Did Pat Connaughton make his case for being one of the untouchables?

[Mediocre Man]

He is playing against other 3rd stringers...

Not against SA

 

[Mediocre Man]

Is there a way we can rid ourselves of Turner Salary this off season? There was a rule in the Association where we could swallow one bad contract. is this still in place?

It's the amnesty clause, I believe you're referring to. Golden Boy, Brandon Roy forced us to use that on him. But hey, at least according to his agent, he could finally be at peace.

 

[julius]

It's the amnesty clause, I believe you're referring to. Golden Boy, Brandon Roy forced us to use that on him. But hey, at least according to his agent, he could finally be at peace.

I believe that the CBA they negotiated recently, starting next year, does not include the amnesty clause. I wish it did, but I wouldn't use it on a player like Crabbe or Turner, they're actually tradeable.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

I wouldnt trade Pat for Kawhi Leonard. He's amazing. Gonna be an All Star.
This thread is hilarious.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

Pat has been playing good D in all the minutes he got this year. Last couple of games gave him enough time to get comfortable offensively. He can play, but it probably won't be here.

Layman? He's already better than Chandler Parsons.

 

[blue9]

But isn't that exactly what Crabbe is, a specialist? One of the highest (possibly THE) highest paid specialists in the league?

Yeah, Turner is also overpaid, but he creates for himself and others, rebounds and plays pretty damn good perimeter defense.

Crabbe is better at his one thing, but Turner is more versatile. It seems like Crabbe could be replaced with one player, where it might take more than one player to replace Turner, and you can only play 5 players at a time.

In the end, one of them NEEDS to be moved and I'm fine with moving one, or the other, or both, what ever gets us the most in return and hopefully saves us a significant amount of money.

BNM

Crabbe fits the team, Turner doesn't - it's as simple as that, IMO. I just don't see Turner as a good Western Conference player. Hopefully he proves me wrong against GSW!

Turner is a moderately better Aminu. Turner might be more versatile than Crabbe, but versatility only matters if you're above average across several aspects of the game - Turner is only above average on defense. I get what you're saying about needing two players to replace Turner vs one to replace Crabbe - but I still think we'd be a better team by doing so. I don't like Turner running point - he's only slightly better at it than CJ was. Shabazz might not set up guys quite as well but he scores a lot better - and I think the point differential between Bazz's scoring and Turner's assists would favor Bazz.

Anyway, we've both made up our minds as to who the least needed player is, and we both agree that ideally both would be traded.

 

[BlazerWookee]

34 minutes, 15points, 6-10FG 3-4 3pt, 4rbs, 2assts, 1 steal and only 1 foul. Pretty impressive for a guy that never plays. Oh and only 1turnover.

Untouchable? Not even close.

Worth keeping at a reasonable price? Absolutely.

 

[Natebishop3]

Hyperbole aside, I'm wondering if Patty made a case for an increased role next season.

 

[Jon]

I believe that the CBA they negotiated recently, starting next year, does not include the amnesty clause. I wish it did, but I wouldn't use it on a player like Crabbe or Turner, they're actually tradeable.

i would use it on Leonard in a heartbeat.

 

[tester551]

Jesus Christ.

Why do you think it's such a stretch for Pat to replace Crabbe?

Pat is shooting 0.52 on 3s (granted on a relative small sample size - 33 attempts).

For a more equitable comparison, in college Pat shot 0.386 (over 4 years) while Allen shot 0.382 (over his 3 years) from 3.

When you look at advanced numbers, Pat is comparable or better across the board.

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

I have been of the belief for some time now...that Pat C can be the replacement for Crabbe in our rotation. Given the same minutes he will produce adequately. He might even work better WITH Turner than AC does.

I hope the Neil will use the offseason to trim salary by making an unequal trade involving Crabbe and other assets. We cannot afford to have so much devoted to TWO reserves. Maybe one, but not two!

 

[chzbrgr]

Why do you think it's such a stretch for Pat to replace Crabbe?

Pat is shooting 0.52 on 3s (granted on a relative small sample size - 33 attempts).

For a more equitable comparison, in college Pat shot 0.386 (over 4 years) while Allen shot 0.382 (over his 3 years) from 3.

