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Strenuus said:
Why people want this man gone at all is beyond me.

"I want him to win a ring somewhere else cause he's never going to here." He's already on record MULTIPLE times saying he wants to do it here and only here and if he doesn't win a ring here he can live with that.

And I can too, because God damn its not always about the ring. It's about having someone who loves this fucking city, treats people right and stands for what he believes in. If we got a ring with him it'd be fucking amazing. But if we don't, we got to watch a Blazer lifer commit to this town unlike anyone we will see again. And I don't know about you, but thats pretty fucking sweet.
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Exactly. Is John Stockton less of a hero in Utah because they didn't win? Or Karl Malone?

Sure, both are ass clowns...

I'm not interested in Dame winning a tittle, I'm interested in Portland winning a title. And imho, their best chance to do that is with him on the team. How many teams have won titles after trading away a superstar? MAYBE Toronto, but to call DeRozan a superstar is a stretch of all stretches.
 
On a day where Dame said this. The motherfuckers at ESPN had this as their front page story?!?

Five big Damian Lillard trades we want to see the Portland Trail Blazers pursue

I'm just going to give you the trade and the moron who proposed it.

Kevin Pelton

Portland gets:
Juancho Hernangomez
Al Horford
Aaron Nesmith
Payton Pritchard
Dennis Schroder
2022 first-round pick
2024 first-round pick
2026 first-round pick (top-10 protected 2026, top-4 protected 2027, unprotected 2028)
2028 first-round pick (top-4 protected 2028 if previous pick conveys in 2026; converts to 2028 second-round pick if not conveyed)

Boston gets:
Damian Lillard
CJ Elleby
Ben McLemore
Tony Snell
Cody Zeller

My two cents. The fucking Celtics get Dame for these players... not one of which is sniffing an all star game in their future and picks rendered useless due to Dame, Tatum, Brown, Williams etc.

Bobby Marks

Portland gets:
Tobias Harris
Tyrese Maxey
Matisse Thybulle
2022 first-round pick (top-10 protected)

Philadelphia gets:
Damian Lillard
Cody Zeller

Not as bad but then the Sixers trade Simmons for a legit PF and win the chip. I don't think Maxey is a future superstar and I know neither of the other two are. That pick is likely in the high 20s

Andre' Snellings

Portland gets:
Collin Sexton
Isaac Okoro
Kevin Love
2022 first-round pick (from CLE)
2022 second-round pick (from HOU)
2024 first-round pick (from CLE)

Cleveland gets:
Damian Lillard
Robert Covington

Sexton has to be extended or matched, Okoro is a role player, Love is an albatross contract and the picks are all basically second rounders when you put Dame with this team that is already over .500 with Sexton out.

Tim Bontemps

Portland gets:
D'Angelo Russell
Taurean Prince
2024 first-round pick (unprotected)
Rights to swap 2025 first-round picks (top-1 protected)
2026 first-round pick (top-3 protected, then becomes unprotected in 2027)
2028 first-round pick (two years after previous pick conveys, top-3 protected 2028, becomes unprotected 2029)

Minnesota gets:
Damian Lillard
Ben McLemore

So Dame for DLo and we get picks from the Lillard, Towns, Edwards era in Minny.

Kevin Arnovitz

Portland gets:
Tyrese Haliburton
Davion Mitchell
Marvin Bagley III
Tristan Thompson
2023 first-round pick (from SAC)

Minnesota gets:
Buddy Hield
Cody Zeller

Sacramento gets:
Damian Lillard
Patrick Beverley
Tony Snell
Jaden McDaniels
2022 second-round pick (from MIN)

Oklahoma City gets:
Jake Layman
2022 second-round pick (from WSH, via MIN)

Well it's a four team deal so I doubt it could even happen but it is the best yield out of these shitty ideas that we get for Dame if we're going to start a rebuild around young players.
 
blazerkor said:
On a day where Dame said this. The motherfuckers at ESPN had this as their front page story?!?

Five big Damian Lillard trades we want to see the Portland Trail Blazers pursue

I'm just going to give you the trade and the moron who proposed it.

Kevin Pelton

Portland gets:
Juancho Hernangomez
Al Horford
Aaron Nesmith
Payton Pritchard
Dennis Schroder
2022 first-round pick
2024 first-round pick
2026 first-round pick (top-10 protected 2026, top-4 protected 2027, unprotected 2028)
2028 first-round pick (top-4 protected 2028 if previous pick conveys in 2026; converts to 2028 second-round pick if not conveyed)

Boston gets:
Damian Lillard
CJ Elleby
Ben McLemore
Tony Snell
Cody Zeller

My two cents. The fucking Celtics get Dame for these players... not one of which is sniffing an all star game in their future and picks rendered useless due to Dame, Tatum, Brown, Williams etc.

