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MarAzul said:
I think you can bet on it. Don't bet against it. But it will take more time than we all have stacked together.


I hear the sea is rising at 2 MM a year, if the Glaciers are indeed gone in the next 50 years, then I don't think Portlanders will ever see the difference.
However, Some Mountains raising hell and plugging up the Columbia River might make your picture the new reality.
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It was thousands of years ago before we could ruin the environment. I don't know if we have any choice in what happens going forward.

We should probably try and reduce the Earth's population more than anything. The world doesn't need me or most of us.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
We should probably try and reduce the Earth's population more than anything.
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This^^^
Never saw mention of this in the Tokyo thing or this Paris accord. It does make a whole lot more sense than squeezing everyone into smaller foot prints.
Perhaps there is no money to be made. Either way though, I think the seas rise until they stop and the cycle begins again.
 
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tlongII said:
Much of what you say is correct. Except for the part where you imply that Trump is trying to prevent reduced emissions and turn back progress. That has nothing to do with why he pulled out of the Accord. It does make for a good liberal talking point though.
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That's not what I was implying, actually. I don't think Trump is intending to turn back progress on climate change, because that would suggest he has a belief on the subject one way or the other, which I don't believe. My point was that Trump can't really roll back that progress through inaction or symbolic actions, whether or not he wants to.

My opinion of why he pulled out of the Accord is that it's a win in the eyes of his base that was cost-free and easy for Trump. He'll take those every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Making substantive changes are (generally) much harder and more time-consuming. This is low-hanging fruit.
 
MarAzul said:
Belief? You make it sound like a religion.
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No, religion is faith-based belief. You can also hold beliefs based on facts, logic and/or reason.

I believe that the Blazers finished with the Western Conference's eighth seed in 2016-17 NBA season, because it's recorded fact.
 
Shaboid said:
As with any fixture attached to a home that is being financed. It's their job to figure it out, if they are talking you out of something because it might make their job a bit harder you might wanna find a new agent.
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It's not my agents, it's about 200 of them that I know from an association I help run.

They all also lost their insurance and now pay much higher premiums, thanks Obama.
 
MarAzul said:
I think you can bet on it. Don't bet against it. But it will take more time than we all have stacked together.


I hear the sea is rising at 2 MM a year, if the Glaciers are indeed gone in the next 50 years, then I don't think Portlanders will ever see the difference.
However, Some Mountains raising hell and plugging up the Columbia River might make your picture the new reality.
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not sure if you consider scientific American fake news but check out their figures for 2050.....250 million earthlings displaced and forced to relocate by then...it's not just flooding in NY and Miami...the Gulf coast will be disasterous...so will many Pacific nations...also mosquito populations should pose new threats...good news for sailors is when the NW passage opens up it'll shave 4 thousand miles off the ships journey from Asia to Europe and back avoiding the Panama Canal..melting glaciers is part of the issue...tsunamis and fault lines or dramatic storms will possibly damage a lot of what we take for granted...you and I probably won't be around though. https://www.scientificamerican.com/slideshow/top-10-places-already-affected-by-climate-change/
 
Denny Crane said:
It's not my agents, it's about 200 of them that I know from an association I help run.

They all also lost their insurance and now pay much higher premiums, thanks Obama.
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Not sure where that comes into this topic, but okay. That is very unfortunate for them, Thanks Obama.
 
riverman said:
250 million earthlings displaced and forced to relocate by then...it's not just flooding in NY and Miami
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>>> Are you trying to tell me the Sea covers most of the planet? Thank you for the info.

riverman said:
also mosquito populations should pose new threats
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>>> We had those damn mesquotes in Bandon Marsh two years ago. Had a hell of time convincing the state they were raising the bastards.

riverman said:
good news for sailors is when the NW passage opens up it'll shave 4 thousand miles off the ships journey from Asia to Europe and back avoiding the Panama Canal
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>>> The NW passage was open a couple year about 5 years back but can't do in now.

riverman said:
.tsunamis
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>>>Tsunamis are caused by a displacement event. Where the sea water is displaced by something, like ocean floor rises due to volcanic activity or perhaps a meteor.
The displacement has to be of a magnetude so that a surface disruption occurs. Can't see warming doing the trick.
 
mosquitos , dengue fever out break here on the big island last year closed schools in south kona district. I know two people that contracted the virus well. on the bright side it kept tourists off the roads southside. (we only have the Hawaii belt road going all the way around the island, two lanes of very curvy road)
 
MarAzul said:
>>> Are you trying to tell me the Sea covers most of the planet? Thank you for the info.



>>> We had those damn mesquotes in Bandon Marsh two years ago. Had a hell of time convincing the state they were raising the bastards.



>>> The NW passage was open a couple year about 5 years back but can't do in now.



