Dame asks for trade (And there it is)

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blazerfan11 said:
You are assuming Scoot and Dame can't start in the backcourt.
Why?
Scoot's bigger than McCollum and Simons. He's 6' 3 1/2" and solid as a rock.
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To your point, Scoot is solid. Ideally, we want Sharpe guarding SGs, but Scoot does weigh 14 pounds more than Ant. (Both have a solid 6'9" wing span) So weight-wise he is almost the same as Sharpe and Thybulle....and he might be stronger. Not that it is the only thing that matters when playing defense.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Let's say I have season tickets, but I need to move away from Portland. There's 15 games left in the season and I want to sell those 15 games. Would you say that I have a limited time to sell them for any value before they're worthless? And as the season wears down, the value that I can extract from those tickets will continue to go down?
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Interesting question. I have season tickets. Watching Dame makes it worth the price of admission. Everyone says they like to watch the new talent develop, but not many people want to pay money to watch a team tank.

I'm not in support of additional tanking. A team full of new kids is too risky for me. Balance. We have some solid pieces in place. Grant is a solid starter. Simons is a solid starter. Nurk, not bad. Thybulle looks like a solid 6th man. After that we have Sharpe and Scoot that will hopefully be blossoming in solid starters (if not more) over the next couple of years.

If the only return on a Dame trade is salary filler and young unproven players and late 1st round picks - pass.

If the Blazers can get at least 1 solid starter from the Dame trade, and 1 nice young talent (along with a few picks), I think that team is in win mode now, with upside in the future. That makes the price of the tickets more valuable.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
To your point, Scoot is solid. Ideally, we want Sharpe guarding SGs, but Scoot does weigh 14 pounds more than Ant. (Both have a solid 6'9" wing span) So weight-wise he is almost the same as Sharpe and Thybulle....and he might be stronger. Not that it is the only thing that matters when playing defense.
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In his summer league game, 6'7" Amen Thompson drove into Scoot's chest and bounced right off him. Scoot's body stayed where it was.

Scoot is much wider than any guard on the team. You know when we meet most NBA players who are guards, we notice how slim they are.
Not Scoot. He's much wider than Shaedon Sharpe. He's the Cam Whitmore of point guards.
 
42N8Bounce said:
Interesting question. I have season tickets. Watching Dame makes it worth the price of admission. Everyone says they like to watch the new talent develop, but not many people want to pay money to watch a team tank.

I'm not in support of additional tanking. A team full of new kids is too risky for me. Balance. We have some solid pieces in place. Grant is a solid starter. Simons is a solid starter. Nurk, not bad. Thybulle looks like a solid 6th man. After that we have Sharpe and Scoot that will hopefully be blossoming in solid starters (if not more) over the next couple of years.

If the only return on a Dame trade is salary filler and young unproven players and late 1st round picks - pass.

If the Blazers can get at least 1 solid starter from the Dame trade, and 1 nice young talent (along with a few picks), I think that team is in win mode now, with upside in the future. That makes the price of the tickets more valuable.
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I would love to see what Scoot and Dame can do together.
Some people said CJ was redundant with Dame. Some people said the same thing about Anfernee Simons. Ball movement was never ideal.

Nobody is going to say Scoot is a redundant player with Dame on the floor.

Then there's the defense thing. Scoot is super athletic and built like a tank. People need to stop looking at height and give Scoot a chance.
He certainly has the ability to be as good on defense as someone like Brandon Roy, whom nobody would complain about, because, well, he's taller!
 
42N8Bounce said:
Interesting question. I have season tickets. Watching Dame makes it worth the price of admission. Everyone says they like to watch the new talent develop, but not many people want to pay money to watch a team tank.

I'm not in support of additional tanking. A team full of new kids is too risky for me. Balance. We have some solid pieces in place. Grant is a solid starter. Simons is a solid starter. Nurk, not bad. Thybulle looks like a solid 6th man. After that we have Sharpe and Scoot that will hopefully be blossoming in solid starters (if not more) over the next couple of years.

If the only return on a Dame trade is salary filler and young unproven players and late 1st round picks - pass.

If the Blazers can get at least 1 solid starter from the Dame trade, and 1 nice young talent (along with a few picks), I think that team is in win mode now, with upside in the future. That makes the price of the tickets more valuable.
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That's not what I meant. It's not about Dame being or not being on the team. I'm using season tickets as an example of a resource that only has value for a limited amount of time.
 
