Politics Democrats have owned this state for decades - what do we have to show for it?

[MARIS61]

Maybe if Knute had lost in the primary to the Ebola virus...

And the Ebola virus ran against Kate Brown for Governor...

Maybe then I could vote for her...

Nah, still gotta go with the lesser of 2 evils.

 

[barfo]

If the current point guard is Chris Kaman then yes. Let’s not act like Kate Brown is Lillard in a slump.

Exactly my point. You have to compare the options, not just say 'the current one sucks so we should change'.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Maybe if Knute had lost in the primary to the Ebola virus...

And the Ebola virus ran against Kate Brown for Governor...

Maybe then I could vote for her...

Nah, still gotta go with the lesser of 2 evils.

Not surprised to hear that the Ebola virus is Republican.

barfo

 

[Hobbesarable]

The problem with Oregon's Public School Education goes way deeper than the Governor. A person could literally write a 1,000 page tome and not cover the subject sufficiently well enough.

The Governor is just one part of the multifaceted problem that happens to include the Oregon Department of Education and the local school boards.

 

[MarAzul]

The problem with Oregon's Public School Education goes way deeper than the Governor. A person could literally write a 1,000 page tome and not cover the subject sufficiently well enough.

The Governor is just one part of the multifaceted problem that happens to include the Oregon Department of Education and the local school boards.

You left that opinion open enough that I can agree with you.

Once you were not stuck with poorly run schools. You could run for the school board and make some changes or you could move to where schools were run better. None of that works now.

Basically the school districts spend the same per student all over the state. What does that get you? Nothing really but the appearance of
equal effort. But it is not even close. Oregon's immigration policy which they are not suppose to have, exacerbated the problems horribly. But if you keep at them I am sure the Dems will have an answer within 50 years or so. Will you give them that long?

 

[calvin natt]

This is a really stupid post. Really...

Not your job? But it's your job to complain?

The idiocy of this post is that I didn't even vote Democrat in 2016.

I did vote for Kate Brown. Knute Bueler had his sights on cutting my son's healthcare. Easy choice.

I'm also a registered Independent...

WTF makes you think I'm Democrat?

There is nothing stupid about it. People are voted into an office they want to occupy and are actually paid to do. A. Job. Period. It’s not my job.

Do you have opinions on the Blazers? How dare you. I mean it’s not your job. I can have opinions on Kate Brown and fucking tents all over the city. I do not by any means know everything about Knute Beuhler. But from what I gathered he just might have done something differently than our useless Kate Brown. I get it. You had personal reasons for liking her. Great. I still won’t call you stupid or an idiot.

 

[calvin natt]

Exactly my point. You have to compare the options, not just say 'the current one sucks so we should change'.

barfo

Ok.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You left that opinion open enough that I can agree with you.

Once you were not stuck with poorly run schools. You could run for the school board and make some changes or you could move to where schools were run better. None of that works now.

Basically the school districts spend the same per student all over the state. What does that get you? Nothing really but the appearance of
equal effort. But it is not even close. Oregon's immigration policy which they are not suppose to have, exacerbated the problems horribly. But if you keep at them I am sure the Dems will have an answer within 50 years or so. Will you give them that long?

So you would deny a child a chance at an education? It's not their fault they are legal or illegal? But you're solution is hey, let's fuck over the most innocent and vulnerable in all of this.

Hey, why not give them to child molesters. It's not like they really matter and it would save the good American kids from those predators.

 

[MARIS61]

So you would deny a child a chance at an education?

Certainly not, they should return to their country and register post haste.

 

[MARIS61]

Exactly my point. You have to compare the options, not just say 'the current one sucks so we should change'.

barfo

If you're standing in a freeway lane near a curve with a semi bearing down on you at 90 miles an hour do you jump into the other lane even though you can't see if there's traffic in that lane?

 

[barfo]

If you're standing in a freeway lane near a curve with a semi bearing down on you at 90 miles an hour do you jump into the other lane even though you can't see if there's traffic in that lane?

Sure. There's a rational reason to believe that choice is better.

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

See, now I'll risk the insult rule and simply call you a dumbass.

I've said multiple times how that problem can be fixed but people like you don't listen.

I've ALWAYS said that people like YOU need to LOOK INWARD at your own privilege. THAT'S how we START to end racism.

Now, all you had to do was answer the question about a program you want to simply eliminate instead of figure out. All you had to say is just like most republicans, I don't have a fucking solution.

In closing, say smart things and make sense when you post.

