Denver gets Aflallalalalalalo

[OddEnormous]

Yeah, but we won a number of games in which we trailed big time last year. A few bad bounces here and there, and this easily could have been a 47 win team instead of a 54 win team. And I think the fact that we got smoked in round 1 when we had home court and were playing a team missing its best player, pretty much shows that, although they finished 4th, this was probably abut the 6th or 7th best team in the west.

Yet another absolute pile of steaming shit.

There is no "we should have been" there is only what is.

Had the ball bounced our way 1 more time, we would have been the 2nd seed.

Had James fucking Posey made his free throws we wouldn't have had to play Houston.

Every team wins games they should have lost, and loses some they should have won.

You just choose to look at the Blazers in a negative light and only look at games that ONLY IN YOUR OPINION we should have lost.

Into the life boat you go! I'm just going to sit here with my drink and let the captain take care of business.

 

[Mediocre Man]

There is no "we should have been" there is only what is.

So then....

Since our PG IS below average, and our SF's ARE below average at this point, and since our back up power forward IS vacant, doesn't that mean you agree with me that they DO need to be fixed?

 

[OddEnormous]

So then....

Since our PG IS below average, and our SF's ARE below average at this point, and since our back up power forward IS vacant, doesn't that mean you agree with me that they DO need to be fixed?

None of the above has anything to do with what I was saying (Nor is any of it true)

Steve Blake is NOT below Average. Travis Outlaw is NOT below average. And Batum is a guy every team is demanding in any trade we try to make... Weird they'd all want someone so bleow average. Especially when they are so much smarter and wiser than our schlep of a GM.

Do we need a Back Up PF? Sure, I guess. Hey! Have you heard of this guy? His name is Paul Millsap...

You should google him.

 

[B-Roy]

Steve Blake is NOT below Average. Travis Outlaw is NOT below average. And Batum is a guy every team is demanding in any trade we try to make... Weird they'd all want someone so bleow average. Especially when they are so much smarter and wiser than our schlep of a GM.

Blake and Outlaw are pretty active. Batum is wanted for his upside.

 

[Mediocre Man]

None of the above has anything to do with what I was saying (Nor is any of it true)

Steve Blake is NOT below Average. Travis Outlaw is NOT below average. And Batum is a guy every team is demanding in any trade we try to make... Weird they'd all want someone so bleow average. Especially when they are so much smarter and wiser than our schlep of a GM.

Do we need a Back Up PF? Sure, I guess. Hey! Have you heard of this guy? His name is Paul Millsap...

You should google him.

While there is no true way to measure whether a player is average or not, PER seems to be a good way to do it.

PG PER ratings go 1-20, and Blake isn't in the top 20. Since there are 30 teams, that would put Blake as a below average starting PG.

Travis also didn't quite make it into the top 1/2 of SF's Much. much better than Blake though. Batum will be a good one. That's what I said. He is simply not quite ready yet.

I have heard of Millsap. He is a PF for the Utah Jazz. What does that have to do with Portland?


82games.com has Portland's PG possition PER as 25th by the way.

 

[OddEnormous]

Blake and Outlaw are pretty active. Batum is wanted for his upside.

Did you mean to say average?

Thanks for the update on Batum. I know this aging Portland team isn't in the market for players who have big upsides. Let's trade him for Jeff foster.

CHAMPIONS!!!!!

 

[OddEnormous]

I have heard of Millsap. He is a PF for the Utah Jazz. What does that have to do with Portland?

Jesus dude, you mentioned we needed a back up PF. I'm pretty sure that's what position he plays. I may need to google it again.

2 questions:

1. Whats Zach Randolphs "PER"?

2. Do you think we'll be using PER in 10 years? Me neither.


And still, NONE of this has anything to do with you and others wanting to make a move JUST to make a move because "everyone else is doing it"

 

[mikeg]

Portland had the 5th best point differential in the NBA last year at +5.3. Houston was 6th at +4.0.

I have no clue what you are talking about. Houston was not missing Yao against Portland...

I was referring to Tracy McGrady.

Does it not worry you that we couldn't beat out SA for the 3rd spot when they had major injuries all year? Does it not worry you that we couldn't beat a Rocket team that did not have their best player? And we're not even talking about what it would take to catch up to Denver or LA.

Look, man, I'm not saying we are terrible. I'm not saying the Blazers are the Kings. I understand we had a good point differential. I'm just saying that I thought our record was a little overinflated last year. And our record against other elite teams wasn't very good. Several of our rivals had bad breaks last year and may have improved this offseason. I don't think the #4 spot in the west is a lock for this or any other year. We could stand to improve our roster.

Quit acting like anyone who disagrees with you is a complete moron. It's childish.

 

[mikeg]

Do we need a Back Up PF? Sure, I guess. Hey! Have you heard of this guy? His name is Paul Millsap...

You should google him.

Nice attitude, there, buddy...

We don't exactly have Milsap at this point, do we? Let's revisit this if/when we get him.

Look, I think most NBA observers would tell you that Blake is an average PG. Does somethings well, others not so well. Same with all of our SFs. I don't think it's being negative to say that, yes, it would be a good idea to see if we can improve these two positions. So far this offseason, we have not done that.

 

[hasoos]

Portland reminds me of Miami teams from years past, before Wade. Back when Mourning and Tim hardaway were there, every year Miami would over achieve during the regular season, and I think all but one year they got knocked out in the first round of the playoffs, because they were playing at the highest level they could during the regular season, and were unable to turn it up a notch during the playoffs. Portland reminds me of that right now. They fight for respect every night, and play hard because of that. But when the playoffs came, they didn't have another level to go to. Brandon Roy did. Nobody else had another gear.

