Zombie Damian Lillard to request trade in coming days (nope, he's not.) (1 Viewer)

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you can disagree all you want, but thats what loyalty means

its like saying: "ill be loyal to my wife while shes good looking, but when shes not, she wont be my wife anymore"

its easy to be "loyal" when its all god, but when the tough times come, its then when you show your true colors
that sounds more like blind loyalty to me.

and I think Dame has been through a decent amount of tough times to prove his loyalty.
 
So did Dame get hoodwinked about or chances like so many others with that faux WCF run a couple years ago?

I'm just trying to understand why he seems to be so fed up all of a sudden. I get being frustrated, but this comes off as the spouse who has been begging for change for years and is now fed up and thinking about a divorce. Has he just internalized all his frustrations over the years and now it's all coming out?
 
lol he has liked nearly every post from the trailblazers account on his ig.

Not for the past month or so (or since we got eliminated). Blazers IG account has been focusing on a different player each day. Only player's post he's really liked are Ant's, lol.
 
Wait a sec….. Didn’t AD get fined for publicity requesting a trade? What can Dame actually say but no comment or no?
 
It's sad that it has come to this. But, I'm not trading Lillard for peanuts. Didn't he just sign an extension?

Edit: how many years does he have left on his deal? I can't seem to find clear info on this. Does it expire at end of next season or is 2 more years?
 
To a job? I mean, yeah to the people you love, that's the way things work but when things sour in your place of business, a smart person moves on... especially after years and years of blind loyalty.
personally, i never understood when fans get mad when players leave their team, like, they dont have to spend their entire career with one team

but when a player speaks a lot about loyalty and then requests a trade, that screams "hypocrisy"

usually id be fine with dame leaving, but not after the loyatly talks, i dont forget nor forgive (i would never insult him or wish him bad, but i would hold a grudge against him)
 
So did Dame get hoodwinked about or chances like so many others with that faux WCF run a couple years ago?

I'm just trying to understand why he seems to be so fed up all of a sudden. I get being frustrated, but this comes off as the spouse who has been begging for change for years and is now fed up and thinking about a divorce. Has he just internalized all his frustrations over the years and now it's all coming out?
The timing of it doesn’t pass the smell test for me personally. Could be denial phase I guess. Just timing of it makes zero sense. Unless someone got in his ear all Grima Wormtongue style with USA.
 
CH: I have to ask you about your situation with the Trail Blazers. With all you’ve done for the franchise on and off the court, do you feel like that same level of commitment has been reciprocated as far as putting you in position to get your first title?

DL: To make it to the NBA, I had to give it everything I had. I was going to do what needed to be done to win games. I didn’t come into the league worrying about what others were doing in the organization. I didn’t come in with that type of mentality. But I've been active in probably 95% of the games in my career. I’ve played through injuries, and I’ve been a part of two rebuilds. I feel like I’ve experienced everything with the Trail Blazers, and I’ve worn that jersey as a badge of honor and with a lot of pride and care. I never felt like my job was to go in and critique what other people were doing in the organization. My job was to make sure the team is functioning and trying to lead them to the best results. I’ve always assumed everybody’s mentality was the same. Even when I'm playing well and we come up short at the end of the season, I go home and the first thing I do is look in the mirror and tell myself we didn't win a championship. Or if I didn't play as well as I should have, I’ve had to look in the mirror and tell myself that my performance was unacceptable and I have to do better. And then you go do better.

I think that's the stage we're at as a team where we all, not just me, not just my teammates, not just our new coaching staff, the front office, everybody in this organization must look in the mirror because we’ve constantly come up short. We have to look in the mirror and say I have to be better because whatever it is we’re doing is not working and it’s not giving us the shot to compete on the level that we want to compete on.

CH: Having known you for years and your position, why is this current juncture such a pivotal moment for you?

