Dame still has love for the P...D...X...!

[maxiep]

Yeah, that's an upgraded dream for sure. I meant to imply we build a dynasty around Sharpe and Scoot. I'm fine with Dame winning rings in the interim if he comes back and wins even more with us and retires in Portland.

I don't wish Dame any ill will, but as Lord Merlynn once wrote, "You can never go home again." He had one of the all-time great runs here as a Blazer, but it's clear that time is either coming to an end, or has already ended. At this point, I would be surprised if he went to Springfield as a Blazer. I'm expecting Clyde, Part Deux.

 

[Idog1976]

of course ..my disliked Blazer list is a small one. Off court reasons Pattersons actions were really serious however as a Knick Felton beat his girlfriend and threatened her with a gun...did community service in NYC to pay off his fine.had a restraining order...she wasn't underaged but he assaulted her violently. Ray was worse than just a foot dribbling jiggler

I had not heard that and I stand corrected in the sense Felton was involved in criminal assault. Patterson is still worse, but I want to acknowledge that your stance is more reasonable with that additional info.

 

[wizenheimer]

Are there many people not acknowledging his incendiary talent? It seems to me the criticism of Dame has nothing to do with his play, little to do with wanting a trade where he can compete, and almost completely to do with dictating that he wants to go to Miami, but doesn't want our return to be too big so he can try to win a ring.

yes...that's it....it's about his Miami or bust stance right now and what his agent did

it's not about him "not winning shit"; that's a red herring. Just a way to diminish what he did for Portland before the trade demand

 

[Natebishop3]

yes...that's it....it's about his Miami or bust stance right now and what his agent did

it's not about him "not winning shit"; that's a red herring. Just a way to diminish what he did for Portland before the trade demand

You’re not getting it and I’m done explaining it to you.

 

[wizenheimer]

You’re not getting it and I’m done explaining it to you.

lol...you really didn't make a point so profound it was beyond my mental capacity

you're essentially saying that Kobe earned enough gravity with Laker fans he could be forgiven for being an asshole whereas Dame didn't. And the reason why Kobe was forgiven for being an even bigger asshole than Dame is rings, even though Kobe didn't "win shit" without all-NBA teammates

 

[Strenuus]

of course ..my disliked Blazer list is a small one. Off court reasons Pattersons actions were really serious however as a Knick Felton beat his girlfriend and threatened her with a gun...did community service in NYC to pay off his fine.had a restraining order...she wasn't underaged but he assaulted her violently. Ray was worse than just a foot dribbling jiggler

Oh shit I'll be honest I totally forgot about that incident. Huh. Well they can both fuck off even further now.

 

[Natebishop3]

lol...you really didn't make a point so profound it was beyond my mental capacity

you're essentially saying that Kobe earned enough gravity with Laker fans he could be forgiven for being an asshole whereas Dame didn't. And the reason why Kobe was forgiven for being an even bigger asshole than Dame is rings, even though Kobe didn't "win shit" without all-NBA teammates

I have yet to see you tie your last point to my point even a little bit. So you can demonstrate that you understand my point but you just tack on this weird issue about why Dame did or did not win. It’s irrelevant. And if you think it IS relevant you need to explain WHY it’s relevant.

 

[barfo]

The good thing about being very old is that seasons go by very quickly. Dame will be out of the league before I remember where I left the car keys.

But whether I remember his name or not, he'll always be someone who played here for a certain amount of time, just like Shawn Kemp and Jason Jennings and Qyntel Woods.

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

The good thing about being very old is that seasons go by very quickly. Dame will be out of the league before I remember where I left the car keys.

But whether I remember his name or not, he'll always be someone who played here for a certain amount of time, just like Shawn Kemp and Jason Jennings and Qyntel Woods.

barfo

And that’s why I keep saying that winning or not winning a ring will affect how people remember him after this whole debacle.

