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SlyPokerDog said:
Last year Dame was doing what Dame had done many years before, drag a shit roster to the playoffs. Something was said to make him not do that again. He agreed. That's what is not being discussed because if it were, I'm guessing, the league would step in a fine the shit out of the Blazers and take away draft picks.
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False. Mavs blatantly admitted it and much worse than PDX by throwing games to make the playin. No loss of picks and a small fine.

Going forward this may never happen as there's new rules against it. But those rules weren't in effect last season.
 
wizenheimer said:
what I think is likely:

Portland was outraged by the actions of Dame's agent. And I'm convinced Portland believed Pat Riley was involved in the architecture of the 'Miami-or-Bust' position Goodwin promoted. Accordingly, I think the Blazers simply cut-off any discussions in a back-channel 'fuck-you-guys-no-way-we're-trading-Dame-to you' strafing run. There was simply no way the Blazers were moving Dame to Miami. Bridges were completely burnt

I think Riley communicated that to Dame's agent, and Dame's agent communicated that to Dame. And there was no context about how much Portland was justified in their stance....mainly because it was easier to lay all the Blame on the Blazers rather admitting that Goodwin, Riley, and Dame themselves were the ones that stated throwing rocks in a glass house
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I would not be surprised if that is true, but that is certainly not a "fuck you Dame anything but what you want" and more of a "fuck you Miami for tempering", so I still do not think that Dame is right, if what the article claims Dame said is what I read into it.
 
Strenuus said:
I'm not buying that Goodwin pre-emptively went to Milwaukee. Joe played Goodwins hand, and Goodwin is trying to save face.

Goodwin failed as dames agent and got played hard by Cronin. Love it.
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How did he fail?

Dame is on a team that most experts are predicting to win the East.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Has any team ever signed a player to a max contract and then asked him to shut it down during the best season of his career?
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How many recently-signed max-contract players have the best season of their career while on a lotto-level team that clearly needs to rebuild?
 
Strenuus said:
I'm not buying that Goodwin pre-emptively went to Milwaukee. Joe played Goodwins hand, and Goodwin is trying to save face.

Goodwin failed as dames agent and got played hard by Cronin. Love it.
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Agree 100%. And Dame is being loyal to Goodwin to a fault, IMO.

That's Dame. It's why he shouldn't be able to nix personel decisions.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Nah. It was a complicated divorce. But this labeling of Lillard as a money-grubbing selfish party boy is not accurate or fair.

Last year Dame was doing what Dame had done many years before, drag a shit roster to the playoffs. Something was said to make him not do that again. He agreed. That's what is not being discussed because if it were, I'm guessing, the league would step in a fine the shit out of the Blazers and take away draft picks.
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He wasn’t leading us to the playoffs. We were bound for the 11th seed which probably would’ve given us Gradey Dick. It was the right move to get Scoot instead. With a chance at Wemby!
 
blazerkor said:
I can't fucking stand the question of what players Cronin could have acquired to make Dame happy and have us headed towards contention in the next couple of seasons because no one fucking knows... no one. Only Joe knows who was available and that's if he turned over every rock to find out. Only Joe knows if when teams asked for both Shae and Scoot if he countered with Scoot plus future picks that could have been unlocked by making a deal with Chicago.

I honestly doubt that Joe exhausted all options two years in a row with high lotto picks and came up with no impact vets at positions of need. I heard a lot about incoming offers from other teams and our team waiting for one that made sense. I didn't hear about offers we made other teams. That doesn't mean they didn't happen but it's just as solid for me to argue that we never got out there and shopped our picks, as it is for anyone in here to say the rumored offers we've heard were the best our front office saw.
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So you believe that Cronin passed on trades, again in the mere 18 months he had the reins December 2021 to June 2023, that would have made us a contender? REALLY?! Come on man, let it go, we all know there's zero chance that's true. Zero bro. None.

If you mean that Joe didn't give up on tremendously valuable future assets of Scoot and Sharpe to tinker around the edges only to end in failure. Sure, maybe that happened, but that would have been malpractice of the highest order had he done it. So again, how is it Cronin's fault? The only reasonable answer based on all known facts is, it is NOT Cronin's fault, but it certainly is Olshey's fault who had over a decade of failure to build a real contender around Dame. Put the blame where it belongs.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
How did he fail?

