Zombie Damian Lillard to request trade in coming days (nope, he's not.)

[sheed30]

I’m honestly starting to lean that way. If you can get a top 4 pick for CJ, not sure if that’s actually true, but if you could….. you deal Dame for a big haul and start over. You could get a legit couple of potential superstars.

Hahaha. This guy, how anyone thinks trading Dame now for the long haul is good. Smh

 

[sheed30]

They messed it up by taking fultz.

The process was widely bashed, there is wayyyy more examples of teams going that route and still being in the gutter years later than Philly and the process. That was an rare instance.

Trading Dame isn't an intelligent option

 

[KSF-ERIC]

They messed it up by taking fultz.

Yep. And Nerlens Noel. And Okafor. They had several cracks at it and all they have is a flawed Simmons and an oft injured Embiid. Hasn't gotten them to ECF. I wonder if they hold onto to Jrue Holiday and not go The Process route. I can't imagine they'd do any worse.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

The process was widely bashed, there is wayyyy more examples of teams going that route and still being in the gutter years later than Philly and the process. That was an rare instance.

How do small market teams get stars? How did we get lillard? Through the draft? Imagine we drafted well and had three consecutive top 10 picks to grab three high level players.

That's how a small market team CAN win.

The process is more likely to get us a championship than neil running it back with the same team.

No need to name call.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Hahaha. This guy, how anyone thinks trading Dame now for the long haul is good. Smh

Is Dame not 31?

Age is undefeated last time I checked.

Either go all in and trade our picks to bring in a star. Or blow it up.

Stop with this treadmill non contender bullshit we have been doing.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Yep. And Nerlens Noel. And Okafor. They had several cracks at it and all they have is a flawed Simmons and an oft injured Embiid. Hasn't gotten them to ECF. I wonder if they hold onto to Jrue Holiday and not go The Process route. I can't imagine they'd do any worse.

Get a better scout team. The point is they had opportunities. Better than us running it back so we can maybe get to the 2nd round if we are lucky.

 

[Natebishop3]

Is Dame not 31?

Age is undefeated last time I checked.

Either go all in and trade our picks to bring in a star. Or blow it up.

Stop with this treadmill non contender bullshit we have been doing.

The clock is ticking. At this point, the chances of building a contender around Dame is slim to none. But if you trade Dame for a massive haul, and get a top 3 pick, you are set up for a very bright future. The alternative is you hold onto Dame for another four years, don't do anything significant, and now you're starting at square one.

We could get quite a bit of value out of Dame, CJ, Nurk, and Norm (sign and trade).

 

[SlyPokerCat]

The clock is ticking. At this point, the chances of building a contender around Dame is slim to none. But if you trade Dame for a massive haul, and get a top 3 pick, you are set up for a very bright future. The alternative is you hold onto Dame for another four years, don't do anything significant, and now you're starting at square one.

We could get quite a bit of value out of Dame, CJ, Nurk, and Norm (sign and trade).

Yeah, i mean, i don't want to trade Dame. Love watching him play. But i'm sick of being a treadmill team. Get him a KAT, Jimmy Butler, Paul George whoever sidekick or start over. None of this run it back bullshit.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeah, i mean, i don't want to trade Dame. Love watching him play. But i'm sick of being a treadmill team. Get him a KAT, Jimmy Butler, Paul George whoever sidekick or start over. None of this run it back bullshit.

Let's say the rumor isn't bullshit and you can trade CJ for the #3. You get Mobley and then you trade Dame to Boston for Marcus Smart and Jaylen Brown and picks. At that point you could either move Roco and Nurk to another team like Golden State, or keep them and you actually have a pretty formidable starting lineup.

Smart
Brown
RoCo
Mobley
Nurk

Brown is legit and Mobley is supposed to be AD 2.0. There's just a much brighter future if you blow it up at this point.

 

[sheed30]

How do small market teams get stars? How did we get lillard? Through the draft? Imagine we drafted well and had three consecutive top 10 picks to grab three high level players.

That's how a small market team CAN win.

The process is more likely to get us a championship than neil running it back with the same team.

No need to name call.

