Did KP really turn down this package at the deadline???

[Minstrel]

Honestly, Minstrel, you really think that me ignoring this fool is going to make him go away? And you don't think I have tried to ignore him? Hell yes I want to ignore him and make him go away. But the sad truth is that he doesn't go away and isn't going away because the people with the authority to do something about, choose not to do anything about him.

If he's a troll, he'd go away if everyone began to ignore him. That's virtually by definition. A troll is an insincere poster who's only around to draw reactions. No reactions, no troll. If he is a troll, you ensure his staying put by reacting constantly.

I am as vocal as I have been only because I don't see a resolution in either of your scenarios. If ignoring the fool doesn't make him go away, what else can you do?

What if he were sincere? I'm not saying he is or isn't, but a problem I have with your position is you completely remove the possibility that he's simply a very negative and emotional fan. Regardless of what the odds are on that being the case, what is your test for that? If he were a true poster who sincerely held such negative beliefs, how would you know it?

I don't believe in banning a poster based on an opinion. Posters I have supported banning verifiably broke rules over and over. I don't particularly care for MIXUM's posts, since I don't think he lends much to analysis or discussion (always being negative or always being positive is exactly identical to analysis by dart-throwing), but I have little problem scanning and scrolling past his posts. I have to scan them, as a moderator, to be sure there's no TOS violation. You don't even need to do that.

 

[Chuck Taylor]

I like Mixum a lot. There are a lot of holes in his point of view, in my opinion, but it's still a point of view. I don't see why reading his posts upsets many of you. If you don't agree what he says, it's totally harmless. And if you do agree with him, well it's time to face that, in my opinion. But like I said, there are a lot of holes in his posts. He says we aren't improving when in fact, we have absolutely improved this season, being only a game out of 3rd place in the entire conference in late February. Still, it's fun to read what he thinks. I think a lot of it is him joking around. I mean, the clouds in his avatar and everything? He's just having fun. And if we do beat Houston tonight and we do make the playoffs, well then he was wrong and isn't that fun?

Most of the time I feel like you do. Sometimes, like when Oden hurt his knee before the A.S. break, I couldn't even visit the site for a while because I didn't want to read the "sky is falling" posts. But usually, I don't let him get to me.

Either way, he is annoying to a large % of the people on this board. At one point do you do something about it for the good of the board, regardless of if in fact he is actually breaking the rules or not? And if he's not breaking the rules, at one point do we need to look at the rules and question them?

 

[Ed O]

Either way, he is annoying to a large % of the people on this board. At one point do you do something about it for the good of the board, regardless of if in fact he is actually breaking the rules or not? And if he's not breaking the rules, at one point do we need to look at the rules and question them?

I vote "never". I will leave before I let an online community I'm a part of become a popularity contest.

Of course, that's just me. I am not the ultimate decision-maker for this site.

Ed O.

 

[Minstrel]

I agree that it is unwise to encourage the thing that is bothering you. However, our responses or lack thereof to MIXUM do not define whether we think he is a troll or not.

It doesn't define whether he is, no. Nobody knows whether he is. Some people believe he is. That's not good enough to cause a ban, IMO. Otherwise, this could swiftly become a mob-rule situation, where any poster who holds unpopular views gets kicked out. That's not very much in the spirit of a discussion forum.

Besides, its obvious that no one cares if we think he's a troll or not.

Not when it comes to bans, I guess. I'm sorry if that offends you, but I think a ban is a pretty serious action and should be based on more than "I hate that guy, he's probably a troll."

 

[Chuck Taylor]

I vote "never". I will leave before I let an online community I'm a part of become a popularity contest.

Of course, that's just me. I am not the ultimate decision-maker for this site.

Ed O.

I guess I vote "I'm not sure". On one hand I'm not a fan of censorship or banning people, but on the other I do know that I will leave if too many MIXUMs show up.

 

[yenniedn]

I like Mixum a lot. There are a lot of holes in his point of view, in my opinion, but it's still a point of view. I don't see why reading his posts upsets many of you. If you don't agree what he says, it's totally harmless. And if you do agree with him, well it's time to face that, in my opinion. But like I said, there are a lot of holes in his posts. He says we aren't improving when in fact, we have absolutely improved this season, being only a game out of 3rd place in the entire conference in late February. Still, it's fun to read what he thinks. I think a lot of it is him joking around. I mean, the clouds in his avatar and everything? He's just having fun. And if we do beat Houston tonight and we do make the playoffs, well then he was wrong and isn't that fun?