Dame is on a team that most experts are predicting to win the East.
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That wasn’t Dame’s interest. He wanted Miami and Miami only. We heard it for months. If his sole goal was contending, he would’ve had a longer list from the get go: Boston, Phoenix, Milwaukee, Lakers, Clippers, even Minnesota should’ve been on that list. And, I should add, he would’ve helped Portland because there would’ve been. a bidding war for him.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
No way. I firmly believe Dame wants that ring. He played for Olympic Gold with an injury that GPII wouldn't play a minute with.

Someone who even with his own basketball court was still the first one in and the last one out of the practice facility I very much doubt suddenly wants to be a Miami partyboy.
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Then why not ask for a Championship contender? I'd bet dollars to doughnuts Dame had a 12 out of a possible 10 level hot girlfriend in Miami, and/or knew he could find one there and no other championship caliber roster (other than LA) could offer that. Since he did NOT ask for even the LA teams, one can conclude he wanted something about Miami specifically. I'd guess it was a combination of no state income tax, weather, championship contending and TSP. Thinking about it more deeply, maybe it was just money plus championship with TSP as a side note. Top Shelf...
 
blazerkor said:
I can't fucking stand the question of what players Cronin could have acquired to make Dame happy and have us headed towards contention in the next couple of seasons because no one fucking knows... no one. Only Joe knows who was available and that's if he turned over every rock to find out. Only Joe knows if when teams asked for both Shae and Scoot if he countered with Scoot plus future picks that could have been unlocked by making a deal with Chicago.

I honestly doubt that Joe exhausted all options two years in a row with high lotto picks and came up with no impact vets at positions of need. I heard a lot about incoming offers from other teams and our team waiting for one that made sense. I didn't hear about offers we made other teams. That doesn't mean they didn't happen but it's just as solid for me to argue that we never got out there and shopped our picks, as it is for anyone in here to say the rumored offers we've heard were the best our front office saw.
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Did anybody hear about our offer to Milwaukee before it happened? How about the Clippers? How about New Orleans?

I didn't hear about anything that was available or considered that would have been better than we ended up with. For win now, or for the future.

I can't think of anything reasonable either. We needed the next Jimmy Butler situation. And that didn't present itself.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
And this is just my opinion but Goodwin did what you would want your agent to do for you.

The goal was to get your client on a championship-contending team without having that team give up so much that they are no longer a championship-contending team.

How many teams met that criteria? Heat and Milwaukee, obviously but after that? Boston? Warriors? Suns?
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I'm not so sure that Goodwin deserves credit for Damian going to Milwaukee.
 
blazerkor said:
I can't fucking stand the question of what players Cronin could have acquired to make Dame happy and have us headed towards contention in the next couple of seasons because no one fucking knows... no one. Only Joe knows who was available and that's if he turned over every rock to find out. Only Joe knows if when teams asked for both Shae and Scoot if he countered with Scoot plus future picks that could have been unlocked by making a deal with Chicago.

I honestly doubt that Joe exhausted all options two years in a row with high lotto picks and came up with no impact vets at positions of need. I heard a lot about incoming offers from other teams and our team waiting for one that made sense. I didn't hear about offers we made other teams. That doesn't mean they didn't happen but it's just as solid for me to argue that we never got out there and shopped our picks, as it is for anyone in here to say the rumored offers we've heard were the best our front office saw.
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I cant stand the posts that doubt Cronin but simultaneously admit they don't know but then say they doubt he did this or that.

As long as you doubt without knowing, you better get used to the rebuttal, cause if we don't know, neither do you!!!


And frankly, the timeline says alot if you focused on that then you would have answered your own question for the most part…but anyone who says Joe fucked up, or leans that way regularly dismisses the timeline of events…

What we do know is the rumors that the asking price for certain players was far too high. Brown and OG to name a couple.
So chill out bro. Cause i cant stand those posts who just assume they know while saying they don't. Which is pretty much what you said.
If you dont know, stop judging…
 
Phatguysrule said:
Did anybody hear about our offer to Milwaukee before it happened? How about the Clippers? How about New Orleans?

I didn't hear about anything that was available or considered that would have been better than we ended up with. For win now, or for the future.

I can't think of anything reasonable either. We needed the next Jimmy Butler situation. And that didn't present itself.
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Or a competent GM who didn't over value CJ, and to just pull the trigger the last time Butler was available, or PG-13, or Wiggins. But yeah, it's probably the new boss's fault and not the guy who had over a decade of failure and KNOWN missed opportunities under his belt. Yeah, its the new guy based on, my imagination of what might have happened.
 
