Dat Lillard Money ($196m)

[JoshuaHall]

How much is Dame worth?

Should we just let him walk then?

You clearly didn’t read the post.

 

[JoshuaHall]

All i saw was dame was worth it. Theres no discussion or argument.

It’s more a discussion centered on the viability of the “super max contract” than it is Dame.

But okay, great response, very valuable insight.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Not ecstatic about the percentage of the salary cap going to just one person on a team.

With that said, if anyone deserves it it is Dame. Rather give him the money than see him want to go somewhere else. Best (non championship) thing to ever happen to this franchise is having Dame here.

If Dame is happy, I'm happy.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Alright — I’ll say it.

Does Dame deserve it? Yes.

Is Dame worth it? Yes.

Is this *really* in the best interest of the franchise *winning*? Not in my opinion (in my dream world.)

Paying that absurd amount of money for *one*’player significantly hinders the ability to construct a team around said player.

MJ and LeBron in their prime are the only players that are realistically worth this kinda cash in my opinion.

I’d also add this — a lot of non-super max guys aren’t worth the max either — yet still get it.

You gotta do what you gotta do to retain your players and keep talent.

But realistically, this kinda cash should be reserved for someone who virtually guarantees you a shot at the chip // multiple time MVP winners.

Not saying I think he is on the same level of the example I’m about to use (he is much better) but imagine if Kemba for the super max and was eligible for it.

I think the super max might actually hinder small market teams more than help them.

Once again - Dame deserves it, I would’ve given it to him, he is worth it — but in my *ideal* NBA... a lot of these players wouldn’t even sniff a “max” contract, let alone a super max. It’s getting slightly out of hand in my opinion.

It’s kinda like opening the flood gates to the hall of fame. At some point everyone who knows how to dribble a ball is gonna be in the hall of fame and it begins to lose its luster.

Slightly?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Alright — I’ll say it.

Does Dame deserve it? Yes.

Is Dame worth it? Yes.

Is this *really* in the best interest of the franchise *winning*? Not in my opinion (in my dream world.)

Paying that absurd amount of money for *one*’player significantly hinders the ability to construct a team around said player.

MJ and LeBron in their prime are the only players that are realistically worth this kinda cash in my opinion.

I’d also add this — a lot of non-super max guys aren’t worth the max either — yet still get it.

You gotta do what you gotta do to retain your players and keep talent.

But realistically, this kinda cash should be reserved for someone who virtually guarantees you a shot at the chip // multiple time MVP winners.

Not saying I think he is on the same level of the example I’m about to use (he is much better) but imagine if Kemba for the super max and was eligible for it.

I think the super max might actually hinder small market teams more than help them.

Once again - Dame deserves it, I would’ve given it to him, he is worth it — but in my *ideal* NBA... a lot of these players wouldn’t even sniff a “max” contract, let alone a super max. It’s getting slightly out of hand in my opinion.

It’s kinda like opening the flood gates to the hall of fame. At some point everyone who knows how to dribble a ball is gonna be in the hall of fame and it begins to lose its luster.

The supermax can put franchises in a weird position. It is hard to find Stars heck it can be hard to find fringe Stars.

When you get one in a market like Portland you basically have to do everything to keep them happy, and so yeah they have to give it to Dame and I know people don't love CJ but he’s gonna get paid too if they cant trade him for another fringe all star type.

It can kind of freeze your teams ability to build a quality roster though. Its hard to win with a bad roster, its also hard to win without stars.

Id have given Dame that contract if I was in their shoes and it would not have really scared me. I think he deserves it and they’ll at least be competitive while Dame is here so even if they arent contenders towards the end of the contract keeping them as a playoff team is still valuable financially to the team.

Also its interesting when we talk about what players are worth, we (the general we) look at several guys and think they’re overpaid and sure some probably are, but theres a lot more to being a valuable asset in the NBA then just box scores too, some guys would have gotten the same contract somewhere else, and in those cases thats just what the market set their value too.

 

[hoopsjock]

You clearly didn’t read the post.

I did actually.

1) Just because you think the rule should be different it doesn't change reality.

2) When you say you think Dame deserves the money that seems like lip service when you then go on to explain why he doesn't.

 

[JoshuaHall]

I did actually.

1) Just because you think the rule should be different it doesn't change reality.

2) When you say you think Dame deserves the money that seems like lip service when you then go on to explain why he doesn't.

1) I didn’t say the rule should be different, I said that the super-max (and other max contracts) are getting out of hand — and I recognize teams *have* to pay them in order to retain stars — but sooner, rather than later, it will hinder the ability to win significantly.

2) Are your Floyd Mayweather Jr.? Jesus how many times did I say he is worth it, I would’ve given it to him — and never said he doesn’t deserve it.

I think Derek Zoolander might be opening a school for ya bud.

 

[MarAzul]

He is going to explode and have his biggest career year ever.

That is quite an explosion, right after a 4 an 0 stuffing in the finals. Same old issues to face at that level as seen year after year. Same coach, same system with a few new faces....