Natebishop3 said:
That's not what I meant. It's not about Dame being or not being on the team. I'm using season tickets as an example of a resource that only has value for a limited amount of time.
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For me it's important that Dame is now playing the best basketball of his career. He didn't plateau at 28 and stay there.
I believe Cronin may have lucked into adding more talent than Dame has ever played with.
Unless the Blazers could acquire someone like Mikal Bridges in a trade, I would really like to see what all this talent can do together.
People talk about redundancies and roster imbalance, but those same people never mention DEPTH.
Depth was the big killer last season.
Dame had no superstar teammates on his most successful roster in 2019, but it had Depth.
The 2023-24 team should at least have good depth.
If Scoot and Sharpe play like they are capable of, we're talking about a better roster than the one in 2019.

Some people are stuck on last season's record, which as a measuring stick of where the team fits in the conference, is nonsense.
 
Dame's True Shooting % , comparing 2018-19 and last season.

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Dame's True Shooting percentages in the playoffs:

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blazerfan11 said:
Depth at center could be a problem, or might not be a problem.
Depends on Nurkic's health and what additions are made before the season starts.
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The fact that we didn't use our MLE yet and probably won't and the fact that our only signing of a big was Moses Brown tells you that Joe isn't thinking along the same lines as you are. We aren't trying to put together a competitive roster. We're gathering assets (picks and prospects). I would imagine that once Dame is traded we will see Jerami and probably Nurk featured a lot until the trade deadline when we will likely try to acquire more assets for them.
 
riverman said:
Last I checked he's still under contract....it's his responsibility to either step up or blow it off...next man up pay wise is Jerami..then Ant..then Nurk...then Matisse. Of that group I'd say Jerami would be the alpha.
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But he’s not an alpha, neither is Ant or Nurk. Gonna be an interesting season FAMS.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Not true.
Both CJ and Anfernee Simons measured 6' 2.25" without shoes.
Joe Cronin said Scoot measured 6' 2.5" without shoes.
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Not sure what’s worse, you are arguing 5 TENTHS of an inch on a nerd forum, or you got 2 potato-heads to agree with you. HA!
 
blazerfan11 said:
Dame's True Shooting percentages in the playoffs:
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the playoffs suck. Watching all those teams playing hard and trying to win is totally laim. It's more fun watching Portland get completely wailed on during the regular season, then actively lose games on purpose to draft the best possible rookie.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Yes. But you never answered my question. What are the assets?

Are they

Lowry
Herro
Picks (how many? Protected?)

or

Jovic
Jaquez
Herro
Picks (how many? Protected?)

Neither are great, but one is better. We have no idea what the offer is
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Can we fairly presume that these or something in line with these is the offer, though, since that's what the Heat have to work with and it's what most media sources have been citing/speculating as what the Heat are offering?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Depth at center has BEEN a problem for several years.
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The stealth tank needs a key to start the engine. Not having big defenders to stop the onslaught of chippies, getting outmuscled in rebound battles, is a sneaky way to lose a bunch of games.
 
THE HCP said:
But he’s not an alpha, neither is Ant or Nurk. Gonna be an interesting season FAMS.
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@THE HCP He's a Lamarcus alpha on this squad...Scoot is rookie Dame playing with Lamarcus (Grant)..the quiet vet. I'm going on paycheck. When you're called to be that guy, you're paid to step up. Scoot will take the alpha role probably as soon as next season but this season...they'll huddle around Grant....see who Mark Mason calls out last on the starting roster for home games...that's the guy.
 
PCmor7 said:
Can we fairly presume that these or something in line with these is the offer, though, since that's what the Heat have to work with and it's what most media sources have been citing/speculating as what the Heat are offering?
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I don’t care what you guys do.
 
Imagine Scoot, Sharpe/Ant, Thybulle/Rupert, Grant/Murray with a top-notch, young center gained in a Dame trade.

If Cronin could do that, he should get some kind of Harry Potter wizardry award. That would be close to scary black magic.

That is why the Blazers have to be patient. The reward could be mind-blowing.

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PCmor7 said:
Then why even reply to it and come off with an attitude in doing so?
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No attitude here. I simply asked a legitimate question. Conversation if you will. It’s a tricky thing to grasp on a forum where people talk, so I’m here to help if needed
 
blazerfan11 said:
a top-notch, young center
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Can you be more specific? These are "centers" (as defined by NBA.com...) 25 and younger, over 6-10, sorted by MPG.

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Mediocre Man said:
No attitude here. I simply asked a legitimate question. Conversation if you will. It’s a tricky thing to grasp on a forum where people talk, so I’m here to help if needed
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Nope, no attitude here…
 
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