But... now that is not the ONLY way a small market team can win...what about Bucks? They just made a bunch of trades to fill better players around him. What about the 2000 Blazers that made it to the WCF that was built on a offseason of trades?

The route you are going talking about is the worse out of all, ya you want to trade away our franchise best player who gives us the best chance to win a ring, to rebuild lol.
Players like Dame don’t come around often and players that are loyal to Portland and actually want to stay never come around lol, for that you try your best to build a championship team around him at all costs.
The only way you trade him is if he comes out and stays I want out.

what name calling? Hilarious, seems the mods here have a soft spot for someone

 

[blazerkor]

The clock is ticking. At this point, the chances of building a contender around Dame is slim to none. But if you trade Dame for a massive haul, and get a top 3 pick, you are set up for a very bright future. The alternative is you hold onto Dame for another four years, don't do anything significant, and now you're starting at square one.

We could get quite a bit of value out of Dame, CJ, Nurk, and Norm (sign and trade).

I think Dame has 3-4 years left where he'll be in the MVP conversation if he has the right team around him and 2 more years where he's at an all star level. So if we can get a Ben Simmons for CJ and picks, then get Norm to re-sing, then get a good return for Nurk and sign Bobby Portis on the taxpayer MLE... we have a contender right there with 2 or 5 years to spare.

Dame, Norm, RoCo, Simmons, Portis, Nurk trade, Ant, Nas, DJ... contender

 

[sheed30]

The clock is ticking. At this point, the chances of building a contender around Dame is slim to none. But if you trade Dame for a massive haul, and get a top 3 pick, you are set up for a very bright future. The alternative is you hold onto Dame for another four years, don't do anything significant, and now you're starting at square one.

We could get quite a bit of value out of Dame, CJ, Nurk, and Norm (sign and trade).

and what happens if the 3 pick doesn’t pan out, then what? It’s too much of a risk:.I would rather ride with Dame for another 4 years and give it our best each year to win a ring, and then after those 4 years dame will surely be gone and we can do our rebuilding then.

rushing to trade dame now is a move that could also very much backfire

 

[SIeepwalker]

I don’t think he wants to leave. He has built an empire here

"RC2, you asked me if I was in the basketball business or the money business. Neither. I'm in the empire business

 

[Mr. Robot]

im sure dame lillard dreams about having a statue outside "moda center" and thats gonna happen for sure if he remains loyal for his entire career, but if he leaves, maybe he still gets one, but im not sure it would be a sure thing

going elsewhere to chase a ring, which there is no gurantee he will win, sounds risky, when he can stay where he is, remain loyal, try to win it here and even if he fails, hell get a statue and be considered a legend and hero forever

in my mind (im not a player, but im thinking like one), that matters and its worth more than a chip elsewhere

 

[SlyPokerCat]

But... now that is not the ONLY way a small market team can win...what about Bucks? They just made a bunch of trades to fill better players around him. What about the 2000 Blazers that made it to the WCF that was built on a offseason of trades?

The route you are going talking about is the worse out of all, ya you want to trade away our franchise best player who gives us the best chance to win a ring, to rebuild lol.
Players like Dame don’t come around often and players that are loyal to Portland and actually want to stay never come around lol, for that you try your best to build a championship team around him at all costs.
The only way you trade him is if he comes out and stays I want out.

what name calling? Hilarious, seems the mods here have a soft spot for someone

You insulted the intelligence of other posters. What does that have to do with the mods? Your post is still up.

Yes, the Bucks did win the finals without blowing it up. They got Giannis through the draft. They traded for Middleton and Holiday.

I've said multiple times. I want to keep lillard. I want us to make a go for it trade. Lets make it happen.

Absent that, how did the Warriors win a title? They drafted Klay and Barnes and Curry and Green (2nd round). The other 3 were all lotto picks setting themselves up to win their first title.

The draft is THE best tool for a small market to get talent. The process isn't a for sure thing, it just gives us an opprtunity to acquire lots of top talent.

We are not close as is. Lillard is getting older. So go for it or blow it up.

The bucks went for it by trading for Holiday.