Bobby Marks

Portland gets:
Tobias Harris
Tyrese Maxey
Matisse Thybulle
2022 first-round pick (top-10 protected)

Philadelphia gets:
Damian Lillard
Cody Zeller

Not as bad but then the Sixers trade Simmons for a legit PF and win the chip. I don't think Maxey is a future superstar and I know neither of the other two are. That pick is likely in the high 20s

Andre' Snellings

Portland gets:
Collin Sexton
Isaac Okoro
Kevin Love
2022 first-round pick (from CLE)
2022 second-round pick (from HOU)
2024 first-round pick (from CLE)

Cleveland gets:
Damian Lillard
Robert Covington

Sexton has to be extended or matched, Okoro is a role player, Love is an albatross contract and the picks are all basically second rounders when you put Dame with this team that is already over .500 with Sexton out.

Tim Bontemps

Portland gets:
D'Angelo Russell
Taurean Prince
2024 first-round pick (unprotected)
Rights to swap 2025 first-round picks (top-1 protected)
2026 first-round pick (top-3 protected, then becomes unprotected in 2027)
2028 first-round pick (two years after previous pick conveys, top-3 protected 2028, becomes unprotected 2029)

Minnesota gets:
Damian Lillard
Ben McLemore

So Dame for DLo and we get picks from the Lillard, Towns, Edwards era in Minny.

Kevin Arnovitz

Portland gets:
Tyrese Haliburton
Davion Mitchell
Marvin Bagley III
Tristan Thompson
2023 first-round pick (from SAC)

Minnesota gets:
Buddy Hield
Cody Zeller

Sacramento gets:
Damian Lillard
Patrick Beverley
Tony Snell
Jaden McDaniels
2022 second-round pick (from MIN)

Oklahoma City gets:
Jake Layman
2022 second-round pick (from WSH, via MIN)

Well it's a four team deal so I doubt it could even happen but it is the best yield out of these shitty ideas that we get for Dame if we're going to start a rebuild around young players.
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Wow, those are pretty terrible. Seems like Sacramento is the only team that gives up an intriguing prospect, everyone else is basically sending picks as the centerpiece.
 
RR7 said:
Wow, those are pretty terrible. Seems like Sacramento is the only team that gives up an intriguing prospect, everyone else is basically sending picks as the centerpiece.
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And every one of those trades makes the team that gets Dame an instant contender if not title favorite. So the picks are shitty too.
 
blazerkor said:
On a day where Dame said this. The motherfuckers at ESPN had this as their front page story?!?

Five big Damian Lillard trades we want to see the Portland Trail Blazers pursue

I'm just going to give you the trade and the moron who proposed it.

Kevin Pelton

Portland gets:
Juancho Hernangomez
Al Horford
Aaron Nesmith
Payton Pritchard
Dennis Schroder
2022 first-round pick
2024 first-round pick
2026 first-round pick (top-10 protected 2026, top-4 protected 2027, unprotected 2028)
2028 first-round pick (top-4 protected 2028 if previous pick conveys in 2026; converts to 2028 second-round pick if not conveyed)

Boston gets:
Damian Lillard
CJ Elleby
Ben McLemore
Tony Snell
Cody Zeller

My two cents. The fucking Celtics get Dame for these players... not one of which is sniffing an all star game in their future and picks rendered useless due to Dame, Tatum, Brown, Williams etc.

Bobby Marks

Portland gets:
Tobias Harris
Tyrese Maxey
Matisse Thybulle
2022 first-round pick (top-10 protected)

Philadelphia gets:
Damian Lillard
Cody Zeller

Not as bad but then the Sixers trade Simmons for a legit PF and win the chip. I don't think Maxey is a future superstar and I know neither of the other two are. That pick is likely in the high 20s

Andre' Snellings

Portland gets:
Collin Sexton
Isaac Okoro
Kevin Love
2022 first-round pick (from CLE)
2022 second-round pick (from HOU)
2024 first-round pick (from CLE)

Cleveland gets:
Damian Lillard
Robert Covington

Sexton has to be extended or matched, Okoro is a role player, Love is an albatross contract and the picks are all basically second rounders when you put Dame with this team that is already over .500 with Sexton out.

