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Denny Crane said:
That we shouldn't be starting wars in more countries. Trump inherited a hot war in Syria - thanks Obama/Clinton.
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Syria was happening before Obama and Clinton did anything you're full of shit...
 
dviss1 said:
Syria was happening before Obama and Clinton did anything you're full of shit...
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No it wasn't.

There was no violence in the streets before the Arab Spring, which took place on Obama/Clinton's watch.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
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Rap, your posts would have some credibility if you tried to get a little truth into them.

There is a lot of confusion over how much damage was done. This is normal since we are not exactly welcome at the airbase to inspect it. And the reports from Russia are suspect.

However, this is what is known from the satellite pictures. This info was easy to find if you looked for the truth rather than bitching non-stop.

13 hangers hit
10 ammo bunkers hit
Several workshops hit
5 defense and control center buildings hit
Several, but not all of the large fuel tanks hit

I am not on either side of the fence in this stupid political bashing. I’m just trying to find the truth. You should try it sometime.
 
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Denny Crane said:
No it wasn't.

There was no violence in the streets before the Arab Spring, which took place on Obama/Clinton's watch.
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Oh my goodness the Arab Spring thanks Obama... Do you realize how idiotic that sounds? You just said Obama was the reason for the Arab Spring... You don't remember when Obama gave that speech in Cairo where he basically told them to tear these dictators down?

Oh my goodness I got a hangnail thanks Obama...
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
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And people are too stupid to recognize this. And they say just because Trump wasted the money on those tomahawk missiles then he and Putin aren't in cahoots... Americans are fucking stupid...

Yes I said it.
 
dviss1 said:
Oh my goodness the Arab Spring thanks Obama... Do you realize how idiotic that sounds? You just said Obama was the reason for the Arab Spring... You don't remember when Obama gave that speech in Cairo where he basically told them to tear these dictators down?

Oh my goodness I got a hangnail thanks Obama...
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No, you said the Syrian conflict existed before Obama/Clinton. I proved that to be utterly false.
 
Denny Crane said:
No, you said the Syrian conflict existed before Obama/Clinton. I proved that to be utterly false.
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You know damn well that I was saying that Obama and Clinton didn't cause it like you did... Get off that bullshit..
 
dviss1 said:
You know damn well that I was saying that Obama and Clinton didn't cause it like you did... Get off that bullshit..
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Obama/Clinton did cause it. Taking out Khadaffi led people to believe we'd intervene everywhere else. Allying with a terrorist organization in Egypt after their revolt also.

Drawing the red line in the sand and not doing anything after chemical weapons were used allowed the Russians to punk Obama - Putin stepped in and played peacemaker, supposedly removing Syria's WMDs. Now we're stuck with Russia having a military base and presence in the Middle East.

You betcha. Thanks Obama.
 
Denny Crane said:
Obama/Clinton did cause it. Taking out Khadaffi led people to believe we'd intervene everywhere else. Allying with a terrorist organization in Egypt after their revolt also.

Drawing the red line in the sand and not doing anything after chemical weapons were used allowed the Russians to punk Obama - Putin stepped in and played peacemaker, supposedly removing Syria's WMDs. Now we're stuck with Russia having a military base and presence in the Middle East.

You betcha. Thanks Obama.
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Foolish... We choose when to intervene. We should not intervene in any of these people's bullshit but we do. Don't try to act like you knew what the Arab people were thinking when it came to Gaddafi. You don't. The Assad regime has been killing those people for decades. It has nothing to do with Obama and you need to stop conflating the two.
 
You just said that Putin stepped in to play Peacemaker...

You lose Denny...
 
dviss1 said:
Foolish... We choose when to intervene. We should not intervene in any of these people's bullshit but we do. Don't try to act like you knew what the Arab people were thinking when it came to Gaddafi. You don't. The Assad regime has been killing those people for decades. It has nothing to do with Obama and you need to stop conflating the two.
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Clinton was talking about arming insurgents, and we did. Obama declared regime change our objective there.

Instead of fighting only ISIS there, we're fighting ISIS and Assad (and Russia).

Open your eyes.
 
dviss1 said:
You just said that Putin stepped in to play Peacemaker...

You lose Denny...
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He did. It's funny when the facts are on my side and you declare I somehow lost.


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/obama-clinton-syria-red-line-228585

Obama was wary of entanglement in Syria. Hours before Clinton’s arrival, Russian President Vladimir Putin gave him an escape hatch. Putin offered to force his ally, Assad, to surrender his chemical arsenal if Obama promised not to bomb.
 
Denny Crane said:
He did. It's funny when the facts are on my side and you declare I somehow lost.


