Devils vs. Rangers game 7

[Messiah717]

They lost the series in games three and four. The confidence and momentum the Devils gained was obvious and game five proved that. It's not even like anyone in particular dominated them. It was just a team effort and system that overwhelmed the Rangers.

 

[NYR Fan]

Hate his signings - Goodrow too much money, Trocheck for more years and money than Strome or Copp, and he is right in the same range performance wise.

Drury will earn his money this summer. Team needs some major changes, that is clear. After this no show series, cannot run it back as is. He doesn't have much flexibility, but what will he be able to do with the NMC guys, what does he do with the RFA's, what does he do with Gallant. This offseason will tell us a lot about Drury's ability IMO.

And I'll say it again, because I think it is a huge issue, we need a real NHL 3rd line, not a 3rd line made up of top 6 scorers/finesse guys. That means moves have to be made, and the kids moved up or gone.

And so much blame to go around on all these no show guys, but jesus did Laf/Chytil/Kakko even play in this series, you barely heard them name at all. They were literally invisible.

 

[Ranger71]

Right, didn't like Trocheck over Copp. I was more referring to his in-season stuff but the summer wasn't great for him.

 

[NYR Fan]

I can’t believe they no showed in a G7.

I was also very wrong about this roster of players. Extremely disappointing doesn’t even begin to describe this playoff performance. There is no shame losing to a really good Devils team. But how they lost is inexcusable and I will also say you can’t bring Gallant back.

Roster wise Panarin is the guy you have to move on from somehow. Some guys just can’t play in playoffs and he is one.

Beyond that I’m too pissed off to care right now. Other than saying I couldn’t have been more wrong about the way this team was built.

I agree with just about all of this, especially the Panarin and Gallant comments (I don't know how you can bring Gallant back off of this).

What I disagree with is your first line. I am not one drop surprised they no showed game 7, not at all. Again not saying I predicted they would, but absolutely I thought they could. Hell, they no showed games 4 & 5 after a whatever at best game 3, and a sh*t first period in game 6, so why couldn't they no show game 7. Not surprised at all that happened, and that is sad and says a lot.

 

[NYR Fan]

They lost the series in games three and four. The confidence and momentum the Devils gained was obvious and game five proved that. It's not even like anyone in particular dominated them. It was just a team effort and system that overwhelmed the Rangers.

Agreed - needed to take 3 or 4, but to your point I am more focused on how they no showed then the fact they lost. That's the part that is damning. They no showed multiple playoff games. And yes the Devs deserve 100% credit for what they did, but when you score two goals in 4 + games, and have single digit really good chances in those games, that is two sided, not just oh what great D by the Devs. A lot of hockey is want and desire, and we had none of it. That is so damning to all of them.

Cannot wait to hear what they said post game - are any of them real about their sh*t effort.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

I agree with just about all of this, especially the Panarin and Gallant comments (I don't know how you can bring Gallant back off of this).

What I disagree with is your first line. I am not one drop surprised they no showed game 7, not at all. Again not saying I predicted they would, but absolutely I thought they could. Hell, they no showed games 4 & 5 after a whatever at best game 3, and a sh*t first period in game 6, so why couldn't they no show game 7. Not surprised at all that happened, and that is sad and says a lot.

Do the Bruins fire their coach?

 

[Ranger71]

Othmann is a really nice prospect who will take a spot, and maybe Cuylle is ready to take a 4th line spot. Not sure if Vesey works better on a 3rd line or not. Motte wasn't as effective this time around but for 1-2m maybe he gets brought back. Mikkola gone who cares, Harpur and Robertson can get them through or maybe they add a 3rd pair D at the DL. Even less wiggle room next March for additions.

 

[theProdigy223]

Just crushing. They didn’t even show up. What a waste. Henrik must have been having PTSD watching that.

