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Even North Korea signed on but nope Trump is having none of it. The entire world is mocking the US right now and the republicans could give a shit.
 
My take is, we should begin working to save moisture fall when it runs off. The glaciers will be gone between 30N and 30S so we best learn to farm where possible while we have time.
The seas will rise until the ice melts, so begin the plan, and building dikes ain't a plan.

The rise and fall of the sea is in cycles, we have a record going back over 6 cycles. This is the first cycle where men are the dominate species on earth so I take it we do not cause the cycles.
In fact we are equal with the piss ant in having control over events of nature. Treaties are a joke that only man can create. Obama promised to stop the rise of the sea and failed
WTF is his treaty going to do? Get real people, study some science.
 
MarAzul said:
My take is, we should begin working to save moisture fall when it runs off. The glaciers will be gone between 30N and 30S so we best learn to farm where possible while we have time.
The seas will rise until the ice melts, so begin the plan, and building dikes ain't a plan.

The rise and fall of the sea is in cycles, we have a record going back over 6 cycles. This is the first cycle where men are the dominate species on earth so I take it we do not cause the cycles.
In fact we are equal with the piss ant in having control over events of nature. Treaties are a joke that only man can create. Obama promised to stop the rise of the sea and failed
WTF is his treaty going to do? Get real people, study some science.
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MarAzul said:
My take is, we should begin working to save moisture fall when it runs off. The glaciers will be gone between 30N and 30S so we best learn to farm where possible while we have time.
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I haven't heard Trump's plan for this, have you? Well, maybe he delegated that to his Ag Secretary. Oh, wait, that's Perdue, a guy who thinks agriculture policy involves praying for rain (literally and seriously).

The rise and fall of the sea is in cycles, we have a record going back over 6 cycles. This is the first cycle where men are the dominate species on earth so I take it we do not cause the cycles.
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You are right about that. We have not caused the major climate cycles of the planet to date.

In fact we are equal with the piss ant in having control over events of nature.
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For better or worse, that's just not accurate.

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The water is almost boiling but there are still a few frogs in the water who tell us that all is fine.

What are you gonna believe - your bankrupt ideology, or your own two eyes, or the death of your grandchildren?

Ribbit.

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Uhhh, I'm all for us not polluting the Earth but can anyone tell me one way this agreement did anything to stop it?

Just one, I tried reading the text of the agreement and it looks to be a bunch of nothing.

It did say each country gets to decide what it's going to do as progress. Why can't we quit the agreement and do what we would have done or more or less?

This seems like an abstinence pledge you'd all scoff at.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Uhhh, I'm all for us not polluting the Earth but can anyone tell me one way this agreement did anything to stop it?

Just one, I tried reading the text of the agreement and it looks to be a bunch of nothing.

It did say each country gets to decide what it's going to do as progress. Why can't we quit the agreement and do what we would have done or more or less?

This seems like an abstinence pledge you'd all scoff at.
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Kyoto was a failure, too. I'm talking about what it accomplished after hundreds of countries participated.

That one went to a vote in the senate, and was rejected 97-0. I suspect this deal would have faired equally poorly if Obama had brought it to a proper vote. As it stands, it was simply a way for him to commit the country to spend even money we don't have, long after he's (good riddance) gone.
 
Denny Crane said:
Kyoto was a failure, too. I'm talking about what it accomplished after hundreds of countries participated.

That one went to a vote in the senate, and was rejected 97-0. I suspect this deal would have faired equally poorly if Obama had brought it to a proper vote. As it stands, it was simply a way for him to commit the country to spend even money we don't have, long after he's (good riddance) gone.
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All I hear is talk about us quitting it but nothing about why it's bad except "cuz pollution"

If nobody can tell me why this is bad policy, just that Trump sucks and global warming is bad it was probably just a large donation to be embezzled somewhere along the lines.
 
A good read. More than 140 characters and without pictures, so maybe beyond some peoples' attention span.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/w...e-emissions-successful-and-what-of-its-future

Twenty-one countries met their emission targets, but most of these countries were not top emitters. For example, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania and Ukraine, combined account for only about 1% of the world’s share of carbon-dioxide emissions. “You have to judge Kyoto to have been a failure. Just on the merits of what was done as a result of the agreement and countries not actually living up to their commitments or staying with the agreement,” said Kenneth P. Green, an environmental scientist at the Fraser Institute.

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Canada, active in negotiations under the Chrétien Liberals, signed the accord in 1997 and ratified it in 2002. Canada initially set its emission target to be 6% lower than its 1990 base year. Canada ended up being more than 20% above its base year when it decided to withdraw in 2011. This decision saved the government an estimated $14 billion in penalties, former Environment Minister Peter Kent said in 2011. “No one really had an understanding of how difficult it was to decarbonize an economy, how difficult it is to separate greenhouse gas emission from energy production,” said Mr. Green. “These targets were essentially arbitrary,” he added.
 
Oh, and the rest of the world is still in. That should still make a good impact on global warming right?

I mean, it's just us and a couple of evil countries right?
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Oh, and the rest of the world is still in. That should still make a good impact on global warming right?

I mean, it's just us and a couple of evil countries right?
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The rest of the world is addicted to our paying for everything. No wonder they're upset.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
All I hear is talk about us quitting it but nothing about why it's bad except "cuz pollution"

If nobody can tell me why this is bad policy, just that Trump sucks and global warming is bad it was probably just a large donation to be embezzled somewhere along the lines.
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Here you go. Lots of people have similar questions as you do. Various scientists are answering them.

 
SlyPokerDog said:
Here you go. Lots of people have similar questions as you do. Various scientists are answering them.

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This does completely make my point. I'm not asking how climate change works. I'm asking for tangible proof of how the US fixes it by being part of this agreement. That's all. There isn't one example in this thread or on the news.
 
The whole "pants shitting!" thing is so papag I can't even.

"Everyone is saying their hair is on fire!!"

"Everyone is saying it's the end of the world tomorrow!!"

Umm, ok.
 
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