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Lanny said:
Next season and the one after that, Lillard will be a Blazer.
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I could see him here for this upcoming season... after that if there's no vast improvement, he's gonna request a trade.
 
blazerkor said:
That's still not how I would read it. I think Dame gave them the mandate to make the roster better and he'll see if those changes are good enough during the first part of the season and if they weren't urgent enough he'll want traded at the deadline. I know it was before he met with Neil and Chauncey later that day but in his presser he was asked if Chauncey could be a big enough difference to satisfy what Dame needs and he flat out said no.

Also I just don't buy the idea that running it back is a real option. There are a lot of teams that like Norm and the Knicks are one of them and they can pay him just as much as we can. So if Norm has to choose between going to the Knicks where he'll get to defend guards instead of guys the size of MPJ and doesn't have to take the scraps from two ball dominant back court scorers like Dame and CJ... I think he'll choose the Knicks unless the money is significantly different, which I don't see why it would be.
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You could be right, but I see an awful lot of Debbie Downer supposition in your posts. It's certainly not obvious or knowable. It's possible and conjecture.
 
PCmor7 said:
You could be right, but I see an awful lot of Debbie Downer supposition in your posts. It's certainly not obvious or knowable. It's possible and conjecture.
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You're right it is conjecture. There are a ton of different things that could happen... most of which end up with Dame staying since he does want to be here and is just starting a supermax extension.
 
The truth is that both the local and national media got Blazers fans to go along with a slow moving coup to oust Damian Lillard. All the hysteria about Billups and the constant denigration of Neil Olshey is what almost did it.

There are so many stupid fans who feed into it just because of what the media says.

I may have clicked in this thread two or three times max because I knew it was BS.

Do better. Don't feed it.
 
AmirIcon said:
The truth is that both the local and national media got Blazers fans to go along with a slow moving coup to oust Damian Lillard. All the hysteria about Billups and the constant denigration of Neil Olshey is what almost did it.

There are so many stupid fans who feed into it just because of what the media says.

I may have clicked in this thread two or three times max because I knew it was BS.

Do better. Don't feed it.
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I think most fans are sick of the stagnation and condescension of Neil Olshey... I don't think that has anything to do with media influence. Dame is also sick of the stagnation, no one wants to oust him, we're afraid that due to the way Neil handles things he will abandon us and don't blame him if he does.
 
blazerkor said:
I still think that the trade that makes the most sense and will happen is us getting Ben Simmons for CJ and some combination of future picks, Ant and/or Nas. I think that both Morey and Olshey seem to be letting stuff leak to the media that shows they're jockeying for position in this trade. Besides Beal, I don't see another player available that has what the Sixers desperately need. CJ is just too good of a fit and while if Philly traded for Beal they would have to be the ones sending assets, if they trade for CJ they'd get extra assets.

I honestly think it will just be CJ and three future firsts for Simmons. I think then it will be up to Chauncey and Neil to figure out if they like the idea of Nurk and Simmons playing together or if they'd rather get a 3 and D post like Boucher for Nurk.

I mean, if Morey wants CJ for Simmons I'm keeping Simmons not flipping a three way trade for Siakam. What Simmons brings right now is better than Siakam and what he could be is light years away from Siakam's potential. I realize there is an issue with fit regarding Nurk but Nurk can be moved when we are getting a potential superstar.
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That’s crazy to me to think that getting Simmons and not Pascal for CJ is better lol.

Do you guys really have short memory? Simmons has sooooo many flaws to his game, it takes away from what he brings to the table.

I don’t even want to go into his flaws, guys if we have Simmons in the floors at any point then hack a Simmons can and will happen. Nate McMillan just exposed him badly. Stay away from Simmons!
 
sheed30 said:
That’s crazy to me to think that getting Simmons and not Pascal for CJ is better lol.

Do you guys really have short memory? Simmons has sooooo many flaws to his game, it takes away from what he brings to the table.

