Dame named as Top 75 Player

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I think people are forgetting that Dame has done some things that only a small handful of players have done. If he was on the Lakers nobody would even question the selection.
 
handiman said:
You conveniently omitted the next paragraph: "I suppose an interesting question could be asked, is it better to be a 30 pts/game guy for 5 seasons and counting, or a 20 pts/game guy for 10 seasons? Which one is more significant historically? The per game and per season average, or the career totals?"
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I think per game/per season, especially when the career totals are within shouting distance and one player's career is unfinished. I also think, when all else is equal, bigger seasons provide more "championship equity" (so to speak) than more merely good seasons. I think having a superstar for five seasons is more valuable to winning a title than a very good player for 10.

I can see why other people would come to other answers, and I don't think Lillard was a no-brainer, but that's generally how I see it.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think people are forgetting that Dame has done some things that only a small handful of players have done. If he was on the Lakers nobody would even question the selection.
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If he was on the Lakers and they had never won a WCF finals game during his time there, people just might question it.
 
handiman said:
Which one is more significant historically? The per game and per season average, or the career totals?"
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it depends, obviously. Brandon Roy might have made the list if he'd played 15 seasons and had a 7 year prime. But he didn't.

McGrady played in 15 seasons and averaged at least 25 points 5 times. Dame has played 9 seasons and has averaged 25 points 6 times. The last time McGrady averaged 25 points he was 25. Dame did it at 30. McGrady averaged 6 assists or better one season. Dame has done that in 7 different seasons. And, McGrady actually had a higher career usage rate and averaged more shots per-100 possessions than Dame, so it's not like Dame had some volume advantage. And even though McGrady was 6 inches taller, he only averaged one more rebound than Dame

McGrady made 7 all-star games; Dame should tie mark that this season. McGrady has made 7 all-league teams; Dame has made 8. McGrady was player of the month 4 times; Dame was POM 7 times. McGrady's career PER was 22.1; Dame's is 22.3. McGrady's career TS% was .519; Dame's is .584. McGrady's career winshare/48 mark was .152; Dame's is .179

maybe McGrady should have made the list....but not at the expense of Dame
 
I'm one of the older fellers in here (57), and it was much deserved from what i've seen over my 4 plus decades of NBA basketball fandom. He's the greatest closer i've ever seen . His 4th qtr. play has become legendary. EVERY team in the league sets their game plan around trying to stop him with double and sometimes triple teams. I have only seen the greats of the early decades on highlights. But many of those greats ( Russell, Chamberlain, West) are on the list as well. No list is ever perfect, but I'm so proud to have Dame a Blazer. I look forward to him adding to his legacy, in becoming the Greatest Trailblazer ever. Even though, to me, he's already achieved that. Congrats Dame. Go Blazers!!
 
Orion Bailey said:
Per game per season.
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Minstrel said:
I think per game/per season, especially when the career totals are within shouting distance and one player's career is unfinished. I also think, when all else is equal, bigger seasons provide more "championship equity" (so to speak) than more merely good seasons. I think having a superstar for five seasons is more valuable to winning a title than a very good player for 10.

I can see why other people would come to other answers, and I don't think Lillard was a no-brainer, but that's generally how I see it.
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i was going to explain in depth, but i knew someone more eloquent would come along and provide the details. :)
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Skip Bayless and Doug Gottlieb both going in on Dame's selection, saying Kyrie Irving would be more deserving than Dame (though Gottlieb says that neither should be included).
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While I disagree with Kyrie being better than Dame, it is going to be less and less likely Dame stays on this type of list in future years unless he wins one. Hard when someone isn't known as being a good defender even if he is an amazing offensive player.

Pierce has one which is probably why he made it over someone like Tmac or VC. I don't think many would argue Tmac in his healthy years was better than Pierce.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Tracy never won a playoff series except for late in career riding pine in SA. Lillard is way ahead of him. Carter never did much either.
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If Lillard is making it on his effect on the game, then Carter HAS to be on it for the same reason. Carter deserves to be on this.
 
THE HCP said:
I have MAJOR respect for the players from back in the day, but I really look at the athleticism of the guys. I mean can you imagine what Dame would do playing against point guards in the 1960-61 season? I mean c'mon FAMS!