Dame signed his extension and almost all of the fan base gasped that we would be paying him that much in the twilight of his career. That is not a player you go all-in with and trade your future with.

Giannis signs his extension and the Bucks breathe a sigh of relief. That is a player you make those kinds of trades with.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
Dame signed his extension and almost all of the fan base gasped that we would be paying him that much in the twilight of his career. That is not a player you go all-in with and trade your future with.

Giannis signs his extension and the Bucks breathe a sigh of relief. That is a player you make those kinds of trades with.
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Yep, all the Cronin haters are overlooking so many things it's wild. Irrational even by sports fans standards. Also, Dame said he wants to come back and I'm sure he will. Then we can have a reasonable contract Dame in the twilight of his career, help us hit some clutch shots while Scoot and Sharpe take us to our second, third etc. championships!
 
Why are we still beating this dead horse -- I have made ZERO secret what side of the fence of this issue I am on and I will hold that opinion until proven otherwise BUT by now it's time to put whatever feeling on the whole Dame summer drama in the rear view mirror and move on. This thread should be for talking about how Dame is doing with the Bucks and such NOT rehashing the summer bullshit again and just trying to keep the shit stirred up with Dame fans like myself. My final thought on it is sucks how the summer played out but the rebuild was the right call now time to support the Blazers and if your a Dame fan support him cept when he is playing the Blazers. -- PERIOD

Go Blazers and Dame fan 4 Life
 
Idog1976 said:
So you believe that Cronin passed on trades, again in the mere 18 months he had the reins December 2021 to June 2023, that would have made us a contender? REALLY?! Come on man, let it go, we all know there's zero chance that's true. Zero bro. None.

If you mean that Joe didn't give up on tremendously valuable future assets of Scoot and Sharpe to tinker around the edges only to end in failure. Sure, maybe that happened, but that would have been malpractice of the highest order had he done it. So again, how is it Cronin's fault? The only reasonable answer based on all known facts is, it is NOT Cronin's fault, but it certainly is Olshey's fault who had over a decade of failure to build a real contender around Dame. Put the blame where it belongs.
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Good post. Only legit counter argument I could see is that Joe statements were different. Personally I don't care as GMs are not supposed to give upfront completely true statements. But I could see where Dame felt mislead if he had similar private dialog with Joe.

But that doesn't excuse any of Dames actions.

Very glad this is where we ended up as I agree once the Clippers trade was done there was no possible way to build a contender around Dame.

Dame was delusional about himself, his abilities, and his power. He bluffed, bet his decade of Blazers reputation could get him whatever he wanted, and lost.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
I cant stand the posts that doubt Cronin but simultaneously admit they don't know but then say they doubt he did this or that.

As long as you doubt without knowing, you better get used to the rebuttal, cause if we don't know, neither do you!!!


And frankly, the timeline says alot if you focused on that then you would have answered your own question for the most part…but anyone who says Joe fucked up, or leans that way regularly dismisses the timeline of events…

What we do know is the rumors that the asking price for certain players was far too high. Brown and OG to name a couple.
So chill out bro. Cause i cant stand those posts who just assume they know while saying they don't. Which is pretty much what you said.
If you dont know, stop judging…
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Yes! I was thinking the same thing! If no one knows, then how does he know??
 
SlyPokerDog said:
No way. I firmly believe Dame wants that ring. He played for Olympic Gold with an injury that GPII wouldn't play a minute with.

Someone who even with his own basketball court was still the first one in and the last one out of the practice facility I very much doubt suddenly wants to be a Miami partyboy.
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Six months ago, I would have agreed with you. Now, not so much. I think something snapped in Dame with the collapse of his marriage. I don't think he would lessen his commitment to basketball, but I do think he would spend A LOT of time in South Beach partying.
 
maxiep said:
Six months ago, I would have agreed with you. Now, not so much. I think something snapped in Dame with the collapse of his marriage. I don't think he would lessen his commitment to basketball, but I do think he would spend A LOT of time in South Beach partying.
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Agreed. I think Dame wants a ring almost as much as he wants to be where he wants to be.
 
Since I predicted Scoot's NBA debut, I will predict Dame's Milwaukee debut

32 pts
4 reb
8 ast
2 stl
1 blk
2 tov
 
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