 

[Hoopguru]

I think Dame has 3-4 years left where he'll be in the MVP conversation if he has the right team around him and 2 more years where he's at an all star level. So if we can get a Ben Simmons for CJ and picks, then get Norm to re-sing, then get a good return for Nurk and sign Bobby Portis on the taxpayer MLE... we have a contender right there with 2 or 5 years to spare.

Dame, Norm, RoCo, Simmons, Portis, Nurk trade, Ant, Nas, DJ... contender

I do think that Dame even at 31 has at least 5 years of high caliber ball left if he can stay away from injuries. His health is excellent and takes care of his body.
Dame has been on record sayoingn that if I go ring chasing and it doesn't work out and get traded elsewhere, thats something he wants to avoid.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Philly did this and they wound up with Simmons and Embiid and have never made the ECF despite getting the #1 seed. And now they want to get rid of Simmons. We already have a legit superstar. Need to build a better team around him. We can do it.

They fired Sam Hinkie and his successors (including the burner guy- remember that?) fucked it up. Imagine that they take Tatum, Fox or Donovan Mitchell instead of Fultz. Imagine that they DON'T trade Mikal Bridges for Zhaire Smith? They were THISCLOSE.

You give yourself more chances to hit this way, and it's the ONLY way to stockpile assets for the trades you need to finish the job (see: Bucks, Jrue). Now, OKC is going TOO FAR, imo, but let's see how Presti's crazy pick-hoarding plays out.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Because it’s how you get superstars. It’s how they got Lillard. They don’t have enough assets to get enough in return to be a contender in my opinion. Even IF somehow CJ + got them a better player back, then what? They aren’t matching Steph/Klay/Dray/wiseman or Kawhi/PG or Lebron/AD and whoever they add, or the Bucks or Nets and so on. They might - might be near Denver. What about Utah? So the option is just ride it out which should be super enjoyable around here, or get a clean slate and go after studs in the draft. We know how free agency works here.

But is Olshey really the guy to build something like that? He hasn't been great in the first round... And his free agent targets usually end up as busts as well. He lost Aldridge for nothing, and now he's pissed Dame off.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The clock is ticking. At this point, the chances of building a contender around Dame is slim to none. But if you trade Dame for a massive haul, and get a top 3 pick, you are set up for a very bright future. The alternative is you hold onto Dame for another four years, don't do anything significant, and now you're starting at square one.

We could get quite a bit of value out of Dame, CJ, Nurk, and Norm (sign and trade).

Or you could try this season and trade Dame next season for a similar haul.

This is a good draft. But still, Dame will be just as valuable next season.

 

[wizenheimer]

How do small market teams get stars? How did we get lillard? Through the draft? Imagine we drafted well and had three consecutive top 10 picks to grab three high level players.

That's how a small market team CAN win.

The process is more likely to get us a championship than neil running it back with the same team.

No need to name call.

all true....for instance:

11 POR Meyers Leonard
35 GSW Draymond Green
39 DET Khris Middleton
40 POR Will Barton

10 POR CJ McCollum
15 MIL Giannis Antetokounmpo

19 DEN Malik Beasley (traded in the Afflalo trade)
27 TOR Pascal Siakam
36 MIL Malcolm Brogdon

10 SAC Zach Collins
13 DEN Donovan Mitchell
14 MIA Bam Adebayo
19 ATL John Collins
22 BRK Jarrett Allen
23 TOR OG Anunoby
26 POR Caleb Swanigan
29 SAS Derrick White
30 UTA Josh Hart
42 UTA Thomas Bryant
45 HOU Dillon Brooks

now, this isn't my usual Olshey-bashing. The point is there are always opportunities in the draft to build a contender. Even without being a trash team with high lottery picks, Portland has had chances to not only build a contender but a dynasty. I mean, Giannis and Dame together? c'mon

they aren't going to do it thru free-agency. And with the poor asset base that Olshey has developed (bashing mode back on) they are unlikely to do it thru trade. It has to be the draft

 

[SlyPokerCat]

all true....for instance:

11 POR Meyers Leonard
35 GSW Draymond Green
39 DET Khris Middleton
40 POR Will Barton

10 POR CJ McCollum
15 MIL Giannis Antetokounmpo

19 DEN Malik Beasley (traded in the Afflalo trade)
27 TOR Pascal Siakam
36 MIL Malcolm Brogdon

10 SAC Zach Collins
13 DEN Donovan Mitchell
14 MIA Bam Adebayo
19 ATL John Collins
22 BRK Jarrett Allen
23 TOR OG Anunoby
26 POR Caleb Swanigan
29 SAS Derrick White
30 UTA Josh Hart
42 UTA Thomas Bryant
45 HOU Dillon Brooks

now, this isn't my usual Olshey-bashing. The point is there are always opportunities in the draft to build a contender. Even without being a trash team with high lottery picks, Portland has had chances to not only build a contender but a dynasty. I mean, Giannis and Dame together? c'mon

they aren't going to do it thru free-agency. And with the poor asset base that Olshey has developed (bashing mode back on) they are unlikely to do it thru trade. It has to be the draft

Yep. Dame and Giannis keeps me up at night. I love watching both those guys and they would be perfect for each other.

Either we are all in on Dame and make the trades sacrificing our future by using picks and a player to get another star, or we blow it up and acquire as many assets as possible to try to draft multiple stars. Anything in the middle is a waste of time for Dame and fans that want to see a championship.

 

[sheed30]

You insulted the intelligence of other posters. What does that have to do with the mods? Your post is still up.

Yes, the Bucks did win the finals without blowing it up. They got Giannis through the draft. They traded for Middleton and Holiday.

I've said multiple times. I want to keep lillard. I want us to make a go for it trade. Lets make it happen.

Absent that, how did the Warriors win a title? They drafted Klay and Barnes and Curry and Green (2nd round). The other 3 were all lotto picks setting themselves up to win their first title.

The draft is THE best tool for a small market to get talent. The process isn't a for sure thing, it just gives us an opprtunity to acquire lots of top talent.

We are not close as is. Lillard is getting older. So go for it or blow it up.

The bucks went for it by trading for Holiday.

I stated I don’t think it’s intelligent for fans to want to trade Dame now, that’s my opinion. That was not name calling lol.

Yes you are bring up the rare trio of Golden state that was all drafted by there team.

I will also add the Spurs to that list too, Duncan, Parker and Manu.

But those are the only two teams in the last how many years to actually draft players that formed a championship. Can you name some others? also, why didn’t you mention two huge pieces to that first GS championship that was huge additions. Bogut was traded for Ellis, and Iggy who was the Finals MVP was signed the summer before.
It’s very rare, and yes I would go that route too but not when we have our franchise best player who is the loyal to Portland and wants to win a ring. Players like Dame don’t come around often, we should try our best till the end to win with him , point blank. You also risk the chance of someone we drafted wanting to go to a bigger market as well. So many what if’s. It’s not worth the risk imo

 

[sheed30]

all true....for instance:

11 POR Meyers Leonard
35 GSW Draymond Green
39 DET Khris Middleton
40 POR Will Barton

10 POR CJ McCollum
15 MIL Giannis Antetokounmpo

19 DEN Malik Beasley (traded in the Afflalo trade)
27 TOR Pascal Siakam
36 MIL Malcolm Brogdon

10 SAC Zach Collins
13 DEN Donovan Mitchell
14 MIA Bam Adebayo
19 ATL John Collins
22 BRK Jarrett Allen
23 TOR OG Anunoby
26 POR Caleb Swanigan
29 SAS Derrick White
30 UTA Josh Hart
42 UTA Thomas Bryant
45 HOU Dillon Brooks

now, this isn't my usual Olshey-bashing. The point is there are always opportunities in the draft to build a contender. Even without being a trash team with high lottery picks, Portland has had chances to not only build a contender but a dynasty. I mean, Giannis and Dame together? c'mon

they aren't going to do it thru free-agency. And with the poor asset base that Olshey has developed (bashing mode back on) they are unlikely to do it thru trade. It has to be the draft

Well it could go the other way, 9 teams before us passed on Cj. 5 other teams passed on Dame before us..what you Posted there is in hindsight, it’s always easier to look in hindsight and say what if after.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

I stated I don’t think it’s intelligent for fans to want to trade Dame now, that’s my opinion. That was not name calling lol.

