Defending Olshey

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Denny Crane said:
The Bulls wouldn't trade him to LA. They'd trade him to Minnesota or someplace else he doesn't want to go. He'd refuse, so they're stuck with him. LA isn't giving up squat in return, because they know they can sign him without compensating the Bulls. We saw the Lakers take a huge gamble once, taking DHoward in trade. He bolted that summer as a UFA. Nobody's going to make that mistake again.

You asked about players/teams that took risk. The Bulls risked losing Jimmy for nothing. He could have signed the regular QO and left for zippo, nada, zilch in return.

You asked, you got a good answer.

But as BrianFromWA keeps posting, something like 3 of 38 big name UFAs have left their teams with nothing in recent years.

I guarantee you if Olshey traded LMA, half the fans would have been very pissed off. The other half would have been pissed off if he used a couple of 1sts he got in return for Thomas Robinson and Jimmer Freddette.

He actually did the right thing, which was to try to get LMA to stay. There really aren't many players you'd get back, even as 1st round picks, who'd be worthwhile in actual trade value.
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I don't recall asking about players or teams taking the risk, ever. Because no one - in recent memory- has the history Lamarcus does.

Once again, for the LAST time - Butler NEVER requested a trade, he NEVER stated in a PUBLISHED ARTICLE that he HATED Chicago and he NEVER turned down a MAX extension to say, "I just want to look at my options." while privately cancelling all his endorsements and selling all his assets tied to Portland. They didn't truly risk losing him for nothing since his worst case scenario was to sign the qualifying offer, in which case they simply could've said, well, where do you want to go? We will trade you to them to get a draft pick, AT LEAST. That's better than NOTHING. Also, there were not PLENTY of warning signs that Jimmy Butler CLEARLY wanted OUT of Chicago based on - the things in bold, which are applicable to LMA's situation. Making it COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

Additionally, I'd say the risk of Jimmy BUtler leaving was mitigated by him playing out last year without an extension. Doing it two years in a row - AS HE STATED HIMSELF - he got what he was looking for ---- a max contract offer with longevity. LMA wasn't looking for that, HE ALREADY HAD IT.

Also, I wasn't looking to trade lMA this past year.I would've traded him to the Bulls in 2013, or the Sacramento queens for DMC - if that was ever a legitimate option. Once it got to last year, we were pretty much fucked. That I agree with.

Also the bulls would have no say in where Butler went if he was in LMA situation. The player gets to dictate by telling the team trading for them, "well I won't sign with you - hence Kevin Love and Dwight Howard going to teams of their choosing. Yeah, Dwight bailed on LA, but as you say, there is a 3/38 chance of that happening. But Dwight didn't have the history LMA has of hating the city he plays for.

The fuck up was not trading LMA for the Bulls godfather offer while it was on the table or the Cavs last year. Yeah, fans could've been pissed, but you know what? All Olshey would've had to say is - "LaMarcus didn't want to be in Portland long term. We had to make a move."

And all the fans would've understood, he wanted fucking out.
 
Duvalier said:
Interesting. I looked at the odds from Westgate in Las Vegas.
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I believe you. 50-1 before all the moves isn't very encouraging. 75-1 or 100-1 after is the same result: slim chance.
 
I'd be interested to see the LMA 'I hate Portland' link. I don't remember ever hearing about that.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I'd be interested to see the LMA 'I hate Portland' link. I don't remember ever hearing about that.

barfo
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It was something to do with Jason Quick. He asked LMA about something and LMA said something along the lines of "This is why I hate Portland" or something like that.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It was something to do with Jason Quick. He asked LMA about something and LMA said something along the lines of "This is why I hate Portland" or something like that.
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Actually, I found it:

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By Quick's own account, he badgered LMA until LMA got pissed off.

After the game, I approached Aldridge again, this time in the locker room. I asked more questions about his past sponsorships and why he suddenly this year decided not to renew any of them. And since our pregame talk, I had received more information, again through a third party: He was trying to put a clause into his lease that if he was traded, he wouldn’t have to pay penalties for breaking the lease early.

Aldridge was irritated.

“This is why I hate being in Portland,’’ he told me. “You can’t do anything.’’
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I hate to defend LMA, but that's more a statement that he hates Quick than that he hates Portland.

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
The Warriors were ready to trade Klay Thompson+ to get Kevin Love last summer.

Anything can happen, of course. That's why they play the games.

But you have to try to position your team to win it all, if that's your goal. If you assess you're not going to with the roster you have, you have to change the roster or pray other teams get injured (as GSW's opponents did in the playoffs, no?)
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Don't get me wrong bro. I understand your point and agree. I'm just saying sometimes you can beat the odds and come together. A lot of these players were on some shitty teams, which can effect the way they perform. Maybe in a good environment, they can make a decent leap. Something like Rolo did for us.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Shitloads of people around here were saying this at least 18 months prior. That's foresight, not hindsight.
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So you are saying if Wes doesn't go down with injury and we make a deep run, Aldridge was gonna bolt?
 
Olshey from that same article:

How was Olshey going to handle Aldridge moving forward?

“Well, I’ll tell you this: I’m not going to be making any phone calls to move him,’’ Olshey said. “But if the phone rings and it makes the team better ...’’