 

[NYR Fan]

They may - as I thought he was terrible in that series. And the difference to me is first the Bruins were amazing in the regular season, we were not; the Bruins had multiple injuries in their series, we did not; he has been there for one year, Gallant two years; we played with zero effort or passion in 4 of the last 5 games, the Bruins did not; we scored two goals in 4 + games we lost, the Bruins scored goals, their goalie just didn't step up like Igor does for us.

So I don't think it is apples to apples quite honestly. And we know your deal Al, everyone is good, status quo, Rangers in 5, the kids suck.

There is a time for positive, there is a time for negative, there are fans who are way too negative all the time about everything, but respectfully Al you are just as bad, but the other way. Just because it is all rainbows and unicorns and you sing a happy song, doesn't make you not as off the reservation as the fans who complain and whine about everything and say everyone sucks all the time. Like anything you need balance and to be objective, and again respectfully Al, you are not my friend. And that's cool, but know that please.

 

[Ranger71]

It basically seemed like the Devils were playing with an extra skater in games 4,5 and 7 but maybe that's partially due to the Rangers just looking that terrible too.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

They may - as I thought he was terrible in that series. And the difference to me is first the Bruins were amazing in the regular season, we were not; the Bruins had multiple injuries in their series, we did not; he has been there for one year, Gallant two years; we played with zero effort or passion in 4 of the last 5 games, the Bruins did not; we scored two goals in 4 + games we lost, the Bruins scored goals, their goalie just didn't step up like Igor does for us.

So I don't think it is apples to apples quite honestly. And we know your deal Al, everyone is good, status quo, Rangers in 5, the kids suck.

There is a time for positive, there is a time for negative, there are fans who are way too negative all the time about everything, but respectfully Al you are just as bad, but the other way. Just because it is all rainbows and unicorns and you sing a happy song, doesn't make you not as off the reservation as the fans with complain and whine about everything and say everyone sucks all the time. Like anything you need balance and to be objective, and again respectfully Al, you are not my friend. And that's cool, but know that please.

Yeah ok..u don't criticize players...riggghtt
Man I'm not your friend...im crushed

Just answer this question...are we giving Lindy Ruff credit for making Jack Hughes a superstar...and Nico Hrisch..it's all development of those #1 overall picks

All I hear is how miserable Bread was...where the hell was our 40 goal scorer Zman...he got outplayed for 7 games.. yes barely anyone complained about his disappointment series... fox gave away multiple chances giving up both short handers...Miller has taken a huge step backwards...yeah let's take a penalty in game 7 when you barely check anyone...

 

[theProdigy223]

I know Boston lost but this team needed a guy like Tyler Bertuzzi at the deadline instead of a Patrick Kane. I gave Kane the benefit of the doubt but he was useless and overall probably a net negative. He lost every battle.

Bertuzzi will be a UFA. If we can’t fit him find someone like him. Without a change to the makeup of this top 6 and more board presence it will be more of the same next year. A nice cushy regular season followed by disappointment once the real season starts.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

But back to the Bruins...there was a 40+ difference between them and Florida..losing a game 7 at home ...wow choke job city

 

[danipman]

You have to admit that Dump was right and all the shit you gave him was wrong. He correctly gauged the Devils and Rangers matchup as well as Panarin's impotence. While he is wrong that the Rangers had the same opportunity to develop Kakko and LaF as the Devils had with Hischeir and Hughes because they already spent to try to SCF, it seems to just be happenstance getting #1 and #2 picks while in pursuit of SCF, limiting the Rags window of sacrificing wins to develop Kakko and LaF offensive skills

 

[NYR Fan]

Yeah ok..u don't criticize players...riggghtt
Man I'm not your friend...im crushed

Just answer this question...are we giving Lindy Ruff credit for making Jack Hughes a superstar...and Nico Hrisch..it's all development of those #1 overall picks

All I hear is how miserable Bread was...where the hell was our 40 goal scorer Zman...he got outplayed for 7 games.. yes barely anyone complained about his disappointment series... fox gave away multiple chances giving up both short handers...Miller has taken a huge step backwards...yeah let's take a penalty in game 7 when you barely check anyone...