 

[wizenheimer]

I have yet to see you tie your last point to my point even a little bit. So you can demonstrate that you understand my point but you just tack on this weird issue about why Dame did or did not win. .

wut?

you are the one that started the "Dame didn't win shit" stuff...that wasn't me. I just responded to it

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

But whether I remember his name or not, he'll always be someone who played here for a certain amount of time, just like Shawn Kemp and Jason Jennings and Qyntel Woods.

barfo

 

[PCmor7]

At least we now know who was responsible for those awful teal and black uniforms.

 

[Natebishop3]

wut?

you are the one that started the "Dame didn't win shit" stuff...that wasn't me. I just responded to it

That’s a fact. He didn’t win shit.

You entered all this stuff about why and who he played with. You have to explain why that is relevant to what I’m talking about.

 

[inconceivable]

At least we now know who was responsible for those awful teal and black uniforms.

Goodness that was atrocious

 

[wizenheimer]

That’s a fact. He didn’t win shit.

You entered all this stuff about why and who he played with. You have to explain why that is relevant to what I’m talking about.

I did fucking explain it...2 or 3 times

 

[Natebishop3]

I did fucking explain it...2 or 3 times

Brian: Laker fans forgave Kobe for his trade demand.

Me: Yeah but Kobe won championships and Dame did not.

You: Dame had shit teams so that’s why he didn’t win.

Im not discussing why Dame didn’t win. That has no bearing on the conversation. I’m saying that fans forgive shit if you’re a winner.

You either are or you are not a winner. There is no try. And if you ARE a winner, fans tend to overlook your warts. That’s just how it is.

So are you trying to say that fans SHOULD take into account the fact that Dame didn’t have help? What should or should not happen doesn’t matter. There’s what DOES and DOES NOT happen. Dame joins a long line of players that didn’t get it done in Portland.

But the way in which he’s try to leave is putting a foul taste in a lot of peoples mouths and if he had won a ring, I think people would be a lot more forgiving…… but he didn’t.

Tell me where I have it wrong.

 

[BassPlaya]

At least we now know who was responsible for those awful teal and black uniforms.

 

[wizenheimer]

Im not discussing why Dame didn’t win. That has no bearing on the conversation. .

sorry...not sorry...that I won't let you take the discussion in only the direction you want to go, with only the context you want entered

you said Dame didn't win shit; I said Kobe didn't win shit when he didn't have all-NBA teammates. Adding context is actually allowed under the Rules of Sports Forum Discussion; section 12, paragraphs 9-17...look it up

 

[PCmor7]

sorry...not sorry...that I won't let you take the discussion in only the direction you want to go, with only the context you want entered

you said Dame didn't win shit; I said Kobe didn't win shit when he didn't have all-NBA teammates. Adding context is actually allowed under the Rules of Sports Forum Discussion; section 12, paragraphs 9-17...look it up

Perhaps a minor point, but I'm going to throw this out there -- Pau Gasol never made all-NBA until he played with Kobe. He only made one all-star game before he played with Kobe.

 

[wizenheimer]

Perhaps a minor point, but I'm going to throw this out there -- Pau Gasol never made all-NBA until he played with Kobe. He only made one all-star game before he played with Kobe.

big men take longer (so we've been told); he was 27 when he went to LA. He was a 6-time all star and a 4-time all-NBA

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Seriously, this multiple back-and-forth bickering needs to stop.

Not signaling anyone out in particular.

Just asking those involved to stop. Make your point or counterpoint and move on.

 

[Natebishop3]

Seriously, this multiple back-and-forth bickering needs to stop.

Not signaling anyone out in particular.

Just asking those involved to stop. Make your point or counterpoint and move on.

I put that silly man on ignore years ago. There would be zero interaction if he’d ignore me.

 

[sheed30]

Seriously, this multiple back-and-forth bickering needs to stop.

Not signaling anyone out in particular.

