Trade Dame to Milwaukee

[Natebishop3]

Protected 1st and rotation player was consistently thrown out there. I'm don't actually know if the Miami deal is better than the Milwaukee deal. It depends on how they execute this Jrue trade. But I would be pissed if they deliberately end up choosing a lesser deal because of feelings and animosity.

Understand this:



Ayton was coming whether it was the Heat or Bucks or whatever. Look at what they ended up taking for Ayton.

Yes, but Miami would have had to expand the deal in order to accommodate the Suns. The Bucks chipped in Grayson Allen.

 

[B-Roy]

Yes, but Miami would have had to expand the deal in order to accommodate the Suns. The Bucks chipped in Grayson Allen.

What are you not understanding? Herro to a 4th team that chips in the rotation piece for PHX and the 1st for Portland. You don't think they could have negotiated that if they talked?

 

[blazerfan11]

 

[Whyachi]

Lillard has never got to play sustained big ball. Portland has always toyed around with 3 guard lineups, and swing up small forwards. Injuries and unfortunates have always plagued the Blazers frontline during Dame's tenure. The Bucks bigs department is STACKED !!

 

[Natebishop3]

What are you not understanding? Herro to a 4th team that chips in the rotation piece for PHX and the 1st for Portland. You don't think they could have negotiated that if they talked?

Ok. So more hypotheticals.

 

[B-Roy]

As the NBA offseason calendar shifted to September and there was no trade in sight to his preferred trade destination of the Miami Heat, Damian Lillard incorporated himself back into the Portland Trail Blazers’ ecosystem. For the last two weeks, team sources say Lillard has been working out at the Blazers practice facility, interacting with players and coaches.

Nearly three months after his trade request, was there a reconciliation in the works? No, but Lillard wanted the Blazers to know he was willing to remain patient while his uncomfortable exit played out.

On a call between Lillard’s agent, Aaron Goodwin, and Blazers general manager Joe Cronin earlier this month, it was communicated that Lillard would be content rejoining Portland for training camp. Lillard let the Blazers know he was willing to be fully present for the start of the 2023-24 season, if only to give the organization more time to work toward a potential trade with the Heat, sources briefed on those conversations say. But according to league sources, Cronin expressed skepticism about that approach. The Blazers were determined to get a deal done before the start of camp.

I've accepted that Dame's gone, but this shit still hurts. The team CHOSE Scoot + new regime over Dame, not the other way around. They have been showing practices through social media over the last two weeks but didn't show Dame even though he was there.

But you should know that they the ones who chose another mission

 

[illmatic99]

Hmm so Holiday has to come to Portland for a physical? Interesting.

 

[Natebishop3]

I've accepted that Dame's gone, but this shit still hurts. The team CHOSE Scoot + new regime over Dame, not the other way around. They have been showing practices through social media over the last two weeks but didn't show Dame even though he was there.

But you should know that they the ones who chose another mission

I mean... yeah.

We weren't going to be able to build a contender around Dame. He's 33. He's due a ton of money. It made zero sense to keep him at this point. It was time to rebuild, and we happened to have an exceptional replacement fall into our laps. This was the logical decision. The pragmatic decision. If you remove all the emotions and the memories, this is a business and it's supposed to be about winning a championship. We were not going to win a ring with Dame. That ship sailed.

 

[blazerfan11]

 

[B-Roy]

https://theathletic.com/4908586/2023/09/28/damian-lillard-trade-how-it-happened-bucks-suns-blazers/

Tons of details here:

As the Blazers began to start serious trade talks across the league on Sept. 18, a bevy of teams — the Bucks, Boston Celtics, New Orleans Pelicans, Toronto Raptors, Minnesota Timberwolves and Chicago Bulls — all showed interest in Lillard, league sources have told The Athletic.

But when Cronin stopped responding to all communication from Goodwin in mid-September — with the tension rising between both sides along the way — sources briefed on the discussions say it inspired the agent to explore other team options that would be to Lillard’s liking. And Tatum, as it turned out, was hardly the only superstar who wanted to bring him to town.

Yet once Lillard was convinced that joining the Heat was virtually impossible, sources briefed on discussions say he became open to the prospect of playing for the Bucks and the Brooklyn Nets. The backchannel blessings commenced. Goodwin, sources briefed on the talks say, communicated Lillard’s interest to those teams as a way of paving the way for a possible deal. League sources say the Suns, with their sights set on Nurkić and other roster depth, were planning to be a part of trades with the Bucks, Nets or Heat.