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/obama-clinton-syria-red-line-228585

Obama was wary of entanglement in Syria. Hours before Clinton’s arrival, Russian President Vladimir Putin gave him an escape hatch. Putin offered to force his ally, Assad, to surrender his chemical arsenal if Obama promised not to bomb.
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This is after Decades of of the Assad regime. The Civil War was not caused by us. again you're not making sense...
 
@dviss1, can you at least try to produce supporting evidence to support your "arguments?"
 
dviss1 said:
This is after Decades of of the Assad regime. The Civil War was not caused by us. again you're not making sense...
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There was no civil war for decades. It's no coincidence that there became one due to Obama/Clinton foreign policy. As I said, we're now fighting Assad, ISIS, and via proxy, Iran and Russia (who prop up Assad).

I originally wrote that I opposed expanding military action in the region beyond Afghanistan (which was the only hot war Obama inherited). I questioned even what victory in Afghanistan could possibly be, too.

In comparison, Trump inherited hot wars in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, plus he's got to deal with the aftermath of the foolish intervention in Libya.

I argue for non intervention and keeping our miliitary from bombing civilians.

You argue that the emperor did wear clothes, no matter what the facts show. And you argue for intervention, apparently.
 
USA Today for the win.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...department-during-middle-east-chaos/87582276/

Syria

Before Clinton: Syria was a brutal dictatorship led by Assad, the president belonging to a minority Shiite sect and a close ally of Iran.

Clinton’s role: The Arab Spring uprising in Syria led to civil war in 2011 after Assad’s military opened fire on unarmed democracy demonstrators. Clinton saw the uprising as an opportunity to disconnect Syria from the destabilizing influence of Iran. The U.S. ambassador to Syria encouraged democracy protesters. Clinton and other top advisers urged Obama to increase U.S. support to moderate, secular Syrian rebel groups and to impose a no-fly zone in Syria to prevent Assad’s air force from targeting civilians. But Obama rejected the advice. The precursor to the Islamic State first formed as a militant army that took control of areas in Syria vacated by retreating Assad troops.

After Clinton: The Islamic State grew exponentially after Obama failed to follow through on his 2012 "red line" warning to Assad not to use chemical weapons. Assad used them against rebels in 2013, but the United States did not retaliate, a signal to the rebels that the U.S. would not come to their aid. After Clinton left office, Obama agreed to help train Syrian rebel groups to fight the Islamic State but not Assad.

The civil war continues, with 250,000 to more than 400,000 people dead so far, according to varying estimates, most at the hands of Assad and his allies. About half of Syria’s pre-war population of 22 million fled to neighboring countries, and hundreds of thousands entered Europe, creating a migrant crisis along with fears that a wave of Islamic State-inspired terrorism in Europe could worsen.

Iraq

Before Clinton: Four years after President George W. Bush ordered the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the presence of 145,000 U.S. troops finally reduced violence from an anti-U.S. insurgency. Obama pledged during his 2008 presidential campaign to bring the troops home, and he did in 2011.

Clinton’s role: Clinton sought unsuccessfully to mediate between the Baghdad government and opposition groups to head off sectarian divisions. The State Department also failed to reach an agreement with Iraq's government on a law that would provide legal protection for a small contingent of U.S. forces that would remain to help keep the peace. Violence flared again, as Iraq’s elected government, dominated by the country's Shiite majority, pursued policies that alienated the country’s Sunni Arab and Kurdish minorities.

After Clinton: As a result, Sunni tribes that had helped the U.S. military defeat al-Qaeda welcomed the Islamic State fighters when the fellow Sunnis swept into Iraq from neighboring Syria in 2014. Obama then agree to send military trainers and advisers back to Iraq. More than 4,000 are there now.
 
No Denny....

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Denny Crane said:
No it wasn't.

There was no violence in the streets before the Arab Spring, which took place on Obama/Clinton's watch.
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There was no violence in the streets before the American Revolution which took place on Washington's watch.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
American Revolution which took place on Washington's watch.
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Uh?

The presidents of the Continental Congress during the American Revolution were;
Henry Middleton
Peyton Randolph
John Hancock.

Washington became the first President of the US after the passage of the US Constitution about 13 years after the start of the American Revolution.
 
dviss1 said:
No Denny....

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You realize in 2007, Obama opposed the surge. The surge worked and the precursor to ISIS was all but eradicated. Obama crowed about that fact in justifying turning over Iraq to our enemies.

W is responsible for the rise and fall of Al Qaeda in Iraq, not ISIS.
 
After further review, Susan Rice seems to have been a blow job specialist.
 
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