Did you know??????

[Rick2583]

That the highest batting average in the 500 HR club belongs to Ted Williams (344) and the lowest is Harmon Killebrew (256)

And the longest span between the 500 milestone being reached was 15 years. Mel Ott was the 3rd member hitting #500 in 1945. Ted Williams became the 4th member in 1960

Of the 27 players in the 3000 hit club only 4 players never had a 200 hit season..........

Carl Yazstremski
Eddie Murray
Dave Winfield
Ricky Henderson

And the highest batting average in the 3000 hit club belongs to Ty Cobb (366) The lowest is Cal Ripkin (276)

 

[totus44]

The time span being during the WWII era makes perfect sense. How many of the potential 500 club died at Normandy, Anzio, Pearl Harbor, Tarawa, Iwo Jima or in the skies over Germany, etc? Adds another dimension to memorial day....never know what we truly lost.

 

[Rick2583]

The time span being during the WWII era makes perfect sense. How many of the potential 500 club died at Normandy, Anzio, Pearl Harbor, Tarawa, Iwo Jima or in the skies over Germany, etc? Adds another dimension to memorial day....never know what we truly lost.

Well put.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

That the highest batting average in the 500 HR club belongs to Ted Williams (344) and the lowest is Harmon Killebrew (256)

And the longest span between the 500 milestone being reached was 15 years. Mel Ott was the 3rd member hitting #500 in 1945. Ted Williams became the 4th member in 1960

Of the 27 players in the 3000 hit club only 4 players never had a 200 hit season..........

Carl Yazstremski
Eddie Murray
Dave Winfield
Ricky Henderson

And the highest batting average in the 3000 hit club belongs to Ty Cobb (366) The lowest is Cal Ripkin (276)

I see the Stat Doctor is in.....again good work.....!!

 

[totus44]

Well put.

Recall my grandfather's stories....places and dates were usually described in the context of....as we were entering Rome we lost so and so just outside the city....he was a good kid, great ballplayer. Lots of examples like that. His outfit of 900 men, he was one of 29 to not be wounded or killed. Those were typical numbers for combat outfits....lots of ball players in there. We know about the Jerry Coleman's and Ted Williams that survived....not much else about all the prospects. I should write George Will and suggest a book on Baseball and the Impact of War.

 

[blgridesagain]

Good stuff.

How about this-

good stuff.

Try this:
In 1948- Stan Musial lead the league in 10 batting categories and missed by 2 HRs of leading across the board.

Runs
Hits
2b
3b
RBI
BA
OBP
SLG%
OPS
TB

Johnny Mize and Ralph Kiner tied for league lead with 40 HRs (1948).
Interesting to note, Musial hit 39 HRs in '48, the most he ever hit.


Stan The Man!

 

[Rick2583]

Good stuff.

How about this-

good stuff.

Try this:
In 1948- Stan Musial lead the league in 10 batting categories and missed by 2 HRs of leading across the board.

Runs
Hits
2b
3b
RBI
BA
OBP
SLG%
OPS
TB

Johnny Mize and Ralph Kiner lead the league with 40 HRs (1948).
Interesting to note, Musial hit 39 HRs in '48, the most he ever hit.


Stan The Man!

Musial was definitely one of the greatest EVER! Aside from his 7 batting titles he also won 3 MVPs & finished 2nd 4 other times. And if it weren't the practice of MLB to award the MVP to a member of the WS teams back then he would have won 2 others. In 1949 he lost out to Jackie Robinson's WS team Dodgers dispite having an inferior season to Musial's. And 1950 was the biggest joke of them all as Musial lost out to a pitcher who went only 16-7 but whose team (Philadelphia) made it into the world series.

 

[totus44]

Musial? The guy that did ads for Chesterfield cigarettes? That nicotine drug, the original PED.

 

[Rick2583]

Musial? The guy that did ads for Chesterfield cigarettes? That nicotine drug, the original PED.

Back then players had to find other work during the off season to provide for there families. I've got no problem with that.

 

[yankeesince59]

Musial? The guy that did ads for Chesterfield cigarettes? That nicotine drug, the original PED.

...WTF?

 

[Rick2583]

...WTF?

You've got to figure that somewhere along the line he took a shot to the head.

 

[totus44]

Sorry gentlemen, WADA is currently discussing adding nicotine to the PED substance list, this is the list MLB is using too. Therefore if you smoked or chewed....you were a cheater, intent or not.

 

[yankeesince59]

...ahh, the retro time machine.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Good stuff.

How about this-

good stuff.

Try this:
In 1948- Stan Musial lead the league in 10 batting categories and missed by 2 HRs of leading across the board.

