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Does anyone fear, as I am starting, that we made a mistake not acquiring Vince Carter?

The guy is two years older than Turkoglu, but he's a MUCH better player. He also makes a lot more money, but the number of years (two full seasons, then a third only guaranteed to $4m) aren't too bad.

Taking on Vince would have eaten up our cap space (and then some) but I worry that we're going to end up only adding one more veteran, anyway... and that no one we add will be nearly as good as Carter is.

Hopefully we can add two vets with the money we would have spent on VC, but thinking it over I am not sure that someone like Tukoglu would be as good an addition as Vince.

Ed O.
 
Would have been nice if we traded with relc n what not but in kp I trust
 
I'm not sure I feel like we missed the boat, but let's say we're talking about the difference between adding a duo of Andre Miller and Turkoglu (as an example of something KP might be trying to do) or just Vinsanity by himself, I'd probably rather have the former than the latter , just because I think you'd have a fully set roster 1-5 with 3 or 4 very solid backup options (Nic, Rudy, Pryz, with Bayless as the maybe).
 
Boat is still tied up to the dock just warmin' up!
 
We have Batum, Webster, and Travis. Chances are, our guy lies in one of those three. We should use our cap upgrading at PG instead. Blake and Bayless doesn't look quite as good.
 
Vince would have been cool here I think. But Turk and Miller sounds really good. Although, I am kind of falling off the Turk bandwagon. All this 5 year 50 million talk is making me cringe.
 
I wanted VC back at the trading deadline, but I actually don't think we missed the boat at all. Our SF spot that VC would play may be a little weak, but that is not our biggest problem. We will get the biggest bang for our buck by investing in a better PG. Batum/Web/TLaw/ whoever we get via smaller trade or signing will be enough to hold down that position, but Blake is just not a starting quality PG. I like Blake a lot as a BU and as a person, but not as a starting PG in the NBA. At least 25 teams have certain upgrades at PG to what we have at the moment. Clear up the PG weakness, and our entire offense runs better including our lesser quality SF players. Also, Batum has a ton of potential at SF and I think we really just need a one year filler for Batum to fully come into his own.

VC would have added a lot of firepower, but he is better at SG anyway, and we already have Roy there. VC is not a good SF defender, and with Roy and VC on our wings we would have a hard time on the perimeter. Although I wanted VC in the past, the more I think about it I think he was a bad fit for the team and would have used up resources that are better placed elsewhere.
 
I love that song. It so perfectly skewers all that's worth skewering about the genre. :biglaugh:
 
Despite the protestations of many, I was always of the opinion that obtaining something of some value with RLEC would be better than getting nothing at all.

Yes, it's possible that the addition of Carter would have impacted our team's chemistry adversely, or that his sizable contract would be a greater detriment than his talent would be a benefit, or that other important players would have had to be included in order to acquire Carter, or that his skill set just wouldn't have fit in with our current roster, and all of those possibilities could have made standing pat the better option. And I'm probably better off accepting that those possibilities or perhaps some other reason I've not considered caused KP to correctly not pull the trigger on some potential deal for Carter, Jefferson, or ??

However, until/unless we see something fantastic made of the upcoming capspace, I will have a nagging doubt in the back of my head about what might have been.
 
Ed O said:
Does anyone fear, as I am starting, that we made a mistake not acquiring Vince Carter?

The guy is two years older than Turkoglu, but he's a MUCH better player. He also makes a lot more money, but the number of years (two full seasons, then a third only guaranteed to $4m) aren't too bad.

Taking on Vince would have eaten up our cap space (and then some) but I worry that we're going to end up only adding one more veteran, anyway... and that no one we add will be nearly as good as Carter is.

Hopefully we can add two vets with the money we would have spent on VC, but thinking it over I am not sure that someone like Tukoglu would be as good an addition as Vince.

Ed O.
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That was an unbelievable deal we were offered: RLEC for VC + 2 1st round picks. Furthermore, VC's last year is only partially guaranteed (something like $4MM), so in a couple of years we could have had another "super expiring" contract. The Blazers' brain trust must not only have not liked Carter very much, but must have thought he was the second coming of Bonzi Wells to turn down that deal.
 
...as long as it wasn't this boat :smiley-oscar:
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maxiep said:
The Blazers' brain trust must not only have not liked Carter very much, but must have thought he was the second coming of Bonzi Wells to turn down that deal.
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Holy fuck that was hard to read.

*MS Office spell checker says 'consider revising'*
 
All I gotta say is, there is a reason why they call him Wince Carter.