 

[JoshuaHall]

The supermax can put franchises in a weird position. It is hard to find Stars heck it can be hard to find fringe Stars.

When you get one in a market like Portland you basically have to do everything to keep them happy, and so yeah they have to give it to Dame and I know people don't love CJ but he’s gonna get paid too if they cant trade him for another fringe all star type.

It can kind of freeze your teams ability to build a quality roster though. Its hard to win with a bad roster, its also hard to win without stars.

Id have given Dame that contract if I was in their shoes and it would not have really scared me. I think he deserves it and they’ll at least be competitive while Dame is here so even if they arent contenders towards the end of the contract keeping them as a playoff team is still valuable financially to the team.

Also its interesting when we talk about what players are worth, we (the general we) look at several guys and think they’re overpaid and sure some probably are, but theres a lot more to being a valuable asset in the NBA then just box scores too, some guys would have gotten the same contract somewhere else, and in those cases thats just what the market set their value too.

I agree with everything you said.

My sole point is that at some point there is diminishing returns on a super max contract — I.e. if Kemba got one and was eligible — and at some point a smart owner is gonna say “yeah, we could pay you all this money, but it ain’t worth it. We will risk offering you the normal max with an extra year (per CBA rules) but not the whole meal deal” (I said this isn’t the case with Dame — and compared him to Kemba for this reason — someone I don’t think you could give that money too). The reason I posted it here is because seeing someone get 50 mill in a season kinda puts things in a different perspective for me when other “max” contract guys just got 25-30.

My issue is this: The supermax contract doesn’t let the market determine your value. It’s designed to prevent the market from determine your value by paying you such an absurd amount.

So — small market teams — out of fear are going to have to give super max contracts to players who wouldn’t sniff that value in the open market (since another team couldn’t offer them that kinda money anyway). So out of fear, they’re going to have to act out of desperation, and probably lose all flexibility and ability to surround said player with a decent roster.

Like I said — I would’ve done it for Dame — but imagine Kemba was eligible, if I was MJ, I would’ve said hell no you’re not getting the super max.

I think this whole super max thing is going to be like the massive spike in the cap — and sooner or later — someone is gonna catch on and be like, ya, we just can’t build a team in this situation (especially with the hard cap).

Once again — for other readers — this isn’t just about Dame and the Blazers - it’s about the long term viability of paying a player that quantity of money around the league.

(I did say in my “dream world” — which acknowledges not reality — that there would be 2 players who are actually worth paying this sum of money, imo.)

 

[hoopsjock]

1) I didn’t say the rule should be different, I said that the super-max (and other max contracts) are getting out of hand — and I recognize teams *have* to pay them in order to retain stars — but sooner, rather than later, it will hinder the ability to win significantly.

2) Are your Floyd Mayweather Jr.? Jesus how many times did I say he is worth it, I would’ve given it to him — and never said he doesn’t deserve it.

I think Derek Zoolander might be opening a school for ya bud.

My reading comprehension is fine. What I have an issue with is that when you say Dame deserves it but also say things like only players that are guaranteed a chance at a championship deserve to get the super max.

You're also trying to explain why the super max is flawed for small market teams but are now saying you aren't trying to say the rule should be different.

 

[Dougnsalem]

That is quite an explosion, right after a 4 an 0 stuffing in the finals. Same old issues to face at that level as seen year after year. Same coach, same system with a few new faces....

True. We could end up being swept in the first round, if we even make the playoffs. I'm going to be really happy though, if that journey has Hassan Whiteside flying through the air and slamming dunks down, blocking shots left and right; instead of watching Meyers contemplate for 5 second, if he should shoot his open three. That's all I was saying. I see Whiteside as an exciting player to pick up.

Now, I did hope the same when we got Uncle Festus; and we all know how that worked out.....

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I agree with everything you said.

My sole point is that at some point there is diminishing returns on a super max contract — I.e. if Kemba got one and was eligible — and at some point a smart owner is gonna say “yeah, we could pay you all this money, but it ain’t worth it. We will risk offering you the normal max with an extra year (per CBA rules) but not the whole meal deal” (I said this isn’t the case with Dame — and compared him to Kemba for this reason — someone I don’t think you could give that money too). The reason I posted it here is because seeing someone get 50 mill in a season kinda puts things in a different perspective for me when other “max” contract guys just got 25-30.

My issue is this: The supermax contract doesn’t let the market determine your value. It’s designed to prevent the market from determine your value by paying you such an absurd amount.

So — small market teams — out of fear are going to have to give super max contracts to players who wouldn’t sniff that value in the open market (since another team couldn’t offer them that kinda money anyway). So out of fear, they’re going to have to act out of desperation, and probably lose all flexibility and ability to surround said player with a decent roster.

Like I said — I would’ve done it for Dame — but imagine Kemba was eligible, if I was MJ, I would’ve said hell no you’re not getting the super max.

