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blazerkor said:
I also think Dame is an incredibly ethical guy and unlike Olshey, Dame won't give his word unless he knows it can be counted on. So he can't tell Norm that he's going to be here when he knows that it might result in Norm being here without him.
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Not an issue then. Norm won't be here.
 
blazerkor said:
No because there is no possible advantage to that for your marriage because the outside parties you're airing your grievances to can't possibly make the marriage better. However, in professional sports, there are outside parties that can make the situation better so making a demand public after years of those demands falling on deaf ears... just might get the ball rolling.

I understand that it seemingly puts your GM behind the proverbial eight ball but in fact it doesn't. They still have the same assets and the teams out there still have the same needs. It just makes it so everyone knows your GM is open for business. Neil should love every time he gets a call about Dame because he can say that we're not ever trading Dame but we do have a guy in CJ that does a lot of the things Dame can do.

Dame just made Neil's life busier but I don't think he made it harder. He greased the wheels for change.
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okay that makes a lot of sense actually. Thank you for making me feel better about the situation lol.
 
e_blazer said:
Not an issue then. Norm won't be here.
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Dame got trashed because he commented on the Blazer list of coaches that Olshey compiled

Dame is getting trashed because he finally went public with his unhappiness about the rosters Olshey has been trotting out

and if Powell signs elsewhere it will be Dame's fault for not spending another off-season pleading, behind closed doors, for Olshey to build a contender....not because Powell doesn't want to be a full-time SF or CJ's backup

got it
 
e_blazer said:
Not an issue then. Norm won't be here.
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If CJ is here because Neil doesn't have the ability to get a better fit than him that adds value to the team and we don't re-sign Norm... all of that shit is on Neil and the blame falls nowhere close to Dame. Also I think at that point whether it's in three weeks, at the trade deadline or draft day next year, Dame will be gone and we will get less value for him because people will know that we have no chance of keeping him here and happy.
 
wizenheimer said:
Dame got trashed because he commented on the Blazer list of coaches that Olshey compiled

Dame is getting trashed because he finally went public with his unhappiness about the rosters Olshey has been trotting out

and if Powell signs elsewhere it will be Dame's fault for not spending another off-season pleading, behind closed doors, for Olshey to build a contender....not because Powell doesn't want to be a full-time SF or CJ's backup

got it
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Your first point has nothing to do with what we were discussing. Dame got trashed by some pinheads on the coaching hire because some pinheads will trash him no matter what when there's an issue like Billups was involved with.

I'm not aware of anyone "trashing" Dame for going public. I'd say that the overall public comment has been about the same as when food is tossed into the trout ponds at the fish farm...unabashed excitement about luring him elsewhere.

My point (and I think it's pretty much just a simple assessment of what should be perfectly plain to anyone), is that in choosing to go public, not only with making his case for "urgency" in improving the team, but also saying that he hasn't made up his mind yet about what he's going to do, Dame has made it exponentially harder to get free agents to come here. All else being equal to a FA, Dame's the attraction for playing in Portland vs signing elsewhere. If you don't know if he's going to be here, that attraction is gone.
 
blazerkor said:
If CJ is here because Neil doesn't have the ability to get a better fit than him that adds value to the team and we don't re-sign Norm... all of that shit is on Neil and the blame falls nowhere close to Dame. Also I think at that point whether it's in three weeks, at the trade deadline or draft day next year, Dame will be gone and we will get less value for him because people will know that we have no chance of keeping him here and happy.
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CJ is here because, up until his gigantic wet fizzle in the Denver series, Neil and Dame were both on record as believing that they could contend with CJ as one of a Big 3. Pretty sure that that line of thinking has been rocked pretty severely in Blazers circles.

I'm not looking to blame Dame or to excuse some crappy mismanagement by Olshey. I'm just saying that Dame's public comments may well be the final nail in the coffin. I think the only way out is if Olshey is able to pull off a trade that moves CJ and brings in an exciting player almost immediately, before Norm has to make a decision. I don't think that's likely to happen, but the dynamic would change immediately and that might be enough to convince both Norm and Dame that there are prospects for contending here in Portland.
 
e_blazer said:
All else being equal to a FA, Dame's the attraction for playing in Portland vs signing elsewhere. If you don't know if he's going to be here, that attraction is gone.
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this is basically your argument, and logically, you are saying that Dame should never say anything other than I'm a Blazer for life in public and private comments

there's a disconnect to what you're saying. That being if Dame is unsure of what he's going to do, but doesn't say that publicly, only in private, he'd say that to Powell as well. That's Dame. So then, it's irrelevant if Dame made it public or kept it behind closed doors. he'd still say the same thing to Powell and that's "I'm unsure"
 
e_blazer said:
CJ is here because, up until his gigantic wet fizzle in the Denver series, Neil and Dame were both on record as believing that they could contend with CJ as one of a Big 3. Pretty sure that that line of thinking has been rocked pretty severely in Blazers circles.

I'm not looking to blame Dame or to excuse some crappy mismanagement by Olshey. I'm just saying that Dame's public comments may well be the final nail in the coffin. I think the only way out is if Olshey is able to pull off a trade that moves CJ and brings in an exciting player almost immediately, before Norm has to make a decision. I don't think that's likely to happen, but the dynamic would change immediately and that might be enough to convince both Norm and Dame that there are prospects for contending here in Portland.
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I agree. Neil has to make a trade moving CJ and whatever else for a player that makes us quite a bit better before Monday afternoon. That's how I've felt at least. I guess there could be a chance that Norm re-signs with CJ still here and gives us longer to make a move but I wouldn't do that if I was Norm.

