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TheGoldRanger said:
I feel like we already have that do it all wing in Deni. Deni is really good. Maybe not quite a super star but there’s probably only a handful of other guys in the NBA I would take over Deni all things considered.
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you can probably find someone 20% better than Deni at 200% his salary
 
TheGoldRanger said:
I feel like we already have that do it all wing in Deni. Deni is really good. Maybe not quite a super star but there’s probably only a handful of other guys in the NBA I would take over Deni all things considered.
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That’s fair. But as we’ve seen, teams can never have enough wings who do everything. Maybe we don’t need a superstar, maybe we can rely on internal growth from Deni to be that guy and just find one or two guys who can really play the 3-D role. As it stands though, I still don’t see him as a superstar talent. I still project him to be a better Ginobili, which is already very high praise.
 
TBpup said:
That is a LOT to rehab. That is why I question, if they were going to spend the money, sign Dame to the Vet Min, bring him home, he will still get tons of money, and then sign a player that can additionally help. He has an opt-out as soon as he isn't making $70,000,000 per season.

I don't think anyone is against Dame coming back, but there is reasonable, responsible, logical things to deal with when it comes to the finances.
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That's where I am on this, too.
 
julius said:
I think people are delusional if they think that the team could have signed him for vet min.
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Exactly. While I think every player wants to win, it is still their profession. Would anyone work for 1M less, let alone 10M?

We had a parade planned for Hedo signing and should be happy that we are making good use of our MLE. Definitely the best signing we have had since Miller.
 
BankTeller said:
Honestly, can you ask for a better result to the Dame deal?

- Dame nets us Camara, Avdija, 2 unprotected 1sts, and 2 unprotected pick swaps as the most notable pieces coming back—in hindsight, a solid deal for an aging star

- He comes home for a very team friendly deal, and best of all, will not be needed. The goal should be to play up Holiday’s value, trade him for a 1st, then bring Dame back as the backup PG for the next two seasons. I don’t ever expect Dame, Scoot, and Holiday to all play in a game together.

Team construction-wise, there’s really only one thing we need left, finding that superstar do-it-at wing.
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You put this better than I would have. I’m excited that he’s back. He is a franchise legend and he loves it here. One of the better leaders we have ever had.

that being said, the basketball part of it all could get complicated. He’s been a starter since day one and never looked back. Now we have a young core that really should be developed and it seemed like we didn’t have that until this season. Dame not playing will be great so we can really give the reigns to Scoot and Shae and then go forth with a different direction if needed.

Ideally, Scoot breaks out this year and Dame is around to mentor him through it all along with Jrue. Dame comes back in 26-27 to be super sub with a green light as I just can’t see him coming back to anything more than 70% of what he was. I hope he proves me wrong, but history is not on his side.
 
TBpup said:
That is a LOT to rehab. That is why I question, if they were going to spend the money, sign Dame to the Vet Min, bring him home, he will still get tons of money, and then sign a player that can additionally help. He has an opt-out as soon as he isn't making $70,000,000 per season.

I don't think anyone is against Dame coming back, but there is reasonable, responsible, logical things to deal with when it comes to the finances.
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My guess, Cronin paid him as an apology and Dame doesn't believe they can win the Championship.
 
Tince said:
Wasn't Eric screaming at Cronin and crying when they traded Dame?

Now we get him back for $0.20 on the dollar, plus assets and he's not happy? Geeze.
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Exactly. Part of me feels it's their schtick. They play one side against the other for clicks. Then the other part thinks they actually are this out of sync.
 
dviss1 said:
Cronin had no clue that was going to happen. He got lucky.
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I am absolutely all for letting you have your opinion. On this subject you are not alone about Joe Cronin.

However I tagged that sentence because I'm wondering how you know this? You can say nobody knew that Lillard would get injured but after that injury there was obviously some consideration that team as assembled was going to change.
 
kjironman1 said:
Exactly. Part of me feels it's their schtick. They play one side against the other for clicks. Then the other part thinks they actually are this out of sync.
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Welcome to the 24/7 news cycle, where everything in engagement farming and everyone's opinion (fake or otherwise) is monetized.
 
I'm not happy about it unless Dame is coming back as more of a mentor than player. I liked the idea of a roster with no weak links on defense and that just won't be the case with him in the rotation.

I also don't want to go back to a slow pace that is last in the league in fast breaks and assists.
 
AngryFan said:
I'm not happy about it unless Dame is coming back as more of a mentor than player. I liked the idea of a roster with no weak links on defense and that just won't be the case with him in the rotation.

I also don't want to go back to a slow pace that is last in the league in fast breaks and assists.
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Yeah, he will need to adjust to their different style of play. But he will have almost a full year to watch it from the bench. One possible lineup off the bench would be playing next to Deni, Jrue, Tou, and Clingan.
 