Tim Bontemps

Portland gets:
D'Angelo Russell
Taurean Prince
2024 first-round pick (unprotected)
Rights to swap 2025 first-round picks (top-1 protected)
2026 first-round pick (top-3 protected, then becomes unprotected in 2027)
2028 first-round pick (two years after previous pick conveys, top-3 protected 2028, becomes unprotected 2029)

Minnesota gets:
Damian Lillard
Ben McLemore

So Dame for DLo and we get picks from the Lillard, Towns, Edwards era in Minny.

Kevin Arnovitz

Portland gets:
Tyrese Haliburton
Davion Mitchell
Marvin Bagley III
Tristan Thompson
2023 first-round pick (from SAC)

Minnesota gets:
Buddy Hield
Cody Zeller

Sacramento gets:
Damian Lillard
Patrick Beverley
Tony Snell
Jaden McDaniels
2022 second-round pick (from MIN)

Oklahoma City gets:
Jake Layman
2022 second-round pick (from WSH, via MIN)

Well it's a four team deal so I doubt it could even happen but it is the best yield out of these shitty ideas that we get for Dame if we're going to start a rebuild around young players.
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How do they get away from posting this shit
 
It’s so funny, these mainstream media guys don’t even realize the more they push the idea of him leaving the more he’s gonna wanna stay (not that he wouldn’t stay either way). He does NOT care for people telling him what he should do, and it’d be obvious to anyone who bothered to pay attention.
 
illmatic99 said:
How do they get away from posting this shit
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It's seriously like North Korean propaganda with Dame and us being targeted like the USA. It's senseless. It's incredibly disrespectful to Dame. It also shows how the media looks at our team because it's small market and out here in the PNW by itself. They would never disrespect the Knicks this way and the Knicks have been less relevant than us for a long ass time.
 
julius said:
Exactly. Is John Stockton less of a hero in Utah because they didn't win? Or Karl Malone?

Sure, both are ass clowns...

I'm not interested in Dame winning a tittle, I'm interested in Portland winning a title. And imho, their best chance to do that is with him on the team. How many teams have won titles after trading away a superstar? MAYBE Toronto, but to call DeRozan a superstar is a stretch of all stretches.
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Very good points.
 
Mr. Robot said:
this is a plot

dame wants out, but he doesnt want to say it publicly, so he will get traded and the ownership will say they decided that the rebuild is the best solution going forward
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I sadly agree with this.
 
julius said:
Exactly. Is John Stockton less of a hero in Utah because they didn't win? Or Karl Malone?

Sure, both are ass clowns...

I'm not interested in Dame winning a tittle, I'm interested in Portland winning a title. And imho, their best chance to do that is with him on the team. How many teams have won titles after trading away a superstar? MAYBE Toronto, but to call DeRozan a superstar is a stretch of all stretches.
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Terrible example. Malone didn't finish his career in Utah, so you can't even use that one. Stockton-to-Malone had a heck of a lot of playoff success, of the type Dame hasn't even sniffed. If they had his playoff history, I doubt they'd be nearly as revered.

As to point #2: "their [Portland] best chance to do that is with him on the team." It sounds nice in theory, but it takes rose colored glasses to believe it to be true. With a classic one-way player being the central figure in everything the team does, and sucking up too much of the salary cap to get much help, it's unlikely Dame will ever compete for a championship in Portland, let alone win one. The team will always be trying to cover for its cornerstone.

I'm okay with that, as long as the team is competitive and plays an enjoyable brand of basketball. I just don't share the loyalty-loving delusion that some of you do.
 
Looked over the trades and threw up in my mouth a little cause they were all CRAP and I am being nice by saying they were crap.

ESPN writers please get a clue until then each and everyone of them just GO AWAY -- thanks
 
handiman said:
Terrible example. Malone didn't finish his career in Utah, so you can't even use that one. Stockton-to-Malone had a heck of a lot of playoff success, of the type Dame hasn't even sniffed. If they had his playoff history, I doubt they'd be nearly as revered.

As to point #2: "their [Portland] best chance to do that is with him on the team." It sounds nice in theory, but it takes rose colored glasses to believe it to be true. With a classic one-way player being the central figure in everything the team does, and sucking up too much of the salary cap to get much help, it's unlikely Dame will ever compete for a championship in Portland, let alone win one. The team will always be trying to cover for its cornerstone.

