Did KP miss the boat?

[Fez Hammersticks]

The Hornets just traded an exp. contract for a 25 y/o double-double machine and a 1st round draft pick.

We had a bigger exp. contract in which most of it was covered by insurance and did nothing.

With the cap we gained from letting RLEC expire we acquired a 33 year old PG.

I love having Miller here but we could have had something much more significant if we used the contract instead of letting it expire.

 

[RR7]

Who's the 25 Y/O double double machine being traded?

 

[Wheels]

You mean at the Trade Deadline? Chandler WAS traded then.

 

[ABM]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/109747-oh-where-hast-thou-gone-tyson-chandler

 

[Ed O]

Let me restate it, since people seem to be confused:

The Hornets moved a short contract (although according to Storyteller, he has an option year so is not an expiring contract) for Okafor, who has averaged 10+ points and 10+ rebounds a game each of his five NBA seasons (although he's 26, and will be 27 in September... not 25).

If the Thunder were able to get so much for a short contract, did Portland mess up by getting nothing for a seemingly FAR superior contract in the RLEC?

Ed O.

 

[Wheels]

I for one am glad that we used our cap space for a PG and not another Center.

 

[RR7]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/109747-oh-where-hast-thou-gone-tyson-chandler

?? Did youjust post a link to the first Chandler article you could find on bleacher report?

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

Yes. KP missed the boat.

but in my usual posting methods:

No, if RLEC wasn't traded, there were zero options available at the time.

 

[RR7]

Difference is RLEC was injured, and Chandler can still play, though. And play fairly decently. It's not JUST an expiring, or short term contract.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

oh man, if we were able to get Okafor + Crash + ????? in a package for RLEC and Joel....love Joel. but damn that would have been epic.

 

[RR7]

oh man, if we were able to get Okafor + Crash + ????? in a package for RLEC and Joel....love Joel. but damn that would have been epic.

OMG!!1!!

And what if they threw in Augustin as well!! WOW!!!!! Ultimate Pritchslap!

 

[e_blazer]

Difference is RLEC was injured, and Chandler can still play, though. And play fairly decently. It's not JUST an expiring, or short term contract.

Exactly.

The only way to know if KP missed the boat with RLEC is to know what deals were actually made available to him at that time. If somebody can show us some link that indicates KP passed on Okafor for RLEC, then, yeah, he blew it. Unfortunately, we always seem to be playing games with hypothetical trades and then using those hypotheticals to claim that KP missed the boat. IMHO, that's bull.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

OMG!!1!!

And what if they threw in Augustin as well!! WOW!!!!! Ultimate Pritchslap!

ZOMG!!!!!! LOLZ!

 

[ABM]

?? Did youjust post a link to the first Chandler article you could find on bleacher report?

It's just that he hasn't always been the most well-received guy in the world. Ya know?

Culture is everything here!

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

Exactly.

The only way to know if KP missed the boat with RLEC is to know what deals were actually made available to him at that time. If somebody can show us some link that indicates KP passed on Okafor for RLEC, then, yeah, he blew it. Unfortunately, we always seem to be playing games with hypothetical trades and then using those hypotheticals to claim that KP missed the boat. IMHO, that's bull.

we had a valuable trading asset. We failed to use it.

boat. missed.

 

[hasoos]

I still to this day am not sure if KP missed the boat, or just got on the wrong boat. There have been a lot of stories about trades he tried to make happen (Shaq) which he may have held out too long for. We will probably never know unless somebody with a source straightens it out later, but I hardly see the value of that right now.

The Blazers are where they are, and they have to deal with it. That is reality.

 

[RR7]

The Blazers are where they are, and they have to deal with it.

You say that as if they are in a bad spot right now.

 

[e_blazer]

we had a valuable trading asset. We failed to use it.

boat. missed.

IF you don't know whether the boat was the Queen Mary or the Titanic, how can you say if you're upset or happy about missing it?

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

IF you don't know whether the boat was the Queen Mary or the Titanic, how can you say if you're upset or happy about missing it?

I'm upset because the mere hype of everyone talking about how valuable RELC's contract was is greatly overstated. Not. Valuable. Whatsoever.

 

[anonymous gambler]

I would have been thrilled to have Okafor, but IDK if we still could have picked up Andre Miller had we used our cap space in a RLEC trade for Okafor.

I mostly bemoan the idea that we could have had Wallace or Butler....but I really don't know for a fact if this is true.