DL: There are few reasons: One being I'm not getting any younger. Our environment has always been great. We’re not losing a lot, but we were eliminated by a shorthanded Denver team that I felt we should have beat. I just walked away from that really disappointed. I was like, ‘Man, this just isn't going to work.’ We're not winning the championship, but we’ve got a successful organization. We're not a franchise that’s just out here losing every year and getting divided. We have positive seasons; we just don't end up with a championship. So I feel like at this point, I basically made the decision that if you do what you’ve always done, you’ll always be where you've always been. Just like I hold myself accountable for a bad performance or hold myself accountable to make sure that I work my ass off when I’m training, I must be accountable for saying what needs to be said even if it's not popular. And that just comes with age. When I was younger, I felt like maybe I'll be out of place, but I feel like I've earned the right to say we must do better. We must do better if we want to win on that level.

thanks for those quotes

I think this is Dame's most important quote:

"So I feel like at this point, I basically made the decision that if you do what you’ve always done, you’ll always be where you've always been"

yeah, I guess you could interpret that as calling out everybody Blazer, including himself.

but that really does seem like ordinance pointed directly at Olshey. That a 10th year of Olshey's dumpster-diving and low-risk transactions won't be accepted by Dame. Honestly, I don't see any reason why Dame would relieve any of the pressure on Olshey by coming out with any unequivocal "I-want-to-be-a-Blazer-always" statement. My take is that Dame has given 100% of himself to trying to win a championship in Portland and he doesn't believe management has the same commitment

I really wonder if a lot of Dame's dissatisfaction is with Seattle right now. I know a lot of Blazer fans have those doubts, including myself. If he feels ownership doesn't prioritize winning a championship then he may very well ask for a trade. I mean, has it looked at all like Seattle has cared about winning a title since PA died?

if Dame is traded, and Olshey is the one making the trade, I'm done being a Blazer fan for a long time. I can't believe that Olshey has been allowed to drive the Blazers into this deep a ditch. That's Seattle's fault
 
So did Dame get hoodwinked about or chances like so many others with that faux WCF run a couple years ago?

I'm just trying to understand why he seems to be so fed up all of a sudden. I get being frustrated, but this comes off as the spouse who has been begging for change for years and is now fed up and thinking about a divorce. Has he just internalized all his frustrations over the years and now it's all coming out?

i think it’s more of…he knew they overachieved that year and wanted to make better moves while Olshey felt otherwise
 
Neil doesn't have to trade Dame the moment Dame asks for a trade. He has 3 years guaranteed left. We can drag it on for a year even. Dwight Howard's trade dragged for over a year. Same with Chris Paul.

As stupid as Neil is, he's not going to trade Dame for THT and a bag of chips. Yes, Dame will get moved eventually, but it will be an offer that makes sense to the team.
Sure. I'm not suggesting the trade would need to happen immediately.

However, if I am another team, I'm less open to helping balance the Blazers roster (CJ trade perhaps) if I think Dame will ask out imminently. It's a nearly impossible situation for a GM to build around a superstar who *may* want out.
 
I find it highly unlikely Dame formally requests a trade at the team USA media availability, even if it is what he wants. That seems like a stretch considering last time he said he would just talk to Neil.

Likely it will be some ultimatum that puts public pressure on Neil to DO SOMETHING.
I agree he won't make a trade request today. He might say something like he doesn't want to be a distraction to the Olympics and won't have any comment until USA basketball is finished.
 
thanks for those quotes

I think this is Dame's most important quote:

"So I feel like at this point, I basically made the decision that if you do what you’ve always done, you’ll always be where you've always been"

yeah, I guess you could interpret that as calling out everybody Blazer, including himself.

but that really does seem like ordinance pointed directly at Olshey. That a 10th year of Olshey's dumpster-diving and low-risk transactions won't be accepted by Dame. Honestly, I don't see any reason why Dame would relieve any of the pressure on Olshey by coming out with any unequivocal "I-want-to-be-a-Blazer-always" statement. My take is that Dame has given 100% of himself to trying to win a championship in Portland and he doesn't believe management has the same commitment

I really wonder if a lot of Dame's dissatisfaction is with Seattle right now. I know a lot of Blazer fans have those doubts, including myself. If he feels ownership doesn't prioritize winning a championship then he may very well ask for a trade. I mean, has it looked at all like Seattle has cared about winning a title since PA died?

if Dame is traded, and Olshey is the one making the trade, I'm done being a Blazer fan for a long time. I can't believe that Olshey has been allowed to drive the Blazers into this deep a ditch. That's Seattle's fault

reading this piece and everything dame has said publicly since we lost……it’s obvious what his unhappiness comes from.

he believes not everyone within the org is on the same page with regards to winning a championship.
 