I don’t even want to go into his flaws, guys if we have Simmons in the floors at any point then hack a Simmons can and will happen. Nate McMillan just exposed him badly. Stay away from Simmons!
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Simmons is an ELITE defender.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Simmons is an ELITE defender.
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I agree, but what good does that do if he is an HUGE liability on offense.

Not only is he a bad 3 point shooter, he is scared to even attempt it. A top talent PG in the NBA that is afraid to even ATTEMPT a 3...lol on top of that you know how tough that is in today’s NBA where 3 pointers are a huge part of the game..

He can’t shoot free throws, doesn’t want the ball in his hands. The guy didn’t even attempt many 4 quarter shots in the playoffs.

On top of that he doesn’t even need the ball in his hands to get fouled, Hack a Simmons is for real lol.

the fact is, so many hate CJ they are coming around to thinking a Simmons swap for him would be better.

Pascal is a way better fit and it’s not even close
 
sheed30 said:
I agree, but what good does that do if he is an HUGE liability on offense.

Not only is he a bad 3 point shooter, he is scared to even attempt it. A top talent PG in the NBA that is afraid to even ATTEMPT a 3...lol on top of that you know how tough that is in today’s NBA where 3 pointers are a huge part of the game..

He can’t shoot free throws, doesn’t want the ball in his hands. The guy didn’t even attempt many 4 quarter shots in the playoffs.

On top of that he doesn’t even need the ball in his hands to get fouled, Hack a Simmons is for real lol.

the fact is, so many hate CJ they are coming around to thinking a Simmons swap for him would be better.

Pascal is a way better fit and it’s not even close
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Simmons has a higher PER than Siakam.

Simmons fg% is 10 points higher than Siakam.

Siakam shot .297 from 3 last year

Simmons is a far better defender

The only thing Siakam is better at is FT shooting
 
AmirIcon said:
The truth is that both the local and national media got Blazers fans to go along with a slow moving coup to oust Damian Lillard. All the hysteria about Billups and the constant denigration of Neil Olshey is what almost did it.

There are so many stupid fans who feed into it just because of what the media says.

I may have clicked in this thread two or three times max because I knew it was BS.

Do better. Don't feed it.
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Man, this is some of the best stuff I have seen on here.

couldn’t have said it any better. There is also a couple of posters in here, who post 24/7 and are more or less in the same bunch as the media you described.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Simmons has a higher PER than Siakam.

Simmons fg% is 10 points higher than Siakam.

Siakam shot .297 from 3 last year

Simmons is a far better defender

The only thing Siakam is better at is FT shooting
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Oh man, smh. Are you really trying to convince yourself or something? Common basketball sense would tell you Pascal is a better fit.

I can play this silly game too.

Higher PER doesn’t mean shit when we are talking about basketball skills and the pros and cons are of a player adding to a team. And newsflash, a high % will give you a high PER

Simmons has a higher FG% because he only takes shots in the paint lmao.

Stats show that was a bad shooting 3pt year for him but that’s just one season where as others outline a better %..on top of that he played with a hurt shoulder for the season before requiring surgery eventually.

i would take all of those cons over the cons of Simmons, ANY DAY lol.

There is a reason Simmons is on the trading block. On top of everything, Simmons haven’t improved one lick since getting to the NBA. He has actually regressed lmao

Don’t be clouded too much by hate for CJ guys ,you are trying to convince yourself a Simmon swap will work out because of it lol
 
Mediocre Man said:
Simmons has a higher PER than Siakam.

Simmons fg% is 10 points higher than Siakam.

Siakam shot .297 from 3 last year

Simmons is a far better defender

The only thing Siakam is better at is FT shooting
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Yeah, if we had a choice, I'd definitely go with Simmons. But as we don't have a chance at either unless we trade Dame, I'm not going to get too invested.
 
sheed30 said:
Oh man, smh. Are you really trying to convince yourself or something? Common basketball sense would tell you Pascal is a better fit.

I can play this silly game too.

