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More from Brad Botkin on Blazer D:
"Lillard heads a backcourt that is constantly beat at the point of attack, putting everyone else in scramble mode to help down on the penetration while still covering out shooters. It's a suicide mission. A couple passes, and offenses can get any shot they want against the Blazers, who are starting every possession in an 0-2 hole, thanks to Lillard and McCollum.

That doesn't mean they should get all the blame. Jusuf Nurkic isn't a particularly good pick-and-roll defender, and Billups asking him to play at the level of screens isn't exactly putting him in position to succeed. Robert Covington is not a very good on-ball defender. Norman Powell tries and has long arms, but he's often undersized in his matchups as well. You can't blame Lillard for the 145 points Portland gave up to the Celtics on Saturday. He didn't play. "
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
This guy wonders if Lillard will expect Simmons to compensate for his own bad defense. He was once a big fan of Lillard's but really questions his effort.
"But that doesn't exonerate Lillard, who sets the tone for this entire franchise. And for too long, that tone has been deaf to defense. Let's say this Simmons deal does eventually happen and the Blazers suddenly become a contender on paper. Would Lillard then start to pull his weight, or would he just expect Simmons to do his dirty work for him? You can't hide forever in the NBA. Playoff offenses, certainly in deeper rounds, are going to spotlight the weakest link.
He is a defensive doormat, plain and simple, and it has never seemed to bother him enough to do anything about it. He doesn't contain penetration. He doesn't stay focused for full possessions. He doesn't consistently fight over or through screens. He's often out of position, even if it's just a step or two, somewhere between over-helping and not-helping at all. He doesn't sprint back in transition. "https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...icism-but-hes-at-the-core-of-blazers-problem/
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he’s right, to a degree. Much easier to hide one shit defender than two, and CJ is worse anyway.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
This guy wonders if Lillard will expect Simmons to compensate for his own bad defense. He was once a big fan of Lillard's but really questions his effort.
"But that doesn't exonerate Lillard, who sets the tone for this entire franchise. And for too long, that tone has been deaf to defense. Let's say this Simmons deal does eventually happen and the Blazers suddenly become a contender on paper. Would Lillard then start to pull his weight, or would he just expect Simmons to do his dirty work for him? You can't hide forever in the NBA. Playoff offenses, certainly in deeper rounds, are going to spotlight the weakest link.
He is a defensive doormat, plain and simple, and it has never seemed to bother him enough to do anything about it. He doesn't contain penetration. He doesn't stay focused for full possessions. He doesn't consistently fight over or through screens. He's often out of position, even if it's just a step or two, somewhere between over-helping and not-helping at all. He doesn't sprint back in transition. "https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...icism-but-hes-at-the-core-of-blazers-problem/
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there's a lot of bullshit in that article. The comparison to Curry is particular bullshit.

Curry played with Klay, Iggy, Draymond, Livingston, Durant, Barnes. When the Blazers and Warriors played, Curry never guarded Dame, while Dame often guarded Curry. Curry didn't have to guard Dame because the Warriors had the luxury of hiding Curry while throwing all their length at Dame. Dame didn't have that luxury because Olshey joined him at the hip to 6'3 CJ and his t-rex arms

not only that, Curry always had the luxury of Draymond to run the offense (as well as Iggy & Livingston). meanwhile, Dame had the dual burden of running the team offense and creating his own offense because the rest of the blazers couldn't create for him. Dame has had assisted FG rate around 25% while Curry's rates have been over 50%. Maybe if Dame had the all-star talent around him that curry has had he wouldn't have had to expend so much energy on offense and would have had a little more to spend on defense

the situations of Curry and Dame have been really quite different on the defensive end and all the advantages were in Curry's corner

I'm not excusing all of Dame's defensive flaws...he has them for sure. I just think Curry is a wildly misleading comp
 
Mr. Robot said:
morey has been saying hes not trading simmons unless they get an all-star for him

well see, this shit is 4d chess
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There are plenty of posters here who can tell Morey that CJ is an all-star talent, he just needs the great coaching of Glenn Rivers...
 
If we aren’t rebuilding than go all in. CJ/Nas/1st/1 pick swap for Simmons

Nurk/1st for Turner

Dame/DSJ
Powell/Ant
RoCo/Nance
Simmons/GB3
Turner/Zeller

Would like to unload RoCo but I doubt his value is very high right now.
 
I think if we trade CJ in the Simmons trade we need Ant more than Little.
 
No to trading Nassir. Agreed that we'd need Ant once CJ is gone. I'd give up CJ, Roco and multiple picks plus swaps.
 
Freshtown said:
Dang. This guy is pretty well connected to phillys FO.

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If you brought them a deal that was CJ, RoCo and two first rounders for Simmons, Reed and Joe I think they'd do it. Doc would think he could get more out of CJ and RoCo than we've been getting and you're just adding them to the team you're already playing with. I doubt they could get a better deal than that. Also the deals that Neil was pitching were bullshit... I read in multiple places that our FO was saying that Simmons for CJ was a one for one deal, well if Cronin has a brain in his head that has changed. Also I don't believe anything that Philly floats out to the media, it's a bargaining ploy. The fact that their floating CJs name even if it's to say they're not interested means they're still thinking about CJ.