He shrugged.
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barfo
 
magnifier661 said:
So you are saying if Wes doesn't go down with injury and we make a deep run, Aldridge was gonna bolt?
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I think it would have taken a trip to the WCF at least, and even then.... I don't know. The groundwork had been laid. He clearly wanted out.
 
While his draft choices have been solid, his free agent signings and trades aren't really anything to throw a bow at...I'll give this much to him...he is one hell of a GM. He has the ability to get something for nothing, but right now I can tell you he's sweating...probably loosened that tie a few notches.
 
OSUBlazerfan said:
Its pretty simple, LMA would still be on this team if Wes didnt tear his achilles, which given his iron-man status, and being a healthy nba player in his first 6 seasons, was not likely /discussion re-lma

I'm ok with the risk that was taken. The reason people were thinking of trading him then is because we came off of a 33 win season, and im sure you, nik, one of the most pessimistic on this board, would have never guessed we would have won 54 games the following season
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I dont agree with that assertion. I would bet that LMA would have left regardless. With that being the basis of your viewpoint, there is not much to discuss since we can never know for sure what would have happened IF.......
 
Actually, I don't think Olshey needs "defending". The only person whose opinion matters is Paul Allen. As long as the Seahawks are winning - Olshey is safe.
 
I really believe LMA meant it when he said he wanted to be the best Blazer ever and didn't want this to end...when he said it.
Things change. Life changes. Feelings change. Nothing remains the same forever.
What would it have taken to keep LMA here?
No Wes Injury
No Afflalo injury
A first round win and tough fought second round series
The signing of the likes of a Gasol or LBJ

EVEN THEN HE MIGHT HAVE WENT HOME TO FAMILY. and no one can blame him for that in my opinion.

Shit happens.
Shit changes.

Will I cheer him when he comes?
Yeah. I honestly don't think he ever meant us any harm and he was truly looking for a winning situation, which is proven by how many teams he checked out and the types of questions he asked that were reported. BTW, Phoenix is much closer to Texas than we are, so IF he had chosen them, I would still consider the move to be family motivated.
This was his biggest decision of his career and I don't think he honestly knew until after Wes injury that he was seriously thinking about moving on, and I don't think he got REALLY serious with that until after the 1st round oust.
 
Sometimes you take risks as a GM..Olshey is not afraid to take a risk. I like it personally. I didn't see Jared Jeffries, Hasheem Thabeet Nolan Smith on the roster
 
ripcityboy said:
Yes. It hurts that we didn't get anything for Aldridge and co. abut I don't see how you can be extremely angry with Olshey. Until Mathews injury, we had a shot at the Western Conference Finals. And that doesn't happen to often. Olshey learned a hard lesson this as GM as did we all. And that is that, in a market like Portland, you already have you're next trade ready. The Blazers have to treat their players like assets or prisoners. I guarantee he won't make the same mistake twice.
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Great post! Someone who isn't a cynical fear monger know it all, what a refreshing take! All these "I knew LMA was going to leave before he was born" posts are already quite old. This post is like watching the daily show after being forced to watch of Fox news for the last week.
 
riverman said:
Sometimes you take risks as a GM..Olshey is not afraid to take a risk. I like it personally. I didn't see Jared Jeffries, Hasheem Thabeet Nolan Smith on the roster
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Good post - again refreshing to see someone else also understands risks, keep up the good fight riverman.
 
Voodoo said:
Great post! Someone who isn't a cynical fear monger know it all, what a refreshing take! All these "I knew LMA was going to leave before he was born" posts are already quite old. This post is like watching the daily show after being forced to watch of Fox news for the last week.
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That's because you have no idea what it was like two years ago and you have no idea how it felt to have our opinion thrown back in our face repeatedly. They called us haters because we thought there was a very good chance that he goes back to Texas. They brought it up again last summer when he said he wanted to retire as the best blazer ever and that he was only waiting to sign for that extra year.

So we have been waiting for two years to see if we were right, and it turns out we were, so now we get to dish out some of the trash that we have received for the past two years. Sorry if that bothers you but you have no idea what we went through.


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I am going to tear up a little bit when I see LMA hoist the trophy and not be in a Blazers uniform... :(
 
When you look at the individual moves Olshey has made, it is easy to rationalize and justify every action.

However, when you look at all of the moves Olshey has made as a group since signing on as the Blazer’s GM, I do not see a long term plan.

The only pattern or plan I see is how Olshey has used his cap space to sign free agents. Every July, he has missed out on signing his primary free agent target, and then gone dumpster diving to fill in some of the holes.

This ride Olshey is taking us on feels like an out of control rollercoaster. Everyone is hanging on hoping for a safe landing, including Olshey.
 
oldfisherman said:
When you look at the individual moves Olshey has made, it is easy to rationalize and justify every action.

However, when you look at all of the moves Olshey has made as a group since signing on as the Blazer’s GM, I do not see a long term plan.

The only pattern or plan I see is how Olshey has used his cap space to sign free agents. Every July, he has missed out on signing his primary free agent target, and then gone dumpster diving to fill in some of the holes.

This ride Olshey is taking us on feels like an out of control rollercoaster. Everyone is hanging on hoping for a safe landing, including Olshey.
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I think the plan was to make Aldridge happy. Most of the moves were made to keep him happy. So the biggest question is whether the most recent moves were to keep him happy so he would re-sign, OR were they to start the rebuilding process?
 
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