Oh and Neil put himself in this situation. You don't trust your star player to make personnel moves or tell you who not to trade, you make your team better and if the star player doesn't want to play on a better team, you move him too.
 
e_blazer said:
Your first point has nothing to do with what we were discussing. Dame got trashed by some pinheads on the coaching hire because some pinheads will trash him no matter what when there's an issue like Billups was involved with.

I'm not aware of anyone "trashing" Dame for going public. I'd say that the overall public comment has been about the same as when food is tossed into the trout ponds at the fish farm...unabashed excitement about luring him elsewhere.

My point (and I think it's pretty much just a simple assessment of what should be perfectly plain to anyone), is that in choosing to go public, not only with making his case for "urgency" in improving the team, but also saying that he hasn't made up his mind yet about what he's going to do, Dame has made it exponentially harder to get free agents to come here. All else being equal to a FA, Dame's the attraction for playing in Portland vs signing elsewhere. If you don't know if he's going to be here, that attraction is gone.
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Thats a reasonable statement. None of us in this place know what has, or hasn't been said exactly, behind closed doors. Dame said he has had his private conversation, with regards, to what he wants to see happen.
Any team trying to dump there 1 or 2 guy right before draft night will ask way high with a target in mind, but deals don't have to happen today or tonight.
 
blazerkor said:
I agree. Neil has to make a trade moving CJ and whatever else for a player that makes us quite a bit better before Monday afternoon. That's how I've felt at least. I guess there could be a chance that Norm re-signs with CJ still here and gives us longer to make a move but I wouldn't do that if I was Norm.

Oh and Neil put himself in this situation. You don't trust your star player to make personnel moves or tell you who not to trade, you make your team better and if the star player doesn't want to play on a better team, you move him too.
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Precisely, thats what Aaron Rogers is trying to do in suggesting certain talent or buddies.
 
wizenheimer said:
this is basically your argument, and logically, you are saying that Dame should never say anything other than I'm a Blazer for life in public and private comments

there's a disconnect to what you're saying. That being if Dame is unsure of what he's going to do, but doesn't say that publicly, only in private, he'd say that to Powell as well. That's Dame. So then, it's irrelevant if Dame made it public or kept it behind closed doors. he'd still say the same thing to Powell and that's "I'm unsure"
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You do you in our conversations, I'll take care of making my own position.

This is the first time Dame has said anything other than he wants to win a title in Portland. I get that he was immensely frustrated by losing to Denver. I get that that experience clearly dissuaded him from any notion that the Blazers are close to contending. But, Dame is under contract to the team for several years and the Blazers are paying him a shitload of money to play ball here. I also get that that doesn't mean as much in today's NBA as it used to. That said, Dame has to know that he just made it immensely more difficult for the Blazers to make the changes he wants. What was already a difficult task given how few bullets Olshey has in his GM gun, is now limited to just one shot, IMO. Make a big deal and make it fast. Otherwise, the whole house of cards is going to start coming down.
 
Or better yet when Dame doesn't get traded and retires a Blazer...

Abbott: He did want a trade. I have never published a made up story. He changed his mind. Blazer fans have me to thank. Come read my article about it behind my paywall.
 
B-Roy said:
This publicity and Dame addressing it is actually helping him in the short term.
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It's could hurt him in the long run when everyone sees he has been lying

Then again, short attention spans and people for some reason love to be lied to. I guess they need the drama in their lives.
 
e_blazer said:
You do you in our conversations, I'll take care of making my own position.

This is the first time Dame has said anything other than he wants to win a title in Portland. I get that he was immensely frustrated by losing to Denver. I get that that experience clearly dissuaded him from any notion that the Blazers are close to contending. But, Dame is under contract to the team for several years and the Blazers are paying him a shitload of money to play ball here. I also get that that doesn't mean as much in today's NBA as it used to. That said, Dame has to know that he just made it immensely more difficult for the Blazers to make the changes he wants. What was already a difficult task given how few bullets Olshey has in his GM gun, is now limited to just one shot, IMO. Make a big deal and make it fast. Otherwise, the whole house of cards is going to start coming down.
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He made getting free agents to sign here harder. I'll give you that but if no trade was made and Dame hadn't said anything public, we'd still have to convince Norm that it's a good idea to share touches with CJ and Dame and defend out of position. We would still only have the MLE. Also Neil has already gone on record saying he is shit at getting free agents to sign here. So free agency with Dame going public or not was already going to be hard to make big gains from.

Dame did not make trades harder at all. The value that we have in assets didn't change, the needs of teams in the league didn't change, us having Dame under contract didn't change, no GM in the league has any reason to think Dame will sit out or pull a Harden given Dame's history of character. So no bullets were taken away in the trade market... none.
 
blazerkor said:
He made getting free agents to sign here harder. I'll give you that but if no trade was made and Dame hadn't said anything public, we'd still have to convince Norm that it's a good idea to share touches with CJ and Dame and defend out of position. We would still only have the MLE. Also Neil has already gone on record saying he is shit at getting free agents to sign here. So free agency with Dame going public or not was already going to be hard to make big gains from.

Dame did not make trades harder at all. The value that we have in assets didn't change, the needs of teams in the league didn't change, us having Dame under contract didn't change, no GM in the league has any reason to think Dame will sit out or pull a Harden given Dame's history of character. So no bullets were taken away in the trade market... none.
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Man, I just don't agree with your second paragraph...at all. I've pretty much said my piece above, so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree and hope that Olshey can pull off a big trade pronto.
 
Fez Forthright said:
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That thread is really insightful, and this last part:



Is fairly obvious. Like Dame literally said, he's been about as open and honest about this situation as he could possibly be to the public. The fact that people are still trying to make stories out of it doesn't change that.
 
RR7 said:
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Damn, Dame let him have it. That's so fucking gangster. What Steve Kyler was tweeting gave insight into the world of Abbott but Dame just blew him up for not stopping while Abbott was just a little behind.
 
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