Despite the fact that we keep harping on the way RoCo is suffering in this new system he's still averaging 1 steal and 1 block a game and shooting the three at over 36%. CJ as much as we hate what he does to the flow of the offense is shooting the ball at 39% from three, getting 20 a game and actually getting a steal a game. The fact is that neither Seth or Maxey are better than CJ. They're both playing the best ball of their careers right now but they'll look different once teams start game planning for them and actually has lately.

So they can get CJ and still have both Seth and Maxey. They can get another three and D guy that would be a big time contributor to them in RoCo. They'd never have to worry about the scoring droughts that have been their Achilles heal for a while now. The fact is they're hovering around .500 and they need more. We could give them that extra personnel that they need and some future draft considerations. They would give us their headache. That headache, Simmons would be so glad just to be out of that situation that he would come here wanting to prove the Sixers and all of the other doubters that they fucked up. It's a rare win win.
 
Mr. Robot said:
id be willing to trade for kyrie if we cant get better fit (simmons)

hes a nutcase, but hes much better player than cj mccollum and he doesnt want to get vaccinated and hes of no use to brooklyn, so they might agree on a deal for cj mccollum

in that case, either move powell to the bench or trade him for a wing
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Or trade Dame for Simmons.


Kyrie/Powell/Little/Simmons/Nurk is a contender.
 
TBpup said:
Don't Dame/CJ usually sit next to each other?

Not tonight....
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they have never sat next to each other for 9 seasons. cj always sits at the end of the bench, while dame is the first player next to the coaches.
 
illmatic99 said:
they have never sat next to each other for 9 seasons. cj always sits at the end of the bench, while dame is the first player next to the coaches.
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...what! I never realized MeJ takes it to the bench too, wow :dunno:
 
Billups press conference after the game was interesting. Someone asked him about Cronin, and he said he’s actually been in constant communication with him lately, talking about the roster. Sounds like Chauncey has a lot of opinions about it and they’re getting heard. I get the sense there’s gonna be changes coming, maybe sooner than later.

Towards the end
 
The more I think about it, why would Morey trade Simmons for CJ & some? He will end up getting a much better fit for his team before the deadline I bet. He will get a lengthy, athletic younger wing that can shoot that just my gut feel. If he was that high on CJ a deal would have been done but he's betting on himself that he can do better when things start to heat up before trade deadline. Thats been his strategy from day 1. He went on record that he wanted Dame, what he was doing , was proclaiming you want Ben now and keep me from waiting, penny up.
 
Hoopguru said:
The more I think about it, why would Morey trade Simmons for CJ & some? He will end up getting a much better fit for his team before the deadline I bet. He will get a lengthy, athletic younger wing that can shoot that just my gut feel. If he was that high on CJ a deal would have been done but he's betting on himself that he can do better when things start to heat up before trade deadline. Thats been his strategy from day 1. He went on record that he wanted Dame, what he was doing , was proclaiming you want Ben now and keep me from waiting, penny up.
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Will he get a better fit? I'm not so sure. I think the longer it goes , the less compensation he gets. I don't think teams are clamoring for Simmons right now. Except maybe the Blazers who have enough dynamic scoring guards to be able to best utilize Simmons abilities while being able to absorb his shooting deficiencies.
 
Simmons is a good player, but Morey needs to stop pretending like he’s not a deeply flawed player in his own right. Like what’s the value of a guy that probably shouldn’t even be on the court late in games? Both Simmons and CJ have major flaws. One is younger so Portland should give more than just CJ, but the gap between the two really isn’t that great.
 
tykendo said:
Will he get a better fit? I'm not so sure. I think the longer it goes , the less compensation he gets. I don't think teams are clamoring for Simmons right now. Except maybe the Blazers who have enough dynamic scoring guards to be able to best utilize Simmons abilities while being able to absorb his shooting deficiencies.
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We will see. I dont want to lose Dame at all, but I didnt want to sell my classic 57 Chevy either. My wife need a new car and I agreed to sell it get her car, but Im buying a new boat. Done
 
id say the gap between the two is pretty big

simmons is 3x all-star, 2x nba all defensive first team, all nba third team, dpoy caliber player, playmaker & rebounder

cj mccollum is a really good scorer (but not a great one) and thats the only thing hes better at than simmons and he offers nothing else (he can create for others a little bit, when hes willing to do so)
 
Lots to unpack here.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...t-more-changes-after-portland-execs-dismissal

Over the weekend, Lillard, Billups and Cronin sat down for their first organized meeting, according to one source with knowledge of the situation, to discuss the next steps for a franchise that has greater visions than struggling to make the playoffs. Cronin is considered well-liked and respected among Blazers staffers, yet like many cap-savvy strategists promoted to the big chair before him, he has not had extensive, direct dealings with other teams' top brass.
 
illmatic99 said:
Lots to unpack here.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...t-more-changes-after-portland-execs-dismissal

Over the weekend, Lillard, Billups and Cronin sat down for their first organized meeting, according to one source with knowledge of the situation, to discuss the next steps for a franchise that has greater visions than struggling to make the playoffs. Cronin is considered well-liked and respected among Blazers staffers, yet like many cap-savvy strategists promoted to the big chair before him, he has not had extensive, direct dealings with other teams' top brass.
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Might have to use Chauncey's connections around the league if we want to make a deal? Maybe that will give us an idea at if he would be a decent GM/Coach, even if I don't think that is a good idea.

Idk, it seems like making a deal that improves the team is going to is going to be an uphill battle. Fingers are still crossed.
 
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