Therein lies the problem, Eric. I assume that MOST of us are here for the same reason: we want to find a place to discuss a common interest. No one wants to be a part of a group where everyone is in total agreeance and says the same thing over and over everyday; that would get old really fast. It's the different points of views that make this, and any other forum, worthwhile. That's your normal fan - you have good days and you have bad. Sometimes you speak well of the team and sometimes they piss you off.

When you throw out your opinion, others will either agree with you, "attack" it for being wrong/inaccurate or they could care less. If someone points out a flaw in your reasoning, you address it and move on. When someone is here solely for the purpose of irritating people and never has one positive thing to say about the subject, it gets old pretty quick. You can be negative all you want if it's genuine. That would also mean that you give the team, the organization and its fans some credit when credit is due. Mixum does none of that. He degrades the team every chance he gets and even degrades them when they don't deserve it. And when people point of the flaws in his logic, he chooses not to address it because it is NOT his intention to have an intelligent discussion. He only wants to instigate and once he's done so for that thread, he'll go and start another senseless thread and do it all over again.

I wouldn't ride his ass if he 1) mixed in a "normal" (i.e. not 110% negative) thread once in a blue moon and 2) at least attempt to address his always negative crap when people call him out on it.

I agree that it is unwise to encourage the thing that is bothering you. However, our responses or lack thereof to MIXUM do not define whether we think he is a troll or not. Besides, its obvious that no one cares if we think he's a troll or not.

Exactly. repped.

 

[Chuck Taylor]

It doesn't define whether he is, no. Nobody knows whether he is. Some people believe he is. That's not good enough to cause a ban, IMO. Otherwise, this could swiftly become a mob-rule situation, where any poster who holds unpopular views gets kicked out. That's not very much in the spirit of a discussion forum.



Not when it comes to bans, I guess. I'm sorry if that offends you, but I think a ban is a pretty serious action and should be based on more than "I hate that guy, he's probably a troll."

I didn't say it doesn't define whether he is a troll. I said it doesn't define if we think he is a troll.

 

[Minstrel]

I didn't say it doesn't define whether he is a troll. I said it doesn't define if we think he is a troll.

For people who constantly respond, I think it does. No one who's familiar with the Internet consistently encourages people that they believe are trolls (unless the troll amuses them and they want that person to stick around).

 

[BalancedMan]

There's no way he turned it down. Vince Carter can help in the short term and his last year he can be bought out for only $4 million so a team looking for relief could have gotten it for acquiring Carter from us. It'd be like RLEC again in a few years. Not to mention the NJ picks. So I doubt it was there, or they thought Carter would really be a toxic presence.

 

[yenniedn]

If he's a troll, he'd go away if everyone began to ignore him. That's virtually by definition. A troll is an insincere poster who's only around to draw reactions. No reactions, no troll. If he is a troll, you ensure his staying put by reacting constantly.



What if he were sincere? I'm not saying he is or isn't, but a problem I have with your position is you completely remove the possibility that he's simply a very negative and emotional fan. Regardless of what the odds are on that being the case, what is your test for that? If he were a true poster who sincerely held such negative beliefs, how would you know it?

I don't believe in banning a poster based on an opinion. Posters I have supported banning verifiably broke rules over and over. I don't particularly care for MIXUM's posts, since I don't think he lends much to analysis or discussion (always being negative or always being positive is exactly identical to analysis by dart-throwing), but I have little problem scanning and scrolling past his posts. I have to scan them, as a moderator, to be sure there's no TOS violation. You don't even need to do that.

What are the chances of getting EVERYONE that is annoyed by him to ignore him? And hence, what are the chances then of him going away? At some point, the mods have to take action. He's been banned before from other forums - I wasn't around but if I'd have to guess, it was for "Mixum being Mixum". I don't have mod authorities so I can't jettison the fool - yet ignoring doesn't work either so I'm only left with what I have: my say.

As I said elsewhere, I have ZERO problems with a sincere poster whether positive or negative. We ALL are entitled to our down days and we all can rip on the team from time to time. It's call being a fan, I guess. A newcomer to the forum might read a handful of Mixum's threads and say: "Shit, this guy's having a really bad week; hopefully his outlook changes over time." But week after week, month after month (and despite any progress made by the team or anything positive achieved by the team), there is nothing but more negativity, it becomes pretty evident what his intent is and that he is NOT sincere. NO ONE can honestly be genuinely negative about EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME. When the team does something well, acknowledge it. He simply can't and won't. That's why I know he's not sincere.

IF you can honestly assess the situation and look at his history and tell me that you HONESTLY feel that he's being entirely sincere, I'll be flabbergasted and have nothing else to say and forever drop the subject.

 

[Chuck Taylor]

For people who constantly respond, I think it does. No one who's familiar with the Internet consistently encourages people that they believe are trolls (unless the troll amuses them and they want that person to stick around).