Higher PER doesn’t mean shit when we are talking about basketball skills and the pros and cons are of a player adding to a team. And newsflash, a high % will give you a high PER

Simmons has a higher FG% because he only takes shots in the paint lmao.

Stats show that was a bad shooting 3pt year for him but that’s just one season where as others outline a better %..on top of that he played with a hurt shoulder for the season before requiring surgery eventually.

i would take all of those cons over the cons of Simmons, ANY DAY lol.

There is a reason Simmons is on the trading block. On top of everything, Simmons haven’t improved one lick since getting to the NBA. He has actually regressed lmao

Don’t be clouded too much by hate for CJ guys ,you are trying to convince yourself a Simmon swap will work out because of it lol
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We’re going to have agree to disagree. Siakam would be great as well, but Simmons would be a better choice, IMO
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Is that because the Blazers are "going nowhere" under Olshey?
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Lol, he did get us to the WCF, where we didn’t reach in 20 years. Not defending Neil, just pointing out lol. If we blow us this team and trade Dame like some ridiculous fans are suggesting then we may not even see another WCF appearance for another 20 years plus; with or without Neil
 
Mediocre Man said:
We’re going to have agree to disagree. Siakam would be great as well, but Simmons would be a better choice, IMO
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Ok but seriously answer me some questions.

are you comfortable trading for someone with that bad of a FT %, where he is a liability on offense? And someone that doesn’t shoot 3’s and will be a huge black hole to be left open on the perimeter?

If teams double team Dame at the end of the game, and leave Simmons wide open..you can do two things :

put him as a slasher, but when he touches the ball he will just get hacked so fuck that.

and if you say put him to spot up for a 3..well we know the answer he doesn’t shoot 3’s..

how does Simmons work at the end of the game in Portland? Or anywhere else?

once again saying he will improve his FT and 3%..well check it out he is actually regressing.

Yes Simmons is a great defender and great handles for his size..but what else after that? Once again his flaws wayyyyy out weigh his positives.

there is a reason he was actually hurting his team in the Hawks series; and Nate just layed out the blue print to hack him too.

But just want to see where some are coming from, in the scenarios mentioned above I am curious to see your answers
 
sheed30 said:
Oh man, smh. Are you really trying to convince yourself or something? Common basketball sense would tell you Pascal is a better fit.

I can play this silly game too.

Higher PER doesn’t mean shit when we are talking about basketball skills and the pros and cons are of a player adding to a team. And newsflash, a high % will give you a high PER

Simmons has a higher FG% because he only takes shots in the paint lmao.

Stats show that was a bad shooting 3pt year for him but that’s just one season where as others outline a better %..on top of that he played with a hurt shoulder for the season before requiring surgery eventually.

i would take all of those cons over the cons of Simmons, ANY DAY lol.

There is a reason Simmons is on the trading block. On top of everything, Simmons haven’t improved one lick since getting to the NBA. He has actually regressed lmao

Don’t be clouded too much by hate for CJ guys ,you are trying to convince yourself a Simmon swap will work out because of it lol
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I have said it on numerous occasions, Siakam is the better fit. Especially if Nurk stays. But Ben has the infinitely higher ceiling. He's got one huge question mark, but his ceiling is also so much higher. Ben is a three time all-star at the age of 24. He's all-NBA. If the cost is similar, I think you have to roll the dice on Simmons.
 
sheed30 said:
Ok but seriously answer me some questions.

are you comfortable trading for someone with that bad of a FT %, where he is a liability on offense? And someone that doesn’t shoot 3’s and will be a huge black hole to be left open on the perimeter?

If teams double team Dame at the end of the game, and leave Simmons wide open..you can do two things :

put him as a slasher, but when he touches the ball he will just get hacked so fuck that.

and if you say put him to spot up for a 3..well we know the answer he doesn’t shoot 3’s..

how does Simmons work at the end of the game in Portland? Or anywhere else?

once again saying he will improve his FT and 3%..well check it out he is actually regressing.