This isn't a solution. This is the equivalent of me saying that the answer to PERS is just to invest better. You're essentially saying people need to just stop being assholes. That's about as likely as people not being greedy or selfish or immature or just plain stupid.\

Also, why do you need to resort to name calling? Is that really called for?

 

[H.C.]

Saying it's not a big burden or anything.

Teachers make more $ than 90% of their students ever will. That's how bad our public school system has become.

Do not change your original statement unless you admit you're wrong.
Why would any teacher complain to a child about having to spend their salary on the classroom?
It didn't happen in the 60's like you said. However it most certainly doesn't happen today.

This is not a debate, this is you being flat wrong. Then trying to hide your false assertion by changing the subject.
Just another day in the life of the OT section on this forum.

 

[Lanny]

Well, a good start would be to dump the entire Dem party in Oregon, since they created the mess, but there's no easy solution other than slashing huge numbers of administrators, teachers, prohibiting any extraneous expenses such as travel, employee education...and then stand tough the next time negotiations come around.

It will mean forcing a teacher's strike, then replacing them all with new teachers who will accept a less ridiculous retirement package. Like Reagan did with the Air Traffic Control Union.

In that case, they probably won't accept the low pay.
Which costs more, the reasonable pay or the more lavish retirement benefit?

 

[MarAzul]

Hey, why not give them to child molesters. It's not like they really matter and it would save the good American kids from those predators.

umm, what did you take to fuck your mind up to infer this tripe? Carry on.

 

[dviss1]

This isn't a solution. This is the equivalent of me saying that the answer to PERS is just to invest better. You're essentially saying people need to just stop being assholes. That's about as likely as people not being greedy or selfish or immature or just plain stupid.\

Also, why do you need to resort to name calling? Is that really called for?

Man.. My bad.. I'm sorry...

But you ask me that silly question when you already know my stance.

You still don't seem to get what I'm saying... It's shit like this man...

https://www.cdc.gov/minorityhealth/chdireport.html

 

[Natebishop3]

Man.. My bad.. I'm sorry...

But you ask me that silly question when you already know my stance.

You still don't seem to get what I'm saying... It's shit like this man...

https://www.cdc.gov/minorityhealth/chdireport.html

I'm just pointing out that it's silly to tell me that I personally need to come up with a solution to major problem if I want to bitch about it. That's all I'm trying to point to.

 

[Cippy91]

See, now I'll risk the insult rule and simply call you a dumbass.

I've said multiple times how that problem can be fixed but people like you don't listen.

I've ALWAYS said that people like YOU need to LOOK INWARD at your own privilege. THAT'S how we START to end racism.

Now, all you had to do was answer the question about a program you want to simply eliminate instead of figure out. All you had to say is just like most republicans, I don't have a fucking solution.

In closing, say smart things and make sense when you post.

It sure was risked and NOTHING was done about it. These are why I question the mods when it comes to dviss. Seems he has some sort of free pass just do spout whatever he wants. Now I haven't cared to post in the OT for a while because politics are fucking dumb and the clear reason why people are so crazy in this country these days but I will call this shit out because it has gone on and on and nobody sets this dude straight. Like a child not getting what he wanted and throwing a fit in the middle of toys r us.

 

[dviss1]

I'm just pointing out that it's silly to tell me that I personally need to come up with a solution to major problem if I want to bitch about it. That's all I'm trying to point to.

Flawed.

It's easy to bitch about something and point blame.

It's harder to say let's find a solution.

So, to sit and complain, about something that's more than likely not even effecting you, and point blame just arbitrarily saying it's the dems fault instead of saying:

"republicans should take over and they should do "this".

Whatever the fuck "this "would be, who knows. But please come with your "this"... Until then it's just whining about a problem that hasn't caused you one iota of detriment.

Bottom line:

To me it sounds like you want to cut people's pensions....

 

[MarAzul]

toys r us.

Didn't they go under a few years back? Perhaps that is the reason.

 

[Chris Craig]

It sure was risked and NOTHING was done about it. These are why I question the mods when it comes to dviss. Seems he has some sort of free pass just do spout whatever he wants. Now I haven't cared to post in the OT for a while because politics are fucking dumb and the clear reason why people are so crazy in this country these days but I will call this shit out because it has gone on and on and nobody sets this dude straight. Like a child not getting what he wanted and throwing a fit in the middle of toys r us.