I agree he won't make a trade request today. He might say something like he doesn't want to be a distraction to the Olympics and won't have any comment until USA basketball is finished.
Ha! And that's the equivalent of a trade request...

Anything wishy-washy after practice today, and I think you have to start exploring deals.
 
Not for the past month or so (or since we got eliminated). Blazers IG account has been focusing on a different player each day. Only player's post he's really liked are Ant's, lol.
And Harry Giles, and the one with his son, and his space jam character
 
So did Dame get hoodwinked about or chances like so many others with that faux WCF run a couple years ago?

I'm just trying to understand why he seems to be so fed up all of a sudden. I get being frustrated, but this comes off as the spouse who has been begging for change for years and is now fed up and thinking about a divorce. Has he just internalized all his frustrations over the years and now it's all coming out?

of course he did. He did like everyone else. That run was why he signed the Supermax.
 
So did Dame get hoodwinked about or chances like so many others with that faux WCF run a couple years ago?

I'm just trying to understand why he seems to be so fed up all of a sudden. I get being frustrated, but this comes off as the spouse who has been begging for change for years and is now fed up and thinking about a divorce. Has he just internalized all his frustrations over the years and now it's all coming out?
These are solid questions. There is a possibility IMO that Dame made demands that this team needed to be a contender by the start of next season or he'd want a trade and Neil said some shit that sounded too slick. Then Neil did Stotts the way he did and said there was nothing wrong with the roster... that would be a hard pill to swallow. Then Neil gave Dame a list of candidates for head coach with two guys on it that Dame really respected but Neil didn't tell Dame about their past. Then Neil acted embarrassingly at the Chauncey presser when he could have handled it with class. Then stuff that the media says should be embarrassing about the team comes out yesterday. He turns 31.

That's a lot of shit to deal with for a guy who had already thrown down an ultimatum that ended with him being traded. I know that's all conjecture but your questions require speculation.
 
And Harry Giles, and the one with his son, and his space jam character

yep all those in the past few days, but that’s not “every post”. Blazers post a lot, and he’s not liked a majority of them like the other team members. he’s noticeably more disconnected than in years past. Prob means nothing, but it’s interesting.
 
Sure. I'm not suggesting the trade would need to happen immediately.

However, if I am another team, I'm less open to helping balance the Blazers roster (CJ trade perhaps) if I think Dame will ask out imminently. It's a nearly impossible situation for a GM to build around a superstar who *may* want out.
Why? As a competing team, wouldn't you rather Dame be in a small market than on a super team?
 
I also want to know what triggered this leaking this week. Was there a trade that Olshey would not do?
 
It's sad that it has come to this. But, I'm not trading Lillard for peanuts. Didn't he just sign an extension?

Edit: how many years does he have left on his deal? I can't seem to find clear info on this. Does it expire at end of next season or is 2 more years?
The next three seasons and then he has an option for a fourth that would pay him like close to 60M.
 
There is 0 reason to trade him even if he does request a trade. He'll play, and play well regardless. We only have a window of 4 years anyways, after that its rebuild. Why not just ride it out?
 
I also want to know what triggered this leaking this week. Was there a trade that Olshey would not do?

Seems like this happens every time theres a news dump regarding what the Blazers are doing (coaching, Olshey, etc.)
 
Ha! And that's the equivalent of a trade request...

Anything wishy-washy after practice today, and I think you have to start exploring deals.

No, you don't. Dame is under contract for the foreseeable future. You do everything you can to get him to change his mind first. It's pretty damn clear that he's taking aim at Olshey and the roster. Fire Neil, bring someone in that Dame likes and that will make bold moves, then reassess.

If, after doing EVERYTHING possible to get him to change his mind, Dame still wants out, there will be 29 teams bidding for him. That kind of market doesn't dilute because Dame wants out. Along those same lines, each of those 29 teams (unless they hire Neil) are also competing to improve their rosters. As such, the "don't help Portland get better" argument is pretty benign as well. If there's a deal that they perceive will help them get better, a hypothetical chance at Dame down the line won't hold that up.

Then again, all of the above is how a well-run, well-led organization would do things. Here... I'm less confident.
 

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