When you look at advanced numbers, Pat is comparable or better across the board.
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what does that say tho? Is patty a decent backup or is crabbe an 18m dollar towel waver? .....

I'm gunna say the latter and not the former

 

[Blazers Roy]

I have been of the belief for some time now...that Pat C can be the replacement for Crabbe in our rotation. Given the same minutes he will produce adequately. He might even work better WITH Turner than AC does.

I hope the Neil will use the offseason to trim salary by making an unequal trade involving Crabbe and other assets. We cannot afford to have so much devoted to TWO reserves. Maybe one, but not two!

Turner needs to gtfo too, we don't need him.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Oh shit, did we just "develop" Pat to be a 60 million dollars player like Crabbe??

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Why do you think it's such a stretch for Pat to replace Crabbe?

Pat is shooting 0.52 on 3s (granted on a relative small sample size - 33 attempts).

For a more equitable comparison, in college Pat shot 0.386 (over 4 years) while Allen shot 0.382 (over his 3 years) from 3.

When you look at advanced numbers, Pat is comparable or better across the board.
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Pat is a bit more active than Crabbe, but Crabbe has that "doesn't turn the ball over 20% of the time" thing going for him.

 

[blue9]

Why do you think it's such a stretch for Pat to replace Crabbe?

Pat is shooting 0.52 on 3s (granted on a relative small sample size - 33 attempts).

For a more equitable comparison, in college Pat shot 0.386 (over 4 years) while Allen shot 0.382 (over his 3 years) from 3.

When you look at advanced numbers, Pat is comparable or better across the board.
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Let's add Turner to the comparison. I'm all for trading Crabbe, but we should get decent value in return for him, and be patient if necessary. I'm fine with Turner being a salary dump, but Crabbe should get us something good.

 

[THE HCP]

God you people sometimes. Do you apply this type of logic to your day to day...... like if you JUST squeeze thru a yellow light once, you say fuckit and try it the rest of the day? Or the one time you awkwardly made the mistake of thinking a female looked at you up at the coffee shop and just assume all chics want you from that moment on.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I wish we could do player comparisons post-ASG. I'm almost willing to give everyone a pass until next trade deadline because we had such a decimating year at the C position until February.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Crabbe fits the team, Turner doesn't - it's as simple as that, IMO. I just don't see Turner as a good Western Conference player. Hopefully he proves me wrong against GSW!

Turner is a moderately better Aminu. Turner might be more versatile than Crabbe, but versatility only matters if you're above average across several aspects of the game - Turner is only above average on defense. I get what you're saying about needing two players to replace Turner vs one to replace Crabbe - but I still think we'd be a better team by doing so. I don't like Turner running point - he's only slightly better at it than CJ was. Shabazz might not set up guys quite as well but he scores a lot better - and I think the point differential between Bazz's scoring and Turner's assists would favor Bazz.

Anyway, we've both made up our minds as to who the least needed player is, and we both agree that ideally both would be traded.

We haven't seen Turner in the playoffs yet. I think that will be huge in deciding who to move and who to keep this summer. Defense still wins championships. Playing GSW in the first round isn't really a fair test of individual defense, but if Turner and Aminu can do a good job limiting (nobody's stopping them) Durant and Thompson, it will give Neil something to consider this summer.

I still feel that Crabbe is easier to replace, either through internal growth (Patty Baseball!), or with one of our three draft picks.

BNM

 

[THE HCP]

I wish we could do player comparisons post-ASG. I'm almost willing to give everyone a pass until next trade deadline because we had such a decimating year at the C position until February.

But that won't fly here. Makes too much sense!

 

[Scalma]

Why do you think it's such a stretch for Pat to replace Crabbe?

Pat is shooting 0.52 on 3s (granted on a relative small sample size - 33 attempts).

For a more equitable comparison, in college Pat shot 0.386 (over 4 years) while Allen shot 0.382 (over his 3 years) from 3.

When you look at advanced numbers, Pat is comparable or better across the board.
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Because pat has the agility of a grandmother. The only time connaughton is shooting a three is when he is left wide open. He shows no potential off flare screens, etc...something that Crabbe has been awesome at since college.