 

[Minstrel]

And we're not even talking about what it would take to catch up to Denver or LA.

Denver, a team Portland tied in record and had a superior point differential to. Sounds pretty "caught up," especially since so many of Portland's key players are pre-prime and most of Denver's key players are prime or close to it.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Jesus dude, you mentioned we needed a back up PF. I'm pretty sure that's what position he plays. I may need to google it again.

2 questions:

1. Whats Zach Randolphs "PER"?

2. Do you think we'll be using PER in 10 years? Me neither.


And still, NONE of this has anything to do with you and others wanting to make a move JUST to make a move because "everyone else is doing it"

PER measures offensive production, not defensive production. Zach is a very gifted offensive player. He is also a shitty defender. Blake is a poor defender also, and according to PER he is a below average offensive PG as well.

And YOU were the only one to bring up make a move JUST to make a move. There are possitions that need to be improved.

 

[OddEnormous]

Nice attitude, there, buddy...

Concentrate there buddy...

We don't exactly have Milsap at this point, do we? Let's revisit this if/when we get him.

He said we needed a back up PF. KP is trying to get one. And a pretty good one at that. He's trying to make a move which is the crux of the argument. Please follow the conversation more carefully.

I think most NBA observers would tell you that Blake is an average PG. Does Same with all of our SFs. I don't think it's being negative to say that, yes, it would be a good idea to see if we can improve these two positions. So far this offseason, we have not done that.

He said BELOW average

Again, please read the thread more carefully.

I'm not saying we can't improve. I'm arguing against the "Everyone else is making moves, KP is a failure" crowd.


To be fair, I don't blame you for not being able to follow the conversation as the others keep moving the line.
I'm now defending Steve Blake for some reason in a thread about KP not making moves. (Well, sort of)

 

[Minstrel]

Portland reminds me of Miami teams from years past, before Wade. Back when Mourning and Tim hardaway were there, every year Miami would over achieve during the regular season, and I think all but one year they got knocked out in the first round of the playoffs, because they were playing at the highest level they could during the regular season, and were unable to turn it up a notch during the playoffs. Portland reminds me of that right now. They fight for respect every night, and play hard because of that. But when the playoffs came, they didn't have another level to go to. Brandon Roy did. Nobody else had another gear.

Mourning and Hardaway = veterans in their primes

Oden, Aldridge, Roy, Batum, Bayless, Rudy = young players varying distance away from their primes

Despite that, Portland had the second-best point differential in the West and won 54 games. Doesn't sound anything like those Miami teams to me.

 

[OddEnormous]

And YOU were the only one to bring up make a move JUST to make a move. There are possitions that need to be improved.

No, no Hasoos. You are only thinking of the Blazers. Every other team in the league actually can do damage with their cap money except Portland.

Somehow Detroit will turn that into a player we could have used.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Concentrate there buddy...




He said we needed a back up PF. KP is trying to get one. And a pretty good one at that. He's trying to make a move which is the crux of the argument. Please follow the conversation more carefully.





He said BELOW average

Again, please read the thread more carefully.

I'm not saying we can't improve. I'm arguing against the "Everyone else is making moves, KP is a failure" crowd.


To be fair, I don't blame you for not being able to follow the conversation as the others keep moving the line.
I'm now defending Steve Blake for some reason in a thread about KP not making moves. (Well, sort of)

You are arguing Blake because you said Portland had a limited number of moves to make. I brought up, with statistical backing that PG was a possition they needed to upgrade because Blake is not a starting quality PG on a contending team.

 

[OddEnormous]

You are arguing Blake because you said Portland had a limited number of moves to make. I brought up, with statistical backing that PG was a possition they needed to upgrade because Blake is not a starting quality PG on a contending team.

Oh dear lord.

 

[mikeg]

Maybe I could follow this thread a little better if it was actually about the signing itself. I would also probably follow it better if people like you were not having over the top reactions to someone stating a slightly different take on things. Calling someone's marginally different opinion on where this team is at a "steaming pile of shit" doesn't exactly lend itself to a coherent discussion.

That being said, I'm not of the opinion that we need to sign someone just because everyone is doing it. I think we need to upgrade a few spots and am disappointed we have not found a way to do that yet.

 

[PapaG]

I was referring to Tracy McGrady.

Does it not worry you that we couldn't beat out SA for the 3rd spot when they had major injuries all year? Does it not worry you that we couldn't beat a Rocket team that did not have their best player? And we're not even talking about what it would take to catch up to Denver or LA.

Look, man, I'm not saying we are terrible. I'm not saying the Blazers are the Kings. I understand we had a good point differential. I'm just saying that I thought our record was a little overinflated last year. And our record against other elite teams wasn't very good. Several of our rivals had bad breaks last year and may have improved this offseason. I don't think the #4 spot in the west is a lock for this or any other year. We could stand to improve our roster.

Quit acting like anyone who disagrees with you is a complete moron. It's childish.

McGrady isn't Houston's best player. Yao is, easily.

 

[mikeg]

McGrady isn't Houston's best player. Yao is, easily.

Yeah, you are probably right about that... but I still think the point is valid. They were not at full strength and we had home court.

I guess maybe I'm one of the few that felt like we overachieved and caught some breaks during the regular season last year. I'm surprised at the number of folks who think we don't need any more starting talent on this roster.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I think it's disproportionately loud on that side. Some of us who think starting talent upgrades are required have said our peace, and don't have a lot to say until the season starts or new talent arrives.

 

[Minstrel]

Yeah, you are probably right about that... but I still think the point is valid. They were not at full strength and we had home court.

By that argument, Houston will never be "at full strength" again. I like McGrady a ton, but his career as an impact player seems over due to injuries. I sincerely doubt Houston ever expects to have the McGrady of a few years ago back.