Yeah I can see that for someone who consistently responds.

 

[Minstrel]

IF you can honestly assess the situation and look at his history and tell me that you HONESTLY feel that he's being entirely sincere, I'll be flabbergasted and have nothing else to say and forever drop the subject.

I don't know. Sometimes I think he's trolling, sometimes his frustration seems real. I fully understand why someone would think he was a troll but, if he is one, he's been remarkably persistent and durable and without ever seeming to take a bit of glee or satisfaction in attention. In other words, if he's a troll (and he might be), he's a pretty unique one, IMO.

I'm not insisting that he isn't a troll. I'm saying that without fairly clear evidence, I don't think it's reasonable to ban someone. Also, my own experience is that I have no real trouble "ignoring" him (not literally using the feature, but letting his opinion roll past me without interest), so I suppose I can't resonate to the claims that it is impossible to ignore him and enjoy the forum.

 

[Denny Crane]

Ha! This is the first time I've ever replied to my own post.

Anyways...the more I think about this, the more curious I am. Is there a Mod that can answer my question from the quote above? I'm not trying to start controversy, I'm genuinely interested in the answer.

Ed's given you a pretty good answer. I'll go a little deeper in mine.

We once banned a poster because he was unpopular, and basically got/gets the same kind of reaction as MIXUM from many. We were told that it would increase posting and other activity on the boards. It didn't have any effect at all, and all we really ended up doing was banning a guy who actually acted like a gentleman in the face of a lot of flak and who really was/has been posting here with good intentions.

If you think a guy is a troll, the ignore feature isn't all you can do about it. Really ignore the guy. If he's out to get a rise out of people, then people who RESPOND to him/her are only fanning the flames (so to speak). I would think that a guy would only get worse if he's feeding off this kind of thing.

If we're convinced a poster is a troll, we have no problem dealing with that appropriately. Unpopular opinions or even negativity are hard for us to want to squash. For me, particularly being a Chicago sports fan - I expect my teams to lose (they almost always do), and when they win it's a real shock/pleasant surprise.

As long as nobody's causing problems throughout the site, I'm going to facilitate the mods as to what they need done. You elected them. Talk to them via PM or a public thread about how to make the board better for you all.

My $.02

 

[Masbee]

Most of the time I feel like you do. Sometimes, like when Oden hurt his knee before the A.S. break, I couldn't even visit the site for a while because I didn't want to read the "sky is falling" posts. But usually, I don't let him get to me.

Either way, he is annoying to a large % of the people on this board. At one point do you do something about it for the good of the board, regardless of if in fact he is actually breaking the rules or not? And if he's not breaking the rules, at one point do we need to look at the rules and question them?

Man, I got to tell you, I just don't get it.

Mixum is comedy.

If you don't see it or appreciate it, I understand.

That you get worked up over it - something you could just read past - which is what I do most of the time.

Read past him or block him. What is so hard about doing that?

 

[Chuck Taylor]

Man, I got to tell you, I just don't get it.

Mixum is comedy.

If you don't see it or appreciate it, I understand.

That you get worked up over it - something you could just read past - which is what I do most of the time.

Read past him or block him. What is so hard about doing that?

It's not that hard. I do it the vast majority of the time.

 

[Chuck Taylor]

I just want to say I'm not trying to campaign to get MIXUM banned. I was just thinking about how many posters complain about him or say they try to ignore them and likened the situation to a bar: if a regular at a bar is obnoxious and annoying to most of the other customers, whether he's breaking the rules or not, wouldn't the owner want to get rid of him? Wouldn't the owners of this website want to do the same with MIXUM? That was my question to the mods, who have answered it the best they can. But as Ed O pointed out, they aren't the ones who get paid. The ones who do are the ones who can answer my question. So I'm content to have my question go unanswered and to continue enjoying the parts of the board I like the best.

 

[Denny Crane]

Ed's given you a pretty good answer. I'll go a little deeper in mine.

We once banned a poster because he was unpopular, and basically got/gets the same kind of reaction as MIXUM from many. We were told that it would increase posting and other activity on the boards. It didn't have any effect at all, and all we really ended up doing was banning a guy who actually acted like a gentleman in the face of a lot of flak and who really was/has been posting here with good intentions.

If you think a guy is a troll, the ignore feature isn't all you can do about it. Really ignore the guy. If he's out to get a rise out of people, then people who RESPOND to him/her are only fanning the flames (so to speak). I would think that a guy would only get worse if he's feeding off this kind of thing.