Yes Simmons is a great defender and great handles for his size..but what else after that? Once again his flaws wayyyyy out weigh his positives.

there is a reason he was actually hurting his team in the Hawks series; and Nate just layed out the blue print to hack him too.

But just want to see where some are coming from, in the scenarios mentioned above I am curious to see your answers
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Simmons has, IMO, been miscast as a PG. He should be playing the 4 or 5. His offensive skillset would not be a liability in that role, even with his poor FT shooting. Yes, he shot comically badly from the line against the Hawks, but normally he's been a 60% FT shooter, which is generally plenty high enough to avoid a hack-a-player situation (1.2 points-per-possession is pretty good). Personally, I don't care if he never shoots a jump-shot; he brings enough to the game outside of that.

No right or wrong in this debate--just a difference in perspective. You put a premium on shooting, which is fine. I'm less inclined in that direction, and that's OK too.
 
Some things I will agree with is Simmons may have a bigger upside, but at the same time he hasn’t improved in 3 years in the league

that is alarming imo. And he isn’t someone that works to improve, evidence by his game in the last 3 years and some reports out there.

Siakam has a big upside and is also only 27, he isn’t someone that has reached his peak either.

out of all those questions I asked not one can actually take time to answer what you do with Simmons at the end of the game? Let’s not talk about upside but what the current Simmons will be like on a team with Dame.

one more thing and one last big thing, you guys want to talk about upside, but you only go that Simmons route if your gonna blow it up. Trading for Simmons and pairing him with Dame just spells disaster imo.
 
sheed30 said:
Ok but seriously answer me some questions.

are you comfortable trading for someone with that bad of a FT %, where he is a liability on offense? And someone that doesn’t shoot 3’s and will be a huge black hole to be left open on the perimeter?

If teams double team Dame at the end of the game, and leave Simmons wide open..you can do two things :

put him as a slasher, but when he touches the ball he will just get hacked so fuck that.

and if you say put him to spot up for a 3..well we know the answer he doesn’t shoot 3’s..

how does Simmons work at the end of the game in Portland? Or anywhere else?

once again saying he will improve his FT and 3%..well check it out he is actually regressing.

Yes Simmons is a great defender and great handles for his size..but what else after that? Once again his flaws wayyyyy out weigh his positives.

there is a reason he was actually hurting his team in the Hawks series; and Nate just layed out the blue print to hack him too.

But just want to see where some are coming from, in the scenarios mentioned above I am curious to see your answers
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Giannis, while obviously better, has those same flaws. He is a shitty ft shooter and a poor 3 pt shooter. It can easily work with the right scheme.
He is a 3 time all star who averages 16/8/8 for his career.
IF he can become even a below average 3pt shooter and an average ft shooter, he’ll be all NBA. I think those things can happen
 
Mediocre Man said:
Giannis, while obviously better, has those same flaws. He is a shitty ft shooter and a poor 3 pt shooter. It can easily work with the right scheme.
He is a 3 time all star who averages 16/8/8 for his career.
IF he can become even a below average 3pt shooter and an average ft shooter, he’ll be all NBA. I think those things can happen
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Huge Difference is Giannis clearly works on his game, he shots a good amount of 3’s per game, clearly he has worked on it.

can you say the same for Simmons? No

Giannis shot almost 4 three’s PER game last season,Simmons he has attempted only four 3 pointers for his WHOLE career?

it’s not that he can’t improve ofcourse you can improve, but he is showing he isn’t even willing to attempt them and clearly has some mental issues going on with his game: we dont need deal with that shit unless you blow it up.

the fact that no one can actually can answer my questions about what you do with Simmons at the end of the game just goes to show..his flaws more outside his positives and the proof is in the pudding
 
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sheed30 said:
Huge Difference is Giannis clearly works on his game, he shots a good amount of 3’s per game, clearly he has worked on it.

can you say the same for Simmons? No

Giannis shot almost 4 three’s PER game last season,Simmons he has attempted only four 3 pointers for his WHOLE career?

it’s not that he can’t improve ofcourse you can improve, but he is showing he isn’t even willing to attempt them and clearly has some mental issues going on with his game: we dont need deal with that shit unless you blow it up.

the fact that no one can actually can answer my questions about what you do with Simmons at the end of the game just goes to show..his flaws more outside his positives and the proof is in the pudding
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So I think you’re wrong and you think I’m wrong. Thus my post a bit ago about agreeing to disagree
 
sheed30 said:
I agree, but what good does that do if he is an HUGE liability on offense.