As for his "solid" defense, once again I don't see it. He's so slow, he can't keep anyone in front of him. He's just lucky that no ones really isolated him yet. If he had a bigger role, you'd see him exposed.

I just don't see how he can improve on his weaknesses. Either you have agility or you don't. That being said, he's probably going to stick around another year. I'll give him this; I love his rebounding.

 

[tester551]

Let's add Turner to the comparison. I'm all for trading Crabbe, but we should get decent value in return for him, and be patient if necessary. I'm fine with Turner being a salary dump, but Crabbe should get us something good.

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I guess I don't see either having as much value as you do.
I'm figuring that we'd have to PAY significantly to dump Turner. I'd say Crabbe can be traded for a SMALL asset.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I wish we could do player comparisons post-ASG. I'm almost willing to give everyone a pass until next trade deadline because we had such a decimating year at the C position until February.

Easy-peasy. Just go to basketball-reference.com, select the player, click on splits, select 2016-17 and scroll down to All-Star.

Here's Dame's:



The improved shooting percentages, ORtg, DRtg and +/- are all very impressive.

BNM

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Easy-peasy. Just go to basketball-reference.com, select the player, click on splits, select 2016-17 and scroll down to All-Star.

Here's Dame's:

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The improved shooting percentages, ORtg, DRtg and +/- are all very impressive.

BNM

I know about single player splits, but doing a player-to-player comparison is manual and I am teh lazy. I'll do that at lunch though.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I know about single player splits, but doing a player-to-player comparison is manual and I am teh lazy. I'll do that at lunch though.

Please post it when you do.

BNM

 

[Pinwheel1]

We haven't seen Turner in the playoffs yet. I think that will be huge in deciding who to move and who to keep this summer. Defense still wins championships. Playing GSW in the first round isn't really a fair test of individual defense, but if Turner and Aminu can do a good job limiting (nobody's stopping them) Durant and Thompson, it will give Neil something to consider this summer.

I still feel that Crabbe is easier to replace, either through internal growth (Patty Baseball!), or with one of our three draft picks.

BNM

It will be interesting to see how ET is used. At times both GS and the Clippers doubled Dame and CJ hard last year and we relied on Plumlee as a relief valve. We might need all 3 on the floor at once for big chunks of time. ET should be getting huge minutes at both SG and SF. Which might mean a few minutes for Napier to help at the point.

 

[BBert]

I have been of the belief for some time now...that Pat C can be the replacement for Crabbe in our rotation. Given the same minutes he will produce adequately. He might even work better WITH Turner than AC does.

I hope the Neil will use the offseason to trim salary by making an unequal trade involving Crabbe and other assets. We cannot afford to have so much devoted to TWO reserves. Maybe one, but not two!

Pat looks to be a better rebounder, and is clearly a better ball handler and passer. As much as folks complain about Crabbe's defense, he probably has the edge there, at least when he decides to crank it up. It remains to be seen if Pat is as automatic as Crabbe shooting the ball, but it sure looks like it. For a guy who never plays, it seems like Pat always looks comfortable on the floor, and he seems to have basketball smarts.

 

[Natebishop3]

God you people sometimes. Do you apply this type of logic to your day to day...... like if you JUST squeeze thru a yellow light once, you say fuckit and try it the rest of the day? Or the one time you awkwardly made the mistake of thinking a female looked at you up at the coffee shop and just assume all chics want you from that moment on.

Who are you even talking to?

 

[roroyo]

Is Crabbe doing anything else than catch and shoot? It's always nice to have guy coming from the bench and score, but isn't Kyle Korver like 3 times cheaper?

 

[Natebishop3]

Obviously OP's post is silly, but the more realistic question is whether Pat has shown enough in 2 years to warrant an extension?

Do we really want to find ourselves in another Crabbe situation in a year?

He has one more year on his contract, a team option, and then he's a free agent. I wonder if the team has seen enough from him to warrant a cheap extension for a few more years. I would hate to move Crabbe, give Patty more minutes, and then find ourselves in a similar situation that we were in last summer.