Did we really win the Nurkic trade?

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Looks, we all know that Nurk has tons of talent. But he also have a lot of negatives, the obvious one is availability.

But the elephant in the room is one of fit, between Nurk and Chauncy. Even if Nurk was available all the time, playing switching defense is misusing him on defense and frankly, putting extra wear on his over-sized frame. I have been on record that I thought around $15m is a proper salary for someone with Nurk's talent given the modern NBA, but that was with the assumption that he will be utilized to maximize his defensive talent.

Between Nurk being slightly over-paid, Chauncy sticking to a system that does not maximize him and unfortunately, his continued availability issues - I just don't see how the Blazers go forward with him. I suspect Chauncy is not going anywhere - so I tend to believe the rumors that Portland was willing to discuss Nurk trade packages before the trade deadline. I would not be surprised if these intensify after the season.

Once Terry went with drop coverage, Nurk's WS/48 skyrocketed. Even coming back from his injury in 2019-2021 - his WS/48 was much higher than it is under Chauncy.
 
We should just waive Nurk and pay Drew this summer.

Maybe then Dame wouldn't have to kill himself on the glass anymore on the second night of back to backs cuz we'd have a center who could rebound.

Oh wait.
 
illmatic99 said:
We should just waive Nurk and pay Drew this summer.

Maybe then Dame wouldn't have to kill himself on the glass anymore on the second night of back to backs cuz we'd have a center who could rebound.

Oh wait.
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That is a stupid take and you know it.

The Blazers should retain Drew if they can do it for cheap, he is excellent ROI.

Nurk needs to either be traded for someone that fits Chauncy's system or the system needs to change to take advantage of his talents, and hope that he stays healthy for a change.

The issue is not that Drew is not a great player. The issue is that his production has been pretty much the same as Nurk this year for a multitude of reasons. That's not Drew's fault. At least he works hard all the time. Can you imagine how good Nurk would be if he had Drew's motor?
 
riverman said:
I'm hoping we trade Nurk, Ant and whoever else not named Dame for Embiid because he's fed up with Doc and wants to play with Dame.
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I’d definitely try and keep Sharpe and give unlimited picks instead, but Embiid is a superstar when healthy. He’s one of the very few players I’d strongly consider trading Sharpe for if indeed that’s what the deal hinges on.
 
Idog1976 said:
I’d definitely try and keep Sharpe and give unlimited picks instead, but Embiid is a superstar when healthy. He’s one of the very few players I’d strongly consider trading Sharpe for if indeed that’s what the deal hinges on.
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I agree with this sentiment. I too would like to acquire Embiid for pennies on the dollar.
 
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Nurk fever was just about the most fun I have had with the Blazers in the past 5 years (well, save for Dame's bye-bye shot) so he gets a pass from me. And anyway, I never quite get all the Nurk hate around here. Not easy to find a 7 footer who gets a double double pretty consistently.

 
Stevenson said:
Nurk fever was just about the most fun I have had with the Blazers in the past 5 years (well, save for Dame's bye-bye shot) so he gets a pass from me. And anyway, I never quite get all the Nurk hate around here. Not easy to find a 7 footer who gets a double double pretty consistently.

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I am tired of talking about Nurk, but I am happy to make this thread about Balkan inspired music.

 
andalusian said:
That is a stupid take and you know it.

The Blazers should retain Drew if they can do it for cheap, he is excellent ROI.

Nurk needs to either be traded for someone that fits Chauncy's system or the system needs to change to take advantage of his talents, and hope that he stays healthy for a change.

