even debating their value in a Dame trade shows how shitty a Miami trade would be"

We want Barnes-level, not Jovic/Jacquez because they just have similar level potential as Kris and Rayan. Barnes is more proven than them all.

Right now I’m hoping Toronto plays themselves into a position where they would bet big on Dame.

Outside of Barnes, who would for sure be in the trade, Achiuwa and Koloko are also interesting players.

 

[blazerfan11]

I just don't see Scoot, Murray or Rupert wanting to play with Dame for one day, one month, one season let alone four seasons. Dame disrespected them by saying publicly he had no interest in bringing along a 19 year old again. Yes, I realize Murray is 23, but he is a rookie. Everyone knows what Dame meant. I do not buy in to the fantasy that Dame will do a 180 and embrace this team. I don't want him speaking ill to the other teams. His scorched earth stance indicates that is what he would do. Trade him or let him sit on the beach until he is traded.

Players don't have to be best buddies to win games.

 

[Whyachi]

When Dame, Nurk, and Jerami played we were over .500. Parity and injuries got us. But add the phenom Scoot and we are unguardable…

Cronin stacked injury prone players in Portland, then crossed his fingers hoping injury prone players wouldn't get injured. That's bad GM'ing. Maybe bad with a purpose? The #3 pick in the lottery, then scaring the freshly minted supermax contract All-Star into a trade request, only confirms this bad on purpose strategy was successful.

 

[BankTeller]

So this is the week Dame has always had guys report to the PF to start getting in some runs…..wonder who will take over that responsibility?

According to the laws of succession, I’m pretty sure that responsibility belongs to Keljin now.

 

[BIG Q]

Players don't have to be best buddies to win games.

Pretty sure that is not the first impression of the Portland Trailblazers management wants to show Scoot. They may not have to be best buddies, but there has to be respect. Dame did not show respect to the new members of the team. Pretty sure Dame would have some fence mending to do not just with players but the entire organization. He stabbed them in the back with the scorched earth campaign. That is fine. He can stay home if he is not traded by the start of camp. The purpose of a team is that all members are striving for the same goal and sacrifice in various manners to achieve said goal. I do not envision Lillard sacrificing anything for the betterment of the team. It is his way or the highway. Unfortunately the highway Lillard chose is narrow and covered in potholes. He might want to change his route. But I doubt it. I am sure he has cleaned out his locker at the PF. Hell, with the new guys someone new might have his old locker for all we know. I have no idea of course. Plausible though. As he said, he has to be loyal to himself.

 

[robson]

Players don't have to be best buddies to win games.

Oh, wait, isn't that statement against Blazers culture?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Dame has limited being traded to one team.
Answer this question: What motivation does that team have to give up anything significant that may affect winning in the upcoming season?

Do you think making a trade with Miami right now is the best course of action?

Yes. But you never answered my question. What are the assets?

Are they

Lowry
Herro
Picks (how many? Protected?)

or

Jovic
Jaquez
Herro
Picks (how many? Protected?)

Neither are great, but one is better. We have no idea what the offer is

 

[Mediocre Man]

You are assuming Scoot and Dame can't start in the backcourt.
Why?
Scoot's bigger than McCollum and Simons. He's 6' 3 1/2" and solid as a rock.

CJ and Ant are an inch taller than Scoot

 

[blazerfan11]

CJ and Ant are an inch taller than Scoot

Not true.
Both CJ and Anfernee Simons measured 6' 2.25" without shoes.
Joe Cronin said Scoot measured 6' 2.5" without shoes.

 

[blazerfan11]

Yes. But you never answered my question. What are the assets?

Are they

Lowry
Herro
Picks (how many? Protected?)

or

Jovic
Jaquez
Herro
Picks (how many? Protected?)

Neither are great, but one is better. We have no idea what the offer is

No, we have no idea what the offer is.
But we know what Miami's assets are, and any offer is limited to that.
Those assets aren't enough to make a deal now.

 

[Mediocre Man]

No, we have no idea what the offer is.
But we know what Miami's assets are, and any offer is limited to that.
Those assets aren't enough to make a deal now.

Depends on how good you think Jovic is going to be