 

[B-Roy]

Ok. So more hypotheticals.

Believe what you want. If you choose to be deliberately ignorant that's on you.

 

[Natebishop3]

Believe what you want. If you choose to be deliberately ignorant that's on you.

You're buying into the Goodwin damage control. This is all shit coming out AFTER the trade and it's coming from Goodwin. He's trying to save face.

Shams? Goodwin shill.

Haynes? Goodwin shill.

Fentress? Goodwin shill.

Show me a source that hasn't been continuously shown to be a mouthpiece for Dame/Goodwin.

 

[B-Roy]

You're buying into the Goodwin damage control. This is all shit coming out AFTER the trade and it's coming from Goodwin. He's trying to save face.

Shams? Goodwin shill.

Haynes? Goodwin shill.

Fentress? Goodwin shill.

Show me a source that hasn't been continuously shown to be a mouthpiece for Dame/Goodwin.

Ok.

 

[Natebishop3]

Sam Vecenie - "Jrue is still probably the best player on the market right now, so you still dictate the market in a real way, and you also get Deandre Ayton plus this draft capital and I want to focus on this draft capital."

"I think this draft capital is the best I'd seen from all of the other teams. You get the 2029 pick that is unprotected, I believe... you get the two 28 and 30 pick swaps. And this is all after this Bucks core ages out. Brook Lopez is 35. Khris Middleton is 32 and his deal goes through 2026. Damian Lillard is 33 and his deal goes through 2027. Giannis turns 29 in December, but like, I don't know how he's gonna age. You talk to people around the league and there's real question about how that physical, brutish style where he's taking contact, taking bumps every single play down the court without having really improved as a shooter throughout the course of his career, is going to mature as he gets into his early 30s. How long does his prime extend out? He's always going to be a good player but like, there's a tangible difference if Milwaukee has Giannis at 33-34 years old, which he'd be at the end of where these picks are trying to come through, and he's like a top 40 player in the league as opposed to a top 3 player in the league."

"I feel like the picks are more valuable than the Miami picks and Toronto picks because of the way that Milwaukee's roster is currently set."

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3B5l5D67isdpWaqZcZr13t?si=ee51142b36fe48ff

 

[bigbailes]

Interesting.... Spears says that Goodwin talked to Milwaukee and Brooklyn and told those two teams not to tell the Blazers that Dame was okay with them because he thought it could negatively impact the negotiations.

For those wondering why Goodwin isn't a highly sought after agent ... here is Exhibit A with Exhibit B being the way the Gary Payton situation was handled and yet we still have one of his few clients in Matisse.

 

[wizenheimer]

Dame's massive extension IMO is what worked the most against them as far as bringing better value back

it was a factor, but I think a lot of people are seriously exaggerating how much of a factor it actually was

Dame (33) - 4 years @ 54M/year

Curry (35) - 3 years @ 56M/year
Durant (35) - 3 years @ 52M/year
Jokic (28) - 5 years @ 55M/year
Embiid (29) - 4 years @ 53M/year
Beal (30) - 4 years @ 52M/year
Butler (34) - 3 years @ 49M/year
Giannis (28) - 3 years @ 49M/year
Booker (27) - 5 years @ 51M/year
KAT (28) - 5 years @ 51M/year
Jaylen Brown (27) - 6 years @ 53M/year

Dame - 216M (includes P.O.)

Jokic - 276M
Embiid - 231M
Beal - 208M
Young - 178M
Doncic - 178M
LaVine - 178M
Booker - 259M
KAT - 259M
Zion - 197M
Morant - 197M
Garland - 197M
Brown - 320M
Sabonis - 217M
Anthony Edwards - 219M
Lamelo Ball - 216M
Haliburton - 212M
Desmond Bane - 201M

look at that first list; Butler is paid the least annually. A year older than Dame. Butler's annual salary is 36% of the current salary cap; Dame's is 39%. Front offices are not going to seat that small a percentage, especially not when the player fits what they need. Besides that, each off-sesaon will see more giant salaries coming online. Next summer, Siakam, AD, and Klay will likely all be looking at new contracts