If we're convinced a poster is a troll, we have no problem dealing with that appropriately. Unpopular opinions or even negativity are hard for us to want to squash. For me, particularly being a Chicago sports fan - I expect my teams to lose (they almost always do), and when they win it's a real shock/pleasant surprise.

As long as nobody's causing problems throughout the site, I'm going to facilitate the mods as to what they need done. You elected them. Talk to them via PM or a public thread about how to make the board better for you all.

My $.02

I just want to say I'm not trying to campaign to get MIXUM banned. I was just thinking about how many posters complain about him or say they try to ignore them and likened the situation to a bar: if a regular at a bar is obnoxious and annoying to most of the other customers, whether he's breaking the rules or not, wouldn't the owner want to get rid of him? Wouldn't the owners of this website want to do the same with MIXUM? That was my question to the mods, who have answered it the best they can. But as Ed O pointed out, they aren't the ones who get paid. The ones who do are the ones who can answer my question. So I'm content to have my question go unanswered and to continue enjoying the parts of the board I like the best.

You were answered by one of the (several) owners.

Most of the owners are posters here, we want a great site to post at for ourselves, too.

 

[WWBRoyD]

But we HAVE improved. We already have 35 wins with 27 games left to play. Last year we only won 41 games all season.

Learn the game, then post.

I'm certain everyone remembers at least a couple of Patriots fans they knew that were still complaining in the middle of their perfect run.

Some people can't be pleased.

 

[MrJayremmie]

He was asked how many beers he would have had to drink to trade for Carter. His answer: "many".

Yeah, spot on. That is what it was. So I REALLY do not think he ever intended to get carter. Thank God too.

And about MIXUM, we just have to make the commitment as a community to skip over his posts. If he doesn't get the attention he craves he will eventually realize there is no reason to continue posting to talk to himself. I'd like to see a thread started by MIXUM with no replies at all. I think that would frustrate him more than constantly being owned and complained about (I think he likes the latter, the former... IDK why he doesn't back up his claims... but that is what got me thinking that he IS probably a troll that simply looks for a response). I think that he is a Blazer fan, but I don't think he neccessarily posts with sincere intentions.

I also think that we should constantly make bets with him (I know this goes against the not responding to him) about him not showing up for a week, or a month, or for the summer if we win a game, make the playoffs, etc...

Anyway...

 

[Masbee]

It's not that hard. I do it the vast majority of the time.

Oh, I see.

So, I guess I don't understand your problem.

Read past him.

Don't respond to his posts.

Read other posters posts.

Respond to other posters posts.

Enjoy the site.

 

[Chuck Taylor]

Oh, I see.

So, I guess I don't understand your problem.

Read past him.

Don't respond to his posts.

Read other posters posts.

Respond to other posters posts.

Enjoy the site.

I don't really have a problem. I do skip this site sometimes when I don't feel like reading a bunch of negative posts. I was just curious how the mods/owners of the site view the mixum situation. Thanks for the advice though.

 

[LameR]

are you surprised? thats ok... all the pritchard supporters will see the next 4 games why he threw this team under teh bus this season.

but hey... wait till next year.

I don't think 2-2 is all that bad.

 

[ehizzy3]

1 thing about mixum, is he can sure can take personal attacks. if you join the board today you probably think mixum is the second coming of hitler the way you guys complain. if you dont like his opinions on basketball its fine, but just because he has a different view is no reason for him to get banned.

 

[MickZagger]

1 thing about mixum, is he can sure can take personal attacks. if you join the board today you probably think mixum is the second coming of hitler the way you guys complain. if you dont like his opinions on basketball its fine, but just because he has a different view is no reason for him to get banned.

He takes attacks because he's a gimmick poster who is here just so he can antagonize a group of fans that are dedicated enough to spend a chunk of their time rooting on the Blazers. He could careless about personal attacks as long as he can get his little quips in about the team. Its kind of funny when we beat a good teams soundly and he's nowhere to be seen. But we lose to an average team and he claims KP and staff are running this team into the ground.

Its so apparent that he's not a fan and that people take him seriously around here that its comical.

 

[free_lafrentz]

He takes attacks because he's a gimmick poster who is here just so he can antagonize a group of fans that are dedicated enough to spend a chunk of their time rooting on the Blazers. He could careless about personal attacks as long as he can get his little quips in about the team. Its kind of funny when we beat a good teams soundly and he's nowhere to be seen. But we lose to an average team and he claims KP and staff are running this team into the ground.

Its so apparent that he's not a fan and that people take him seriously around here that its comical.

I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[LameR]

are you surprised? thats ok... all the pritchard supporters will see the next 4 games why he threw this team under teh bus this season.

but hey... wait till next year.

Cough.