You misread that one - I was calling you my friend. And I agree with you 100% on the kids BTW. Not saying they were handled 100% perfectly, but I have not seen the talent level from Kakko or Lafreniere that says yeah they are Hughes, or some of the other 1 or 2 pick studs.

I also agree with you on Boston, total choke job. No debate from me.

 

[NYR Fan]

You have to admit that Dump was right and all the shit you gave him was wrong. He correctly gauged the Devils and Rangers matchup as well as Panarin's impotence. While he is wrong that the Rangers had the same opportunity to develop Kakko and LaF as the Devils had with Hischeir and Hughes because they already spent to try to SCF, it seems to just be happenstance getting #1 and #2 picks while in pursuit of SCF, limiting the Rags window of sacrificing wins to develop Kakko and LaF offensive skills

Here is why his "predictions" hold no water. When you are not a Rangers fan and troll a Rangers board constantly saying everyone sucks, starting threads to fire everyone or trade everyone weeks into the season, and always saying they are done, will miss the playoffs, will lose this series, will lose that series - basically always negative and knocking, that is not a prediction, that is a troll. And when they do lose, as every team will except one, again that is not a prediction.

Was he right on the Pens, was he right on missing the playoffs, was he right on 5 games - all big no's. So that is BS.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

You misread that one - I was calling you my friend. And I agree with you 100% on the kids BTW. Not saying they were handled 100% perfectly, but I have not seen the talent level from Kakko or Lafreniere that says yeah they are Hughes, or some of the other 1 or 2 pick studs.

I also agree with you on Boston, total choke job. No debate from me.

Lol...better reread what you posted...I don't take any offense or anything personal..but your own words "and again respectfully Al, you are not my friend"

I was kinda shocked lol

 

[NYR Fan]

Read the whole sentence:

Like anything you need balance and to be objective, and again respectfully Al, you are not my friend.

I am saying you are not objective my friend, and you are not. And that's okay, but that is also the truth. You are a fan through and through, and good for you. I love your passion.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

You have to admit that Dump was right and all the shit you gave him was wrong. He correctly gauged the Devils and Rangers matchup as well as Panarin's impotence. While he is wrong that the Rangers had the same opportunity to develop Kakko and LaF as the Devils had with Hischeir and Hughes because they already spent to try to SCF, it seems to just be happenstance getting #1 and #2 picks while in pursuit of SCF, limiting the Rags window of sacrificing wins to develop Kakko and LaF offensive skills

The dude gave up numerous times throughout the year..was he right that the Pens would make the playoffs over us? He only posts after Ranger losses saying Fite this fire that. He posts about how the Packs coach should be the next coach and copies summaries about prospects how overly great they all are.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

Read the whole sentence:

Like anything you need balance and to be objective, and again respectfully Al, you are not my friend.

I am saying you are not objective my friend, and you are not. And that's okay, but that is also the truth. You are a fan through and through, and good for you. I love your passion.

Your kidding right...I'm not objective yet I've complained plenty..just not beating the dead horse that its all Breads fault...and Kanes fault.

 

[danipman]

Here is why his "predictions" hold no water. When you are not a Rangers fan and troll a Rangers board constantly saying everyone sucks, starting threads to fire everyone or trade everyone weeks into the season, and always saying they are done, will miss the playoffs, will lose this series, will lose that series - basically always negative and knocking, that is not a prediction, that is a troll. And when they do lose, as every team will except one, again that is not a prediction.

Was he right on the Pens, was he right on missing the playoffs, was he right on 5 games - all big no's. So that is BS.

Sorry but Dump was right on the Devils outskating the Rangers, which is how it went down. Maybe he is a negative Nancy, but he was right. By A mile

 

[NYR Fan]

You are a homer Al, and again good for you. And to me pick any player on the team, expect maybe Kreider and Igor, and they all get blame for this mess. I don't think anyone is immune. It is not all anyone's fault. They all pretty much sucked. All their fault.