I am happy with the Blazers lineup as it stands, though- we have strengthened our hand at the point, which was weak. Having Webster back is almost like a free agent pickup at the 3 spot- at least there is hope that he or Batum can cover the lion's share of the minutes there. I'm not as concerned at the backup 4 spot- I think one of our 2nd rounders can cover whatever time that Outlaw doesn't take.

I'm thrilled with the idea of an improved Roy, Aldridge and Oden. The heart of our team is strong and hopefully is getting stronger.

As it stands, I'd say we're the third best team in the west after LA and San Antonio with Denver nipping at our heals.

 

[Minstrel]

We could have traded Outlaw and Frye for Devin Harris. Plus we could have traded RLEC for Emeka Okafor. And probably thrown in Przybilla and gotten Gerald Wallace. And I am fairly sure, though I have no evidence for this, that Webster and Bayless could have been traded for Millsap at the deadline. Utah didn't need two power forwards, they needed some scoring prospects for the future.

PG: Devin Harris / Steve Blake
SG: Brandon Roy / Rudy Fernandez
SF: Gerald Wallace / Nicolas Batum
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Paul Millsap
C: Greg Oden / Emeka Okafor

So, sure...Pritchard looks pretty good if you compare Portland's roster to what he inherited. But he looks pretty fucking incompetent to that roster that he could have acquired.

 

[hasoos]

You say that as if they are in a bad spot right now.

The off season wasn't good to the Blazers IMO. Any off season where all your trades fall through, you are not able to land your highest 4 to 5 free agents on your list when you specifically had money set aside to do such a thing is not good. Does that leave them in a bad spot? Only for off season goals. It just sets the team back to where we are used to them being: Waiting for young talent to improve. Any time you have uncertainty instead of certainty (in a good way) it is not the optimal position to be in.

None of the moves we made this off season were going to be as important as Greg Oden improving anyhow. They were just to augment the team.

 

[Minstrel]

I'm upset because the mere hype of everyone talking about how valuable RELC's contract was is greatly overstated. Not. Valuable. Whatsoever.

Good thing the cap space wasn't imaginary, though, eh?

 

[Tince]

Trade for Okafor, you don't get Miller. I'm thinking Miller's 14M contract > Okafor's 60M contract.

 

[Tince]

We could have traded Outlaw and Frye for Devin Harris. Plus we could have traded RLEC for Emeka Okafor. And probably thrown in Przybilla and gotten Gerald Wallace. And I am fairly sure, though I have no evidence for this, that Webster and Bayless could have been traded for Millsap at the deadline. Utah didn't need two power forwards, they needed some scoring prospects for the future.

PG: Devin Harris / Steve Blake
SG: Brandon Roy / Rudy Fernandez
SF: Gerald Wallace / Nicolas Batum
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Paul Millsap
C: Greg Oden / Emeka Okafor

So, sure...Pritchard looks pretty good if you compare Portland's roster to what he inherited. But he looks pretty fucking incompetent to that roster that he could have acquired.

You aren't serious with those trades are you?

 

[LameR]

Won't matter in 4-5 years.

 

[Minstrel]

The off season wasn't good to the Blazers IMO. Any off season where all your trades fall through, you are not able to land your highest 4 to 5 free agents on your list when you specifically had money set aside to do such a thing is not good.

"Highest 4 to 5 free agents?" I think this whole blurb is all kinds of wrong, but I'm curious about your counting methods. Turkoglu, Millsap...who are the remaining 2-3 free agents that Portland had ahead of Andre Miller?

 

[hasoos]

You aren't serious with those trades are you?

I don't see any "smilies" do you?

 

[RR7]

I would say we have as much "certainty" as any other team in the league. Even the favorites in the NBA. How certain are the Lakers that Artest can replace Ariza and possibly Odom? How certainare the Spurs that Duncan and Manu can last through another season? How certain are the Celtics in their big 3 staying healthy, and being effective as they get older? How certain is Orlando that changing from their game last season, to a mroe traditional style will get them back to the Finals? How certain is Cleveland that Shaq will be enough to get them over the top, and convince LBJ to stay? And for us, how certain are we that Oden will stay healthy, giving him the ability to propel us into the elite teams? I'd say we all have question marks, with moves done, not done, and attempted this offseason. I'd much rather question ROy adn Aldridge developing further than an aging player hanging on for another year or two.

 

[Minstrel]

You aren't serious with those trades are you?

I used the most common urban legend on this forum (the Devin Harris trade that Pritchard "turned down"), threw in the imaginary trades postulated in this thread and added one of my own for fun.