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Natebishop3 said:
He was motivated by money. Bigger payday next season. Aldridge clearly wasn't motivated by money.
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He wanted to play for LA. He could have signed the contract he wanted with the Bulls. Or he could have played out his QO and made MORE money.
 
Denny Crane said:
Butler wanted to sign a one year contract with LA.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/29/8861249/Jimmy-butler-rumors-los-angeles-lakers-chicago-bulls
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Yet, he didn't demand a trade.

Didn't cancel his sponsorships or sell all his shit.

And he didn't say, once again, in a published articlr, that he HATES Chicago.

And in the end, he eventually signed a long term contract with the bulls.

Do you think if he said fuck you, I'm taking the qualifying offer, the Bulls would just sit and wait the whole year?

Yea, me neither.
 
Denny Crane said:
He wanted to play for LA. He could have signed the contract he wanted with the Bulls. Or he could have played out his QO and made MORE money.
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Yet, he didn't. He signed a long term contract with the bulls - because he wants to be there.

You're arguing against yourself now.
 
ThugginPaulyGAllen said:
Yet, he didn't demand a trade.

Didn't cancel his sponsorships or sell all his shit.

And he didn't say, once again, in a published articlr, that he HATES Chicago.

And in the end, he eventually signed a long term contract with the bulls.

Do you think if he said fuck you, I'm taking the qualifying offer, the Bulls would just sit and wait the whole year?

Yea, me neither.
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http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q100

There are two additional circumstances in which a trade requires the player's consent:

  • When the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, his Larry Bird/Early Bird rights are not traded with him, and instead becomes a Non-Bird free agent3.
  • For one year after exercising the right of first refusal to keep a restricted free agent. The player must consent to a trade to any team, although he cannot be traded to the team that signed him to the offer sheet.
 
ThugginPaulyGAllen said:
Yet, he didn't. He signed a long term contract with the bulls - because he wants to be there.

You're arguing against yourself now.
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He signed with the Bulls because they gave him the Maximum Qualifying Offer which wouldn't allow him to sign anywhere else without the Bulls matching (he'd be stuck for 3 years anyway). He could have risked injury and signed the regular QO and made more money ($7M more over 5 years). An injury would have cost him many tens of $millions.
 
Yes. It hurts that we didn't get anything for Aldridge and co. abut I don't see how you can be extremely angry with Olshey. Until Mathews injury, we had a shot at the Western Conference Finals. And that doesn't happen to often. Olshey learned a hard lesson this as GM as did we all. And that is that, in a market like Portland, you already have you're next trade ready. The Blazers have to treat their players like assets or prisoners. I guarantee he won't make the same mistake twice.
 
andalusian said:
This would have been 1 year ago, not two, which means that you would trade the best player of a team that finally made it to the 2nd round and seemed to be poised to take another step with another year for Dame.

That deal happened because LBJ went to to the Cavs last year and the things that cascaded from it. It was not a deal that would have happened in 2013.
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Absolutely this! This is why I defend Olshey. If we went out the first round again, that deal with Cleveland would have gone down.

So we were unlucky because we were good enough to keep Aldridge. Then we were unlucky because we were just not good enough because of injuries.

The hindsight filter is fucking stupid and is only used for people to support bashing.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Neil is sleeping on the job.

Per source.
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Per sauces.

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Denny Crane said:
He signed with the Bulls because they gave him the Maximum Qualifying Offer which wouldn't allow him to sign anywhere else without the Bulls matching (he'd be stuck for 3 years anyway). He could have risked injury and signed the regular QO and made more money ($7M more over 5 years). An injury would have cost him many tens of $millions.
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So, you really think if Jimmy Butler was going to be an unrestricted free agent this year, the Bulls would've been okay with him turning down there extension last year?

You really think last summer would've been

BULLS: Hey jimmy, here's your offer.

Jimmy: Thanks, but I'll pass.

BULLS: (hypothetically he is a UFA and not a RFA). Oh why not?

Jimmy: don't worry, I'll come back. Just wanna enjoy the process.

Bulls: oh sure alright!

Jimmy: don't mind the reports of me wanting to go to LA..nothing to them.

Bulls: oh good we won't trade you to another team then.

Jimmy: cool!

______

BULL. SHIT. They woulda traded him ASAP if he was unrestricted and refused a max extension.
 
Li
Denny Crane said:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q100

There are two additional circumstances in which a trade requires the player's consent:

  • When the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, his Larry Bird/Early Bird rights are not traded with him, and instead becomes a Non-Bird free agent3.
  • For one year after exercising the right of first refusal to keep a restricted free agent. The player must consent to a trade to any team, although he cannot be traded to the team that signed him to the offer sheet.
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Okay? What does this have to do with anything?

Edit - you're saying he would refuse a trade to the lakers, if this indeed where he wanted to go and demanded a trade?