Not only is he a bad 3 point shooter, he is scared to even attempt it. A top talent PG in the NBA that is afraid to even ATTEMPT a 3...lol on top of that you know how tough that is in today’s NBA where 3 pointers are a huge part of the game..

He can’t shoot free throws, doesn’t want the ball in his hands. The guy didn’t even attempt many 4 quarter shots in the playoffs.

On top of that he doesn’t even need the ball in his hands to get fouled, Hack a Simmons is for real lol.

the fact is, so many hate CJ they are coming around to thinking a Simmons swap for him would be better.

Pascal is a way better fit and it’s not even close
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So the only thing you care about in regards to Simmons offense is the most recent of recent history... not his entire body of work that show that he is a great ball handler, a great distributor and fantastic at getting to and finishing at the rim? None of his body of work factors into his value, just what he did with a teammate that obviously wasn't on his side and a coach that lost all confidence in him?

Pascal might fit better with the rest of the team because of Nurk but Simmons is the better player between him and Siakam right now and if we can get him shooting the ball even a little better (which he should be able to do given his hands, footwork, and dexterity) he's a superstar. So yeah I'd go hard after Simmons and then worry about making Nurk fit around him or moving Nurk. Oh and to simply call Ben Simmons a PG when he is 6'11 with a 7' wingspan is pretty ridiculous.
 
blazerkor said:
So the only thing you care about in regards to Simmons offense is the most recent of recent history... not his entire body of work that show that he is a great ball handler, a great distributor and fantastic at getting to and finishing at the rim? None of his body of work factors into his value, just what he did with a teammate that obviously wasn't on his side and a coach that lost all confidence in him?

Pascal might fit better with the rest of the team because of Nurk but Simmons is the better player between him and Siakam right now and if we can get him shooting the ball even a little better (which he should be able to do given his hands, footwork, and dexterity) he's a superstar. So yeah I'd go hard after Simmons and then worry about making Nurk fit around him or moving Nurk. Oh and to simply call Ben Simmons a PG when he is 6'11 with a 7' wingspan is pretty ridiculous.
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I guess Simmons is a little bit more of a gamble but if he learns to shoot/improve his offense I would also go with Simmons. I also think Simmons would play differently in a new situation. On the other hand, Siakam would also be great but is it possible to get him for a similar price as Simmons? At least I expect to get Simmons for a better price and while it is some kind of a gamble he has more upside as I expect him to adapt and regain the necessary confidence in a new situation (from my perspective).
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yeah, but he's on my ignore list and you're not, so you win.
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You just replied to something I said the other week lol but nice try at that weak attempt to try and troll me.

I would put you on ignore but I enjoy laughing at some of your posts,
 
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AmirIcon said:
I have said it on numerous occasions, Siakam is the better fit. Especially if Nurk stays. But Ben has the infinitely higher ceiling. He's got one huge question mark, but his ceiling is also so much higher. Ben is a three time all-star at the age of 24. He's all-NBA. If the cost is similar, I think you have to roll the dice on Simmons.
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If you roll the dice with Simmons then I think you go full rebuild and try to start over.

And if we go that route then I’m fine with Simmons over Pascal but personally I think we should try to win now at all costs with Dame. That means passing on Simmons and his big question marks while we also wait and hope he reaches a higher ceiling and actually shows some improvement to his game that he hasn’t shown since getting to the NBA.
 
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