I think this whole super max thing is going to be like the massive spike in the cap — and sooner or later — someone is gonna catch on and be like, ya, we just can’t build a team in this situation (especially with the hard cap).

Once again — for other readers — this isn’t just about Dame and the Blazers - it’s about the long term viability of paying a player that quantity of money around the league.

(I did say in my “dream world” — which acknowledges not reality — that there would be 2 players who are actually worth paying this sum of money, imo.)

I basically agree with you. My personal feelings is the rule should be changed. Every team should have one player who is on their roster that can sign a 5 year deal for any amount thats negotiated, player cannot be traded, it’s counted as 25 percent of the cap. Has similar rules to the super max in terms of eligibility.
Protects the player as some guys like Lebron could probably have negotiated 300M, protects the team they can demand a trade but well they cant be traded. Allows teams to pay the guy they want married too, without completely hamstringing their cap situation.

This may discourage top end players from grouping up too. As guys may think hey I can go somewhere and earn my way to negotiating enough money to buy an island.

The supermax can totally bite a team in the butt cap wise, and so can the regular max.

 

[Dougnsalem]

I basically agree with you. My personal feelings is the rule should be changed. Every team should have one player who is on their roster that can sign a 5 year deal for any amount thats negotiated, player cannot be traded, it’s counted as 25 percent of the cap. Has similar rules in to the super max in terms of eligibility.
Protects the player as some guys like Lebron could probably have negotiated 300M, protects the team they can demand a trade but well they cant be traded. Allows teams to pay the guy they want married too, without completely hamstringing their cap situation.

This may discourage top end players from grouping up too. As guys may think hey I can go somewhere and earn my way to negotiating enough money to buy an island.

The supermax can totally bite a team in the butt cap wise, and so can the regular max.

That's actually a great idea. I like that....

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

That's actually a great idea. I like that....

Im sure there are holes in it and ways teams could take advantage of it, that I haven't though of. It probably needs fleshed out by cba lawyers lol

 

[Dougnsalem]

Im sure there are holes in it and ways teams could take advantage of it, that I haven't though of. It probably needs fleshed out by cba lawyers lol

You better start calling them then. Lol. It does make sense to me. I'm no expert on all that CBA stuff though....

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[MarAzul]

I see Whiteside as an exciting player to pick up.

No doubt. I like that shit too. But dang, that ain't going win the big time!

 

[Dougnsalem]

 

[illmatic99]

Did you guys catch the player option for 24-25? Wonder if there's trade kicker too?

 

[Wizard Mentor]

“I didn’t have to go and play with the best players just to get it done. For me, this is the way I want to do it. And I know that if it doesn’t happen I can live with it because I know the route that I chose.”

 

[ABM]

Heh...

https://www.12up.com/posts/4-times-stephen-a-smith-has-been-unbelievably-wrong-01dff23g61cm

4 Times Stephen A. Smith Has Been Unbelievably Wrong

2. Damian Lillard to the Knicks!

Golden State Warriors v Portland Trail Blazers - Game Four


How could we ever forget this one?!In July of 2018, Smith said: "Damian Lillard’s preference would be for the Portland Trail Blazers to find somebody, somebody big time to join him and CJ McCollum in Portland. That’s Damian Lillard’s preference. But if they can’t improve the team and if they can’t find anybody, then he’s interested in going one of two places: my sources tell me it’s the Lakers or the Knicks.” And that's all despite the fact that Dame Dolla has stated, on numerous occasions, that he loathes the idea of creating a superteam. Not to mention that he adores the city of Portland and the Trail Blazers organization, signing a supermax contract with them this offseason......

 

[GDiama]

Like I said — I would’ve done it for Dame — but imagine Kemba was eligible, if I was MJ, I would’ve said hell no you’re not getting the super max.

And end up with Terry Rozier as your franchise player!

 

[Wizard Mentor]

His comments on the 2006 draft seem to have been purged from the web. However, his declaring "I don't know what Portland is doing" and ranting about how bad their draft was for several minutes was definitely, and everyone recognized it at the time, wrong. Blazers selected Roy and Aldridge that draft.

Heh...

https://www.12up.com/posts/4-times-stephen-a-smith-has-been-unbelievably-wrong-01dff23g61cm

4 Times Stephen A. Smith Has Been Unbelievably Wrong

2. Damian Lillard to the Knicks!

Golden State Warriors v Portland Trail Blazers - Game Four


How could we ever forget this one?!In July of 2018, Smith said: "Damian Lillard’s preference would be for the Portland Trail Blazers to find somebody, somebody big time to join him and CJ McCollum in Portland. That’s Damian Lillard’s preference. But if they can’t improve the team and if they can’t find anybody, then he’s interested in going one of two places: my sources tell me it’s the Lakers or the Knicks.” And that's all despite the fact that Dame Dolla has stated, on numerous occasions, that he loathes the idea of creating a superteam. Not to mention that he adores the city of Portland and the Trail Blazers organization, signing a supermax contract with them this offseason......