The issue is not that Drew is not a great player. The issue is that his production has been pretty much the same as Nurk this year for a multitude of reasons. That's not Drew's fault. At least he works hard all the time. Can you imagine how good Nurk would be if he had Drew's motor?
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There are multiple people in this forum and on other Blazers social media that very vocally believe Eubanks is a better player than Nurkic even without consideration of contracts.
 
illmatic99 said:
There are multiple people in this forum and on other Blazers social media that very vocally believe Eubanks is a better player than Nurkic even without consideration of contracts.
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And those people are dumb.
 
riverman said:
Nurk is low mileage so far....he's been parked for half his Blazer career....we didn't lose the Nurk trade in my view...Plumlee didn't light up Charlotte by any stretch although I like the guy. I'm not big on backtracking comparisons when random injuries happen to players regardless of talent. Nurk can play better than he was before he got hurt this season. When he's on he's a double double machine and he's an anchor in the paint. Unless you get Embiid or Jokic, you're going to find him hard to replace given the alternatives. Nurk's contract is not bad given what the market will dictate with the new TV money. We'll see how he looks with the new guys but he looked good with Winslow next to him early on.
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You know who's lower mileage than Nurk?

Oden. Time to go out and sign him.
 
AngryFan said:
I agree with this sentiment. I too would like to acquire Embiid for pennies on the dollar.
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I would love Embid too. And I am pretty sure Sharpe's value is nowhere Blazers fanbase think it is.

 
Eubanks should be the backup of the backup, and Nurkic shouldn't be the starting Center of a team that wants to compete. It's that easy
 
Part of me wants to wait until we see how Nurk plays Jokic in the 1/8 matchup.

Another part of me doesn’t think we will get the 8th seed if Nurk plays many more games like last night down the stretch.
 
robe said:
I would love Embid too. And I am pretty sure Sharpe's value is nowhere Blazers fanbase think it is.

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I feel like people forget Kobe’s first season or the rookie seasons of many, many Superstars who had world class talent but had to put it all together.

I don’t know exact numbers (paging Wizenheimer), but I would bet that about 1/3 - 1/2 of all Superstars had rather rough rookie outings but showed super strong flashes, just like Sharpe.
Again, for a Superstar like Embiid I trade Sharpe if the seal hinges on his inclusion, but I’d also do my damndest NOT to trade him in said trade for a Superstar, because if he puts it together you now have three superstars and a legit shot at a title.
 
Idog1976 said:
I feel like people forget Kobe’s first season or the rookie seasons of many, many Superstars who had world class talent but had to put it all together.

I don’t know exact numbers (paging Wizenheimer), but I would bet that about 1/3 - 1/2 of all Superstars had rather rough rookie outings but showed super strong flashes, just like Sharpe.
Again, for a Superstar like Embiid I trade Sharpe if the seal hinges on his inclusion, but I’d also do my damndest NOT to trade him in said trade for a Superstar, because if he puts it together you now have three superstars and a legit shot at a title.
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I think, if you're talking superstars, they show their stuff as rookies. Obvious talent is obvious

I think there are probably quite a few all-star level players that struggled to some degree as rookies. Siakam averaged 4 points as a rookie and 7 in his 2nd season; and he was a 22 year old rookie who played 2 seasons in the NCAA
 
Idog1976 said:
I feel like people forget Kobe’s first season or the rookie seasons of many, many Superstars who had world class talent but had to put it all together.

I don’t know exact numbers (paging Wizenheimer), but I would bet that about 1/3 - 1/2 of all Superstars had rather rough rookie outings but showed super strong flashes, just like Sharpe.
Again, for a Superstar like Embiid I trade Sharpe if the seal hinges on his inclusion, but I’d also do my damndest NOT to trade him in said trade for a Superstar, because if he puts it together you now have three superstars and a legit shot at a title.
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You are correct. Look up Kobe, Dirk, McGrady, and Giannis’ rookie numbers.
 
wizenheimer said:
I think, if you're talking superstars, they show their stuff as rookies. Obvious talent is obvious

I think there are probably quite a few all-star level players that struggled to some degree as rookies. Siakam averaged 4 points as a rookie and 7 in his 2nd season; and he was a 22 year old rookie who played 2 seasons in the NCAA
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Kobe, Dirk, Giannis, and McGrady all averaged less than 10 ppg and became superstars.
 
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