Yes you are bring up the rare trio of Golden state that was all drafted by there team.

I will also add the Spurs to that list too, Duncan, Parker and Manu.

But those are the only two teams in the last how many years to actually draft players that formed a championship. Can you name some others? also, why didn’t you mention two huge pieces to that first GS championship that was huge additions. Bogut was traded for Ellis, and Iggy who was the Finals MVP was signed the summer before.
It’s very rare, and yes I would go that route too but not when we have our franchise best player who is the loyal to Portland and wants to win a ring. Players like Dame don’t come around often, we should try our best till the end to win with him , point blank. You also risk the chance of someone we drafted wanting to go to a bigger market as well. So many what if’s. It’s not worth the risk imo

No. You insulted other posters intelligence. Just own it bruh.

Then go all in with Dame. Make a trade for another star. Don't waste his time when he wants to win and run it back.

That's the point. If you're not going to do that they are wasting everyones time. Rebuild or go all in.

The thunder made the finals and were considered a contender for awhile because drumroll.....they drafted multiple stars.

 

[wizenheimer]

Well it could go the other way, 9 teams before us passed on Cj. 5 other teams passed on Dame before us..what you Posted there is in hindsight, it’s always easier to look in hindsight and say what if after.

wut?

of course it was hindsight. Hindsight is one of the most valuable commodities on earth. It's why if you burn your hand on a hot stove you're unlikely to do that again

I wasn't criticizing....what I was doing was showing the value of having draft picks. The opportunities have been there for Portland to build a dynasty. They just missed. That does not mean however, that those draft picks had less value because Portland missed. Not at all. What it means is that value would have been insane if they had hit instead of missed

 

[calvin natt]

Did you miss the playoffs where Milwaukee only has 1 mega star and a Star and a bunch of good players and they just WON the whole thing now granted in the WEST it is much harder but it could be done. If some of you fans just want to throw in the towel and have this defeatist attitude then whatever but it's sad.

I will admit NeO has a mixed bag in results but I am not totally sold that he should get all the blame he does but we are getting to the point where it's time to PUT UP or be Fired for NeO. He has a near impossible mission but I do think there is a chance he could pull it off cause there are a few stupid teams ( GM's ) out there that cannot help themselves but screw it up -- Cav's / Kings / Wolves etc so there should be some hope even if it might be low in odds.

Relying on stupid teams to give them an all star seems like a bad strategy. I knew if the Bucks won it (during a year and playoffs with half the stars out hurt) it would immediately be “see they did it we can too”, when in reality go luck at the last 30 years. The Bucks are a unicorn.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Relying on stupid teams to give them an all star seems like a bad strategy. I knew if the Bucks won it (during a year and playoffs with half the stars out hurt) it would immediately be “see they did it we can too”, when in reality go luck at the last 30 years. The Bucks are a unicorn.

Giannis is the unicorn. MVP, DPOY, and now champ. The list of guys to do that is very short. The list of guys to do that by his age is one name long.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Giannis is a better player than Dame.

Khris middleton is better than CJ.

Jrue Holiday is better than Normal Powell.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Hilarious, seems the mods here have a soft spot for someone

We have a no cat policy except for the ones that can play poker.

 

[Chris Craig]

Did you miss the playoffs where Milwaukee only has 1 mega star and a Star and a bunch of good players and they just WON the whole thing now granted in the WEST it is much harder but it could be done. If some of you fans just want to throw in the towel and have this defeatist attitude then whatever but it's sad.

I will admit NeO has a mixed bag in results but I am not totally sold that he should get all the blame he does but we are getting to the point where it's time to PUT UP or be Fired for NeO. He has a near impossible mission but I do think there is a chance he could pull it off cause there are a few stupid teams ( GM's ) out there that cannot help themselves but screw it up -- Cav's / Kings / Wolves etc so there should be some hope even if it might be low in odds.

Mission impossible indeed.



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