No he doesn't his posts get edited\deleted just like everyone elses. He has to right to state his opinion. Point out what you believe are insults. Report them. It will be dealt with. Ive read through the posts in the last few pages of this thread. He is heated so what? He is attackibg the post not the poster. He is trying to get answers. What has he had done wrong?

 

[MarAzul]

To me it sounds like you want to cut people's pensions....

ummm, you seem very happy to see the health care part of millions of pensions cut a few years back.

 

[Cippy91]

I'm just pointing out that it's silly to tell me that I personally need to come up with a solution to major problem if I want to bitch about it. That's all I'm trying to point to.

Forever I was told about gun control I should come up with a solution. Barfo constantly would ask me to stop complaining about it and just come up with a solution. Go figure the solution I had actually is a thing because new york did it which was being required to learn about mental health in school. Of course though I was laughed at. Meanwhile Dviss, barfo or any of the same complainers have never had any reasonable solution. Just constant crying and moaning.

^^^Dviss mentioning whining and saying its easy to bitch about something. When has this dude ever offered a solution? too busy talking about them white folk and accusing people of being racist, not addressing others counter points. It's all about him, it always has been. That's not how you have a dialogue but fuck it what do I know?

 

[Cippy91]

No he doesn't his posts get edited\deleted just like everyone elses. He has to right to state his opinion. Point out what you believe are insults. Report them. It will be dealt with. Ive read through the posts in the last few pages of this thread. He is heated so what? He is attackibg the post not the poster. He is trying to get answers. What has he had done wrong?

Hmm I don't know calling people dumbasses? then some of the mods wanna act like the personal insult rule is really a thing yet he gets away with shit all the time. The rules are constantly bent for him, I am not the only one that thinks it but fuck it yeah let him go crazy on here, it's all good. Attacking the post is one thing but when you call somebody a dumbass even though that wouldn't offend me, it's still a part of this magical insult rule that exists and shifts and shapes depending on the poster

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Bottom line:

To me it sounds like you want to cut people's pensions....

That has been a common theme for decades. Not saying this is Nate's point of view as he is too young to retire, but....

Person a: makes higher salary in field, spends it all without putting anything away, doesn't have a pension when they retire.

Person b: makes less in their field because they know they were hired with a pension as a benefit for when they retire.

Person a gets butthurt when they want to retire and see person b with a pension.

 

[barfo]

Forever I was told about gun control I should come up with a solution. Barfo constantly would ask me to stop complaining about it and just come up with a solution. Go figure the solution I had actually is a thing because new york did it which was being required to learn about mental health in school. Of course though I was laughed at. Meanwhile Dviss, barfo or any of the same complainers have never had any reasonable solution. Just constant crying and moaning.

Hmm, not sure your representation of my posting history is factual in every respect.

barfo

 

[Chris Craig]

Hmm I don't know calling people dumbasses? then some of the mods wanna act like the personal insult rule is really a thing yet he gets away with shit all the time. The rules are constantly bent for him, I am not the only one that thinks it but fuck it yeah let him go crazy on here, it's all good. Attacking the post is one thing but when you call somebody a dumbass even though that wouldn't offend me, it's still a part of this magical insult rule that exists and shifts and shapes depending on the poster

I missed that post. Went back and edited it. I went back and read all his posts in this thread, that was the only insult. Just because we are mods doesn't mean we see everything. We miss stuff. That is why we have a report button. Stop making assumptions and push the button.

 

[Natebishop3]

Flawed.

It's easy to bitch about something and point blame.

It's harder to say let's find a solution.

So, to sit and complain, about something that's more than likely not even effecting you, and point blame just arbitrarily saying it's the dems fault instead of saying:

"republicans should take over and they should do "this".

Whatever the fuck "this "would be, who knows. But please come with your "this"... Until then it's just whining about a problem that hasn't caused you one iota of detriment.

Bottom line:

To me it sounds like you want to cut people's pensions....

So what does the state do when they go bankrupt trying to pay for PERS?

 

[Cippy91]

I missed that post. Went back and edited it. I went back and read all his posts in this thread, that was the only insult. Just because we are mods doesn't mean we see everything. We miss stuff. That is why we have a report button. Stop making assumptions and push the button.

Uh huh

 

[Natebishop3]

I missed that post. Went back and edited it. I went back and read all his posts in this thread, that was the only insult. Just because we are mods doesn't mean we see everything. We miss stuff. That is why we have a report button. Stop making assumptions and push the button.

Fuck that. You're supposed to be omnipotent and omnipresent.