And no surprise the point goes way over your head dan - when you predict a team to lose every game and every series, and miss this and miss that, and suck here and suck there, that is not a prediction. At some point you will be right as things go badly in sports from time to time. But even in your logic, if he was right on his 787886869876 negative prediction about this series, then he was wrong on everything else. So even still, yes your logic he got that right - although he didn't as 5 games is not 7 - but sure. And he was wrong on his 700097890 other negative predictions year after year.

 

[danipman]

You are a homer Al, and again good for you. And to me pick any player on the team, expect maybe Kreider and Igor, and they all get blame for this mess. I don't think anyone is immune. It is not all anyone's fault. They all pretty much sucked. All their fault.

And no surprise the point goes way over your head dan - when you predict a team to lose every game and every series, and miss this and miss that, and suck here and suck there, that is not a prediction. At some point you will be right as things go badly in sports from time to time. But even in your logic, if he was right on his 787886869876 negative prediction about this series, then he was wrong on everything else. So even still, yes your logic he got that right - although he didn't as 5 games is not 7 - but sure. And he was wrong on his 700097890 other negative predictions year after year.

Sorry I only came in at the Devils series. But Dump's instincts were correct. And pretty detailed

 

[Disturbed]

The Rangers gave up 17 goals in 7 gms. They didn’t lose because they couldn’t handle the Devils speed as Dump proclaimed. The Devils speed was a factor yes but they lost because they couldn’t score. Erik Haula scored more goals in 7 gms than Panarin, Fox, Zibanijad, Kane and Trochek combined. That’s why they lost. And most of it was against a backup mostly unknown goalie who most nights just had to make routine saves.

 

[danipman]

The Rangers gave up 17 goals in 7 gms. They didn’t lose because they couldn’t handle the Devils speed as Dump proclaimed. The Devils speed was a factor yes but they lost because they couldn’t score. Erik Haula scored more goals in 7 gms than Panarin, Fox, Zibanijad, Kane and Trochek combined. That’s why they lost. And most of it was against a backup mostly unknown goalie who most nights just had to make routine saves.

And the Devils speed had no effect against the Rangers' offense? Sorry but you sound like a Fan Boi. Rangers had very short periods of possession after game 2. Not to mention a bunch of calls from the refs on marginal NJ offenses and an overall preference by the zebras. L:ets not forget the "phantom roughing" on Hischier while the Devils scored. Seriously, Z, Trouba, Trouchek???? mumble mouth Trouba is the best D man???

 

[nj cup]

It’s gotta suck making one finals appearance during your window with the queen and getting slapped around with the princess in net this series. The real king #30 was always on this side of the river girls. Have fun bumbling around whatever big star you want to bring in lol

Espn board will never forget

 

[Disturbed]

It’s gotta suck making one finals appearance during your window with the queen and getting slapped around with the princess in net this series. The real king #30 was always on this side of the river girls. Have fun bumbling around whatever big star you want to bring in lol

Espn board will never forget

Missed you the last 10 years Cup

 

[Ranger71]

The Devils started to take the shooting lanes away and blocked alot of shots, and the Rangers didn't really adjust. They continued too be too slow moving and predictable.

 

[kreidertime]

Sadly, I predicted this it just took two games longer. Poorly constructed team.

 

[kreidertime]

You’re a clown NyFan. I’m just realistic and that’s what a true Ranger fan is. Not a blind homer like you are who thinks they gonna win every series and doesn’t wanna realize when they are constructed poorly. The coach basically came out after the game and said that which will probably get him fired.

Honestly, you’re just acting like a small child that is too immature to admit you were wrong. This team is a one trick pony. When they don’t score on the power-play they don’t win. A true fan doesn’t have a come out and state he is a better fan than other people. A true fan can admit when the other team is better, and the Devils were better. I said all year long the Rangers were sloppy and you saw it again in this game.