Cuz in this scenario we would be talking the bulls organization refusing to grant HIS trade request. Seeing as you say this is applicable to LMAs situation...
 
ripcityboy said:
Yes. It hurts that we didn't get anything for Aldridge and co. abut I don't see how you can be extremely angry with Olshey. Until Mathews injury, we had a shot at the Western Conference Finals. And that doesn't happen to often. Olshey learned a hard lesson this as GM as did we all. And that is that, in a market like Portland, you already have you're next trade ready. The Blazers have to treat their players like assets or prisoners. I guarantee he won't make the same mistake twice.
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This is the hard part for me. I've been a die hard Blazer fan forever and am to the point where I don't know if I have it in me to continue to even be an NBA fan I'm so disillusioned. It feels like we get more than our share of disappointment and even our own local media makes it seem like Portland is the worst possible place to play. Like we still owe #12 something when he was all about CTC and pretended otherwise - the fans were nothing to him. He NEVER cared about us, so he got paid and earned lots of money and applause and now he's gone and we're done. He doesn't deserve any more love from this franchise or the fans and will never deserve to have his number retired... in fact, I hope #12 is the first number given away to a new guy.

How do I continue to cheer for a team that has absolutely no chance of ever succeeding? I'm feeling pretty hopeless. #12 had every right to leave but I don't understand how a person, who truly was beloved by tens of thousands of fans here (whether he wanted to accept it or believe it is a different story), could not at least privately go to Neil and say, "I'm really leaving", instead of false promises or wishy washy answers. That former player not only made a western conference team better, he completely eliminated us as competition. He did not have to destroy the team on the way out.
 
ThugginPaulyGAllen said:
Li

Okay? What does this have to do with anything?

Edit - you're saying he would refuse a trade to the lakers, if this indeed where he wanted to go and demanded a trade?

Cuz in this scenario we would be talking the bulls organization refusing to grant HIS trade request. Seeing as you say this is applicable to LMAs situation...
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The Bulls wouldn't trade him to LA. They'd trade him to Minnesota or someplace else he doesn't want to go. He'd refuse, so they're stuck with him. LA isn't giving up squat in return, because they know they can sign him without compensating the Bulls. We saw the Lakers take a huge gamble once, taking DHoward in trade. He bolted that summer as a UFA. Nobody's going to make that mistake again.

You asked about players/teams that took risk. The Bulls risked losing Jimmy for nothing. He could have signed the regular QO and left for zippo, nada, zilch in return.

You asked, you got a good answer.

But as BrianFromWA keeps posting, something like 3 of 38 big name UFAs have left their teams for nothing in recent years.

I guarantee you if Olshey traded LMA, half the fans would have been very pissed off. The other half would have been pissed off if he used a couple of 1sts he got in return for Thomas Robinson and Jimmer Freddette.

He actually did the right thing, which was to try to get LMA to stay. There really aren't many players you'd get back, even as 1st round picks, who'd be worthwhile in actual trade value.
 
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I'll defend Olshey. His moves have been fantastic, as the OP states.

Given:

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If you aren't likely to win, a reload makes a LOT of sense. If you don't have a means to add to the existing core to improve your chances enough, a rebuild is called for.
 
Denny Crane said:
I'll defend Olshey. His moves have been fantastic, as the OP states.

Given:

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If you aren't likely to win, a reload makes a LOT of sense. If you don't have a means to add to the existing core to improve your chances enough, a rebuild is called for.
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What was Golden State's odds last season? I'm guessing 16/1?
 
magnifier661 said:
What was Golden State's odds last season? I'm guessing 16/1?
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The Warriors were ready to trade Klay Thompson+ to get Kevin Love last summer.

Anything can happen, of course. That's why they play the games.

But you have to try to position your team to win it all, if that's your goal. If you assess you're not going to with the roster you have, you have to change the roster or pray other teams get injured (as GSW's opponents did in the playoffs, no?)
 
Nikolokolus said:
Shitloads of people around here were saying this at least 18 months prior. That's foresight, not hindsight.
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Its pretty simple, LMA would still be on this team if Wes didnt tear his achilles, which given his iron-man status, and being a healthy nba player in his first 6 seasons, was not likely /discussion re-lma

I'm ok with the risk that was taken. The reason people were thinking of trading him then is because we came off of a 33 win season, and im sure you, nik, one of the most pessimistic on this board, would have never guessed we would have won 54 games the following season
 
Maybe if our players went the route of Channing Frye and embraced the actual city life and didn't move to fucking Tualatin or Lake Oswego word might spread that Portland isn't such a shitty place to be. Take the tax aspect out of the equation and I'm just having a really hard time digesting that Portland couldn't be a great place for a young professional athlete to live. I'm sick of hearing it. This isn't Terry and Clyde's Portland. Shit, this isn't even Sheed's Portland. The city has grown up quite a bit. And it's not like because it's a majority white city that the African American players are living in some oppressed community. There may be a lack of racial culture in Portland but that doesn't mean people are racist. In fact, it's quite the opposite.
 
Denny Crane said:
I'll defend Olshey. His moves have been fantastic, as the OP states.

Given:

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If you aren't likely to win, a reload makes a LOT of sense. If you don't have a means to add to the existing core to improve your chances enough, a rebuild is called for.
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I'd like to see the bottom of that chart. Are the blazers 100-1, or 1000-1?

barfo
 
barfo said:
I'd like to see the bottom of that chart. Are the blazers 100-1, or 1000-1?

barfo
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Before free agency the Blazers were 50/1...as of July 6 and the subsequent free agency losses the Blazers now stand at 100/1.
 
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