Dame's extension effectively made his contract a 4 year deal. After the stink his agent made about Miami, I'd say Dame's value was enhanced by having a 4 year deal rather than a 2 year deal. teams wouldn't have to worry so much about him walking or threatening to walk

and it's not like the Miami-or-bust stink is the only wart on those lists. Ja Morant looks like a head case. Several of those players have extensive injury histories. Booker has averaged 20 missed games/year over the last 6 seasons

my take is the biggest negative factors in Dame's value were his size (6'2), his age (33), and his poor defensive reputation. I think teams are already baking in the realization that top-10ish players with 10 years of experience will be carting max deals around

 

[wizenheimer]

The Athletic Article paints a nasty picture of the Blazers FO. Basically refusing a better deal.

Shams doing another hit piece on the Blazers? say it ain't so

 

[blazerfan11]

Believe what you want. If you choose to be deliberately ignorant that's on you.

Was it ignorant to disregard all the rumors about the Dame trade before it happened?

 

[blazerfan11]

 

[Whyachi]

Shams doing another hit piece on the Blazers? say it ain't so

that Toradol toasting Blazer hater can roll around is his Warriors are the new Clippers, too old to compete at high levels yellow and blue bedspread.

 

[wizenheimer]

So Miami's offer was:

2 1sts
2 swaps
Herro to a third team for a protected 1st
Seconds
Jovic

So Holiday needs to fetch more than 2 1sts and a young player.

I don't believe that was ever the actual offer

* it's easy to say "Herro to a 3rd team for a first". I think it's a lot harder to find that 3rd team and in fact, I don't think any 3rd team was found
* 2 swaps? 2027? There's next to zero value for that to Portland since Chicago owns that pick unless it's in the lottery
* that leave 2 firsts and a swap. I am 100% convinced that Riley was not offering all three unprotected. Blazers got 2028-2030 Milwaukee firsts unprotected
* Jovic and what else? Lowry ain't enough. I'm about 90% convinced that Miami's offer always forced Portland to take back Robinson

if I'm right...that's a shit deal...an insulting offer, and Cronin was right to essentially tell Riley to go pound south beach sand

 

[BankTeller]

I don't believe that was ever the actual offer

* it's easy to say "Herro to a 3rd team for a first". I think it's a lot harder to find that 3rd team and in fact, I don't think any 3rd team was found
* 2 swaps? 2027? There's next to zero value for that to Portland since Chicago owns that pick unless it's in the lottery
* that leave 2 firsts and a swap. I am 100% convinced that Riley was not offering all three unprotected. Blazers got 2028-2030 Milwaukee firsts unprotected
* Jovic and what else? Lowry ain't enough. I'm about 90% convinced that Miami's offer always forced Portland to take back Robinson

if I'm right...that's a shit deal...an insulting offer, and Cronin was right to essentially tell Riley to go pound south beach sand

Strange that report also came out after the fact to save face. Before that, they were "daring" us to find a better deal than Herro and two 1sts.

 

[B-Roy]

 

[blazerfan11]

Strange that report also came out after the fact to save face. Before that, they were "daring" us to find a better deal than Herro and two 1sts.

 

[Natebishop3]

Such a joke.

 

[Natebishop3]

Joe Cronin is probably so sick of Masai Ujiri.

 

[Pinwheel1]

If we can't do better I would not mind that for Jrue.
Precious fills a need at PF and Gradey fills a need at SF since we lost Nas. Throw in Boucher and a first and we are good to go.
I would try to move Trent.

 

[B-Roy]

 

[Natebishop3]

If we can't do better I would not mind that for Jrue.
Precious fills a need at PF and Gradey fills a need at SF since we lost Nas. Throw in Boucher and a first and we are good to go.
I would try to move Trent.

Not sure if that deal is there for Jrue. Not sure if we even want to mess around with Ujiri at this point.

 

[Stevenson]

You're buying into the Goodwin damage control. This is all shit coming out AFTER the trade and it's coming from Goodwin. He's trying to save face.

Shams? Goodwin shill.

Haynes? Goodwin shill.

Fentress? Goodwin shill.

Show me a source that hasn't been continuously shown to be a mouthpiece for Dame/Goodwin.

Dame got TERRIBLE advice throughout this whole thing. He should fire Goodwin.