LayneStaley said:
Maybe I was looking at his extension, I thought he got a 2/135 deal or something crazy like that.
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several players have signed extensions that will pay them 60-70M in a salary. SGA will make 61M in 2027-28; and 66M the following season with a 71M salary the year after that

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but next season, Dame's apparent double-dipping leads the pack
 

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BonesJones said:
We're worried about extending Avdija in 2028 when the cap may be $200M because the Blazers gave Dame $14M a year ending in 2028?

I'm sorry but I don't follow.
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then you should pay attention more.

There have been discussion(s) lasting more than a year about using cap-space to extend Avdija before he becomes UFA in 2028. The only real chance Portland could have sufficient cap-space was 2026-27. It was a pretty small chance and the Blazers would have had to restrain themselves (and risk Camara becoming UFA in 2026); but that chance is gone after adding Dame's MLE deal

I think it's always been inevitable Deni will be UFA in 2028. His contract is way too awkward. The more immediate issue is a Camara extension. I kind of expected it to happen this summer, but simmer isn't over
 
wizenheimer said:
I sure wish the Blazers could have kept Hart. All-time hustle player
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He follows a weird pattern though, and Knick fans are now seeing it. He arrives somewhere and he is a good shooter and he shoots a good volume. And then he just……. Stops.

I love everything about Hart except for his weird aversion to shooting.
 
wizenheimer said:
then you should pay attention more.

There have been discussion(s) lasting more than a year about using cap-space to extend Avdija before he becomes UFA in 2028. The only real chance Portland could have sufficient cap-space was 2026-27. It was a pretty small chance and the Blazers would have had to restrain themselves (and risk Camara becoming UFA in 2026); but that chance is gone after adding Dame's MLE deal

I think it's always been inevitable Deni will be UFA in 2028. His contract is way too awkward. The more immediate issue is a Camara extension. I kind of expected it to happen this summer, but simmer isn't over
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Do you have something youre referencing that you could share? The extension wouldnt just take place starting in 2028? They have Bird Rights so they wouldnt need cap space? Really confused about this so would like to see where its coming from.
 
AngryFan said:
I'm not happy about it unless Dame is coming back as more of a mentor than player. I liked the idea of a roster with no weak links on defense and that just won't be the case with him in the rotation.

I also don't want to go back to a slow pace that is last in the league in fast breaks and assists.
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ROFL imagine being unhappy about getting the greatest player your franchise has ever seen on an mle while fleecing Toumani, Deni, Jrue Holiday and 3 MIL picks post Giannis
 
BonesJones said:
Do you have something youre referencing that you could share? The extension wouldnt just take place starting in 2028? They have Bird Rights so they wouldnt need cap space? Really confused about this so would like to see where its coming from.
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He’s saying that we could have potentially had the cap space to offer Deni an extension sooner, but now we won’t so we have to let him go to UFA in 2028. Yes we will bird rights, but he can leave.

The goal was to hopefully sign him before he goes to UFA. Only way to do that before 2028 was if we had cap space, which we now won’t have, because of the nature of his contract.
 
Natebishop3 said:
He’s saying that we could have potentially had the cap space to offer Deni an extension sooner, but now we won’t so we have to let him go to UFA in 2028. Yes we will bird rights, but he can leave.

The goal was to hopefully sign him before he goes to UFA. Only way to do that before 2028 was if we had cap space, which we now won’t have, because of the nature of his contract.
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... can't you still sign an extension ahead of that season just like all these other teams do?
 
BonesJones said:
... can't you still sign an extension ahead of that season just like all these other teams do?
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Yes but because he is a descending contract and he’s making peanuts right now, extensions are based on a percentage of what you’re already making. So they can’t offer him even close to what he would get in 2028 on the open market.
 
wizenheimer said:
because of Deni's existing contract

in order to give Deni and extension, the Blazers could pay him 140% of the final guaranteed year of his deal. The final year salary is 11.875M

meaning, the max the Blazers could pay Deni is 16.6M in base salary in 2028-29. Now they might be able to use the MLE to sign him, but that would be around 17M by then, maybe a little higher. Keep in mind that a max salary that season for a player of Deni's experience would be 60M

the only way the Blazers could have given Deni, say, a 40M/year deal is to have that much in cap-space
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Ah just read this. Didn't know this was a rule.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yes but because he is a descending contract and he’s making peanuts right now, extensions are based on a percentage of what you’re already making. So they can’t offer him even close to what he would get in 2028 on the open market.
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But this doesnt apply to rookie extensions so that's the post that's confusing to me. Is this a non-rookie contract extension thing?
 
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