Just asking those involved to stop. Make your point or counterpoint and move on.

But yet why is it a certain person is always the center of the bickering? Maybe it would be better if you start to single out people

 

[PCmor7]

big men take longer (so we've been told); he was 27 when he went to LA. He was a 6-time all star and a 4-time all-NBA

He accumulated those honors primarily while playing with Kobe, though. The vast majority of them. Winning with Kobe directly impacted his profile in the league.

I think it's fair to say he was a very good player. No disputing that. But now you're qualifying and rationalizing your earlier definition and moving goalposts doesn't make what was a pretty solid argument look a bit flawed, IMO.

 

[wizenheimer]

He accumulated those honors primarily while playing with Kobe, though. The vast majority of them. Winning with Kobe directly impacted his profile in the league.

I think it's fair to say he was a very good player. No disputing that. But now you're qualifying and rationalizing your earlier definition and moving goalposts doesn't make what was a pretty solid argument look a bit flawed, IMO.

how is it I'm moving goalposts? I said Kobe played with all-NBA players Shaq and Gasol. Facts. Shaq was the Alpha during the three-peat; Kobe was alpha during the later 2 championships. Shaq was all-NBA every season he played with Kobe; and he was all-NBA-defense (2nd team) all three years of the three-peat. Gasol was all-NBA 3 of the years he played with Kobe

Kobe was better than Dame, no doubt. But he also had a much better supporting cast; and for his first 6 seasons including the threepeat, he was part of the supporting cast for Shaq. He became alpha dog sometime in his 7th-8th seasons and promptly drove Shaq out of town. Shaq won a championship in Miami when Kobe and the Lakers were a 1st round exit

Dame played with an all-NBA player too in Aldridge. But we saw how that went and the Aldridge team broke apart after Dame's 3rd season. Since then (2015), not a single all-star unless you count Melo. The first year of the Laker three-peat was Kobe's 4th season. Dame's 4th season he had CJ and Aminu

 

[Natebishop3]

how is it I'm moving goalposts? I said Kobe played with all-NBA players Shaq and Gasol. Facts. Shaq was the Alpha during the three-peat; Kobe was alpha during the later 2 championships. Shaq was all-NBA every season he played with Kobe; and he was all-NBA-defense (2nd team) all three years of the three-peat. Gasol was all-NBA 3 of the years he played with Kobe

Kobe was better than Dame, no doubt. But he also had a much better supporting cast; and for his first 6 seasons including the threepeat, he was part of the supporting cast for Shaq. He became alpha dog sometime in his 7th-8th seasons and promptly drove Shaq out of town. Shaq won a championship in Miami when Kobe and the Lakers were a 1st round exit

Dame played with an all-NBA player too in Aldridge. But we saw how that went and the Aldridge team broke apart after Dame's 3rd season. Since then (2015), not a single all-star unless you count Melo. The first year of the Laker three-peat was Kobe's 4th season. Dame's 4th season he had CJ and Aminu

Do you think that fans would have put up with Kobe's ego, his scandals, and his trade demands if he had not won a championship or three with the Lakers?

 

[Tince]

Do you think that fans would have put up with Kobe's ego, his scandals, and his trade demands if he had not won a championship or three with the Lakers?

There is no way to know outside of the time period prior to Kobe winning a title. An answer in either direction would be equally valid and unprovable.

I'm guessing you can always find people on a message board who want their best player traded, coach fired, etc.

 

[Natebishop3]

There is no way to know outside of the time period prior to Kobe winning a title. An answer in either direction would be equally valid and unprovable.

The operative word in the post that you quoted is "THINK." That's an invitation to postulate.

 

[Tince]

The operative word in the post that you quoted is "THINK." That's an invitation to postulate.

Ok. Yes, I think there would've been fans would have put up with Kobe's ego, his scandals, and his trade demands if he had not won a championship or three with the Lakers.

There, it's settled, it would've happened. Now what?