I'm just sayin...
 
Speaking of missing boats, I'll bet there was some poor guy who was running through the streets of Southhampton England late for his "boat" and was forced to watch in disgust and horror from the end of the pier as the Titanic set sail without him. Missing the boat isn't always a bad thing :dunno:
 
If we use the money to nab a first rate PG, I am at peace with passing on VC. If all we wind up with is a modest upgrade at SF....I would rather have had VC and the picks.
 
I think Blazer management fucked up badly last year when they didn't move Raef's contract.


I think KP needs to make a huge upgrade at PG and SF to make up for it because he said at the time that there would be better opportunities in the offseason due to the economy.

Well KP, it's the offseson and we are waiting. So far SA, Orlando, and Cleveland have all gotten much better on paper.
 
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maxiep said:
That was an unbelievable deal we were offered: RLEC for VC + 2 1st round picks. Furthermore, VC's last year is only partially guaranteed (something like $4MM), so in a couple of years we could have had another "super expiring" contract. The Blazers' brain trust must not only have not liked Carter very much, but must have thought he was the second coming of Bonzi Wells to turn down that deal.
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We don't know that deal was offered. Thorn never even said that deal was offered.
 
maxiep said:
That was an unbelievable deal we were offered: RLEC for VC + 2 1st round picks.
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I heard that rumor as well, btu it seems awfully hard to believe. From paying 2 first rounders WITH VC to, half a year later trading him for a good young player like Courtney Lee and expirings? I'm much more inclined to believe they were asking for Rudy in the deal.
 
Absolutely not. VC isn't what we need and you will see with the Magic this year he isn't going to be as good a Hedo for the them. They won't win as many games or get back to the finals with VC. Plus he has a terrible contract that only the top 2-3 players in the league should get.
 
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Ed O said:
Does anyone fear, as I am starting, that we made a mistake not acquiring Vince Carter?

The guy is two years older than Turkoglu, but he's a MUCH better player. He also makes a lot more money, but the number of years (two full seasons, then a third only guaranteed to $4m) aren't too bad.

Taking on Vince would have eaten up our cap space (and then some) but I worry that we're going to end up only adding one more veteran, anyway... and that no one we add will be nearly as good as Carter is.

Hopefully we can add two vets with the money we would have spent on VC, but thinking it over I am not sure that someone like Tukoglu would be as good an addition as Vince.

Ed O.
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+1 Ed O
I was saying this last year when it was trade deadline time. We need somebody to take a load off of Roy on the perimeter. If it keeps up at this rate Roy will be Dwayne Waded and end up on IR with a buttload of injuries from trying to carry the team too much. I can tell you right now that Houston series would have been much different if Ron Artest and Shane Battier had to worry about Vince Carter out there as well. Plus, you know that Vince would have shown up for the playoffs. He always does. He loves to play in the spotlight. We would have had 20 points every night, instead of Travis Outlaw's near doughnut.
 
PapaG said:
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Ah yes, the infamous link? retort.


I could post a link where Jason Quick says we traded for DJ Augustine. I could post a link where KP calls Raef Lafrentz's expiring contract one of the best trade chips in history. I could post a link where George Bush Sr. said no new taxes.

The fact of the matter is some people might know some people, who might know some things. I do believe, however, somewhere there is an actual written report on this deal saying that.
 
Carter would've definitely got us out of the first round. The whole point of the NBA is to advance in the playoffs and try to contend, so by that definition we already missed the boat.

Carter is a better player than Hedo, and his contract will be shorter going forward. If we wind up with Hedo, then the mistake is compounded.

If, however, we use that cap space to somehow land a serious upgrade at PG and SF, then how you view our failure to acquire him will have to be completely re-analyzed.

That's often the case with trades, isn't it? The first year it can be a disaster, the second year brilliant, and over 5 years look like a disaster again. Just look at the careers of guys like Shareef Abdur Rahim, Caron Butler, Damon Stoudamire, Jermaine O'Neal, Tracy McGrady, Steve Francis, Scottie Pippen.....they've all been in deals that seemed lopsided one way, then lopsided the exact opposite direction within a few years.
 
Also I forgot to talk about timing. Vince Carter would have had just enough of his career left so that Batum could play behind him and develope. Right now, Batum doesn't have to work that hard to be starting SF, he is SF by default. A guy like Vince would push him, with about 2 to 3 years probably left in his career, it would be perfect. Batum would be ready just about the time Vince left.
 
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