>>>Tsunamis are caused by a displacement event. Where the sea water is displaced by something, like ocean floor rises due to volcanic activity or perhaps a meteor.
The displacement has to be of a magnetude so that a surface disruption occurs. Can't see warming doing the trick.
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Human chaos and misuse of resources doesn't help...we don't move resources around the planet very efficiently as it is...China is turning into a desert quickly..they are buying water from Scandinavia like crazy these days.
 
lawai'a said:
we only have the Hawaii belt road going all the way around the island
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I imagine every tourist feels compelled to do it. I know I did, rent a car and drive that highway, over the top and all.
 
I will say I'm not to keen on the allergies getting worse. Wanted to off myself some days a month ago.

They also found mosquitos known to carry Zika just recently in N Las Vegas. Which means terrible things, like we'll have more liberals here soon.

(Terrible microcephaly joke) haha
 
riverman said:
Human chaos and misuse of resources doesn't help...we don't move resources around the planet very efficiently as it is...China is turning into a desert quickly..they are buying water from Scandinavia like crazy these days.
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China and India both are going to be in deep crap when the Himalayan Glaciers no longer have rivers running out of them. Who is going to ship them the Food?
Not California! They haven't built a reservoir in 40 years. I don't think they will ship them any Delta smelt either.
But perhaps they will just out bid the locals here for the food and fair ok. It might be the low bidders here that suffer famine.
 
MarAzul said:
A view of rising seas from the MarAzul
I use the follow current charts which I have modified to navigation charts so I may reference my boat's position relative to the currents and the project course relative to the currents at any given time.

These ocean current are generated partially from the earth turning daily on it's axis, the effects of which are known as the Coriolis effect. The other major power source of this world wide current flow is the introduction of the cold water into the oceans from Rivers and streams, often very cold water from glacier melt. This cold water displaces the warmer sea water adding to the flow to the ocean currents, especially the Kuro Siwo current in the North Pacific and the Gulf Stream in the North Atlantic.

How long these currents will continue to be powered is no-doubt a function of how long with the Glaciers feed the cold water into the ocieans. Since we know, Glaciers are predicted to be gone, especial those that exist between the 30 latitudes North and South, before the end of this Century, perhaps closer to 40 - 50 years. Farming in these area watered by glacier melt will really become a challenge. But without the water injection into the Sea, the sea level rise reaches it's maximum, and these major Ocean current probably cease to flow as we know them to through out human history.

Without these current, you can suspect the land warmed by the currents, Canada, Northern United States, and Northern Europe become one hell of a lot colder. Probably triggering a new Ice age in the Northern Hemisphere. At that point the sea levels begin to slowly recede for several thousand years until it drops some 190 feet from todays level as the water is transfered once again to a Glacier Ice Pack.

I do hope our grand children can learn to deal with the events. I seriously doubt they will find one among them that can devise a plan to stop the cycle. No doubt something will, but I wouldn't bet on it being man made. I expect the first thing that we will be forced to deal with beyond a little flooding in Miami and New York, is lack of water for farming in the most populated areas on earth. It should be anticipated now! But it isn't!

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Thank you. That is one of the most interesting things I have ever read here.
 
Al Gore must be wetting his pants
 
riverman said:
2013 National Geographic map of the world if the polar caps melted....lots of places wiped out...they say it would raise the oceans 216 ft
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2013/09/rising-seas-ice-melt-new-shoreline-maps/
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I see nothing that says the earth ever gets to that point. There is no historical or geological record of such an event, which seem logical to me.
Since nearly all the major rivers on earth feed the Northern hemisphere's currents and for this purpose, you can consider the Mediterranean Sea at Gibraltar, the larges River in the world.
Check the rivers relative to the Ocean currents. Even the Amazon and Congo feed the Northern currents The Ganges is the largest major of those that feed the Southern Oceans Agulhas Current.

So when the Northern river flows are reduced enough to alter the Northern current flows, I believe we toggle and the Northern Hemisphere begins a New Ice-age with the everything above say 48 degrees N going in the deep freeze and begins to ice over, while everything down to 40 degrees North is in the refrigerator. I sort of think, this will have a reset on climate condition and the activity of man. Agreements made in Paris, Tokyo, or Timbuktu are irrelevant.


Ps.
In my view, more C02 quickens these events, the faster the Glacier go, the sooner we see a major climate change. China with it's current plan to dam every River in Asia and the larges producer of C02 may make it all happen sooner than projections of Glacier melt and thereby Pacific Current alteration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rivers_by_discharge
 
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It's funny as hell to see the Democrats come up with ways to Tax this cycling of our environment. Rather sad though to see the masses dancing to their pipe.
 
MarAzul said:
It's funny as hell to see the Democrats come up with ways to Tax this cycling of our environment. Rather sad though to see the masses dancing to their pipe.
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They gotta get it while they can


Our pollution is like a million people peeing into the river when it flooded in 96 or so. It will flood faster but it is still flooding. That ice age is coming again some day right?

It would be beneficial to have clean air while we are alive though.
 
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Paris Paris! The Pipe Piper of Paris! Paris Paris...
 
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