I'm okay with that, as long as the team is competitive and plays an enjoyable brand of basketball. I just don't share the loyalty-loving delusion that some of you do.
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It's about not winning a title in a city (because they weren't traded away). Not comparing their success.

Jeesh.
 
You know whats funny about people harping about the extension?

He can't ask for one now, and didn't ask for one. And even if he did, when it would happen, the salary cap is most likely going to be 50-75 million more than it is now.
 
julius said:
Exactly. Is John Stockton less of a hero in Utah because they didn't win? Or Karl Malone?

Sure, both are ass clowns...
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Did you just...I think you just called Lillard an ass clown! Wow. Uncalled for, man.
 
My creative take (all is imho):

Dame points out that he always was the underdog, high school, college, etc. Like Rodney Dangerfield, no respect. In a way Portland is sort of the same thing. Nobody fucking talks about the blazers, they are an afterthought even when better than the Lakers.

The way Dame will really make history is staying in Portland and doing it his way, not KD's way, not Lebron's way. To be blunt KD's GSW ring and Lebron's bubble ring don't mean as much as others. What is impressive about texting friends and making a superteam? Fucking nothing and Lillard knows this perfectly well.

If, and a big IF, Dame could pull it off in Portland his way, it would be a really really big deal. A victory for all the "little guys", from a small market, no name college etc.

It would, hopefully, turn the Blazers into an organization that will attract the next Dame, a player who refuses to get a ring the easy way. i.e. Portland will fucking pay you and support you, fans included. The last thing I would want is a bunch of douchebag celebrities, who know shit about the game, courtside at MODA like they do at a Lakers/Nicks game. Going to be seen and not to watch.

I think GSW moving to SF impacted Dame a lot because GSW was all guys like him from Oakland had. Now it moved across the bay so non-fanatics can pay millions to be seen at games. He knows full well the Blazers are all we have in Portland and he is not going to take that away. I believe he really thinks he can do it here, especially now that NO is out. (I am getting misty...)

Hopefully, the example he is setting will impact young guys in the league, and even younger. Sure, most may well want the KD superteam path, but if you are a player that wants to do it for real then come to Portland. Boutique basketball.

On the other hand, he may ask out next week. Ha!
 
Cugel said:
My creative take (all is imho):

Dame points out that he always was the underdog, high school, college, etc. Like Rodney Dangerfield, no respect. In a way Portland is sort of the same thing. Nobody fucking talks about the blazers, they are an afterthought even when better than the Lakers.

The way Dame will really make history is staying in Portland and doing it his way, not KD's way, not Lebron's way. To be blunt KD's GSW ring and Lebron's bubble ring don't mean as much as others. What is impressive about texting friends and making a superteam? Fucking nothing and Lillard knows this perfectly well.

If, and a big IF, Dame could pull it off in Portland his way, it would be a really really big deal. A victory for all the "little guys", from a small market, no name college etc.

It would, hopefully, turn the Blazers into an organization that will attract the next Dame, a player who refuses to get a ring the easy way. i.e. Portland will fucking pay you and support you, fans included. The last thing I would want is a bunch of douchebag celebrities, who know shit about the game, courtside at MODA like they do at a Lakers/Nicks game. Going to be seen and not to watch.

I think GSW moving to SF impacted Dame a lot because GSW was all guys like him from Oakland had. Now it moved across the bay so non-fanatics can pay millions to be seen at games. He knows full well the Blazers are all we have in Portland and he is not going to take that away. I believe he really thinks he can do it here, especially now that NO is out. (I am getting misty...)

Hopefully, the example he is setting will impact young guys in the league, and even younger. Sure, most may well want the KD superteam path, but if you are a player that wants to do it for real then come to Portland. Boutique basketball.

On the other hand, he may ask out next week. Ha!
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Lillard just saw the Bucks do what he wants to do...he knows it's possible.
 
All these National Media Assclowns give zero fucks if Portland ends up in Basketball Purgatory for decades. It's all about the major markets. It seems like only Blazer Fans can see through their agenda driven drivel. The compensation suggested in return, is laughable at best. A player the caliber of Dame, who is all about loyalty, come around once in a generation if your lucky. Even if the Blazers lucked out, and one future draft pick hit, that player is more than likely to say see ya, when his contract was up for extension. Dame is a rare breed. One that Portland, will likely, never see again. And if the team does get sold, it will likely be worth, half to three quarters of a billion dollars less, if Dame is traded. Sounds like an extra 100 mil. is a pretty good investment.
 
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