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that guy saw the future, and that’s why he’s sporting knee pads!
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
that guy saw the future, and that’s why he’s sporting knee pads!
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Actually, I’m surprised more players don’t wear them today. They were pretty common when I played as a kid and it seemed like most kids wore at least one (and when you saw that, you were pretty sure he was letting a teammate wear the other). Again, no idea why they aren’t popular today, but I always thought they were very effective……
 
Very very surprised Lillard made this list. Just doesn’t seem quite deserved but it’s great for him. Dwight is so underrated. People forget or don’t know about his prime years.
 
calvin natt said:
Very very surprised Lillard made this list. Just doesn’t seem quite deserved but it’s great for him. Dwight is so underrated. People forget or don’t know about his prime years.
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Let’s face it. Lillard being on the list is a joke. Howard was on the all-defensive team three years in a row, led the league in blocks two times, made eight all-star games and led Orlando to an NBA championship.
 
THE HCP said:
I have MAJOR respect for the players from back in the day, but I really look at the athleticism of the guys. I mean can you imagine what Dame would do playing against point guards in the 1960-61 season? I mean c'mon FAMS!

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Hey, look. It’s a white player! Whoever he is, he must have been bad. Is that about the gist of it, HCP?
 
Bingo Bango said:
Let’s face it. Lillard being on the list is a joke. Howard was on the all-defensive team three years in a row, led the league in blocks two times, made eight all-star games and led Orlando to an NBA championship.
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Look I may disagree with you, but honestly I hope you just reply to this for reasons.
 
Not that it matters, but I'd switch out Klay for Westbrook. Sure Russ has put up insane stats and is one of the best run jump athletes the league has ever seen, but he's also a choker in crunch time, has a game that doesn't mesh well with others & is a royal prick on the court. If sports is in the entertainment business, he's one of the most painfully entitled watches I've endured. He'll typically physically dominate lesser talents (and then flex on them) while screaming all night long at the refs, but then always royally spits the bit in the big game... seriously why celebrate that?

Conversely Thompson seems to be the super competitive yet cool cucumber/assassin type . He's one of the best catch and shoot players ever with uber efficiency, a high release point and range. As a premier spread the court player, his game compliments any style of play and contributes to winning hoops (see rings). Though the skills are different, I put him as a top shelf Robin along side Pippen, McHale & Worthy. His well above average D puts him ahead of shooters Pierce, Reggie & Ray for me too, but Westbrook... see ya. I would have had to take a hiatus from Blazer fandom if he'd spent his career here. I'm actually pleased that he's finishing up back home.

STOMP
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
Not to mention beating Team USA back when that meant something.
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For Manu to make the basketball hall of fame yes that is impressive.

For him to make the NBA best 75 all time.... no, international ball is irrelevant.

I still believe his NBA only resume is clearly above Westbrook. The problem is some people value empty stats for losing teams.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
I hate Westbrook. He will bring down the Lakers. BUT his record when getting triple double is good so you can’t call them empty stats. Also he’s played in an NBA Final.
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He was the 4th best player on a team that lost an NBA finals.

Should Mikal Bridges make the team too?
 
KSF-ERIC said:
I hate Westbrook. He will bring down the Lakers. BUT his record when getting triple double is good so you can’t call them empty stats. Also he’s played in an NBA Final.
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And I don't hate Westbrook. He's was entertaining as heck with his physicality in his 20s. But that doesn't mean he was a championship level winning basketball player.

When he tried to show up Dame it was basically free points he gave the Blazers and let them easily win in 5 games.

I'd much rather have had Tony Parke if I was constructing a team to win an NBA finals. He'll even Terry Porter, or a dozen PGs not on the top 75 list.
 
Bingo Bango said:
Let’s face it. Lillard being on the list is a joke. Howard was on the all-defensive team three years in a row, led the league in blocks two times, made eight all-star games and led Orlando to an NBA championship.
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Beer pong championship?
 
Minstrel said:
I think per game/per season, especially when the career totals are within shouting distance and one player's career is unfinished. I also think, when all else is equal, bigger seasons provide more "championship equity" (so to speak) than more merely good seasons. I think having a superstar for five seasons is more valuable to winning a title than a very good player for 10.

I can see why other people would come to other answers, and I don't think Lillard was a no-brainer, but that's generally how I see it.
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And that's where the argument begins to unravel.
 
Case for Dame besides overall numbers:

Had three 60 point games in one (shortened) season.

Has the record for most 3s made in a playoff game.

In that game, it was maybe the greatest individual playoff performance of all time. People don’t go off for 55 & 10 in playoff games while shooting like that. Maybe Jordan’s 63 point game?

Hit 2 iconic playoff series winning buzzer beaters. Only Jordan has matched that and one of them isn’t that memorable.

McGrady, Hill, and Carter pale in comparison….
 
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