Runs
Hits
2b
3b
RBI
BA
OBP
SLG%
OPS
TB

Johnny Mize and Ralph Kiner tied for league lead with 40 HRs (1948).
Interesting to note, Musial hit 39 HRs in '48, the most he ever hit.


Stan The Man!

Musial was definitely one of the greatest EVER! Aside from his 7 batting titles he also won 3 MVPs & finished 2nd 4 other times. And if it weren't the practice of MLB to award the MVP to a member of the WS teams back then he would have won 2 others. In 1949 he lost out to Jackie Robinson's WS team Dodgers dispite having an inferior season to Musial's. And 1950 was the biggest joke of them all as Musial lost out to a pitcher who went only 16-7 but whose team (Philadelphia) made it into the world series.

I know I've said it before, IMO, Musial is the one great who too often gets overlooked. Kinda' like The Iron Horse did in the Bambino's shadow....yet we all know better...

As much-Stan The Man, was the sweetest autograph one could obtain, a true Gentle Man...! Who couldn't love the guy, a Iconic Legend in His own time...!

 

[Rick2583]

I know I've said it before, IMO, Musial is the one great who too often gets overlooked. Kinda' like The Iron Horse did in the Bambino's shadow....yet we all know better...

As much-Stan The Man, was the sweetest autograph one could obtain, a true Gentle Man...! Who couldn't love the guy, a Iconic Legend in His own time...!

You're right Rob, whenever anyone talks about the great hitters of the game you'll never hear the name Musial in the top 5. And IMO he was the NL version of Ted Williams.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

You're right Rob, whenever anyone talks about the great hitters of the game you'll never hear the name Musial in the top 5. And IMO he was the NL version of Ted Williams.

Amen, Musial no doubt was the NL version of Ted Williams....a great amongst greats....!

 

[blgridesagain]

Back then players had to find other work during the off season to provide for there families. I've got no problem with that.

________________________

Richie Hebner was a grave digger in the off season - '85 was his last year.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

________________________

Richie Hebner was a grave digger in the off season - '85 was his last year.

Did Hebner play the bagpipes also, or did one of his team mates take the job of playing those bagpipes? Amazing- Grace...

 

[totus44]

...ahh, the retro time machine.

Nah, not my intent. Only pointing out the slippery slope where we now find ourselves. Look I think its silly for healthy young men to want/need to take anything that could potentially harm them. I have zero problem with any of it if its legitimately administered under a physicians care. This is pro sports not the Olympics and one size does not fit all. I'm also a scientist and this genie can't go back in the bottle.

The same zealots that are after HGH and roids want to put nicotine in the same basket. What's next...caffeine? Its ridiculous.

 

[yankeesince59]

Quote Originally Posted by totus44 View Post
Nah, not my intent. Only pointing out the slippery slope where we now find ourselves. Look I think its silly for healthy young men to want/need to take anything that could potentially harm them. I have zero problem with any of it if its legitimately administered under a physicians care. This is pro sports not the Olympics and one size does not fit all. I'm also a scientist and this genie can't go back in the bottle.The same zealots that are after HGH and roids want to put nicotine in the same basket. What's next...caffeine? Its ridiculous.

...but that's just it, NONE of the players suspended were prescribed anything under "a doctor's care"...and let's face it, Bosch was anything but a Doctor. The players essentially circumvented their teams' rules and Doctors, and decided to turn to the "black market"...they were caught, and they were suspended.

...as far as caffeine, well that's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?...(I assume it was a bit of sarcasm) ...and you did imply that Musial was "a cheat" for smoking cigarettes...another stretch.


...and yes, this is "pro sports" but regardless of being a scientist or not, what you have to remember is that the US government ruled a long time ago that Baseball was a separate entity governed by its own rules and for the most part should not be ruled by conventional law. And they're not trying to "put the genie back in the bottle"...they're simply trying to control the genie.
... Baseball and the MLBPA have drawn a line in the sand concerning PEDs...you may not like the list and you may not like the testing, but for now it beats not having a system at all...they had to do something, and they did.

 

[totus44]

Fair enough. I would prefer a triaged list for non-amatuers and unlinking WADA/USADA from the MLB.

Ball players are not the sharpest people, historically they have been taken in con's. Not gonna rehash Bosch again. I get your point, don't take candy from strangers. Lol! I prefer a more measured response for a first time violation. Olympic sport has had issues where people test positive and they were on monitored programs. Approved supplements turn up tainted, accident or not. And in pro sport a lot of money in on the line.

If you had access to the Red Sox clubhouse food service, you could take out 25 guys for 50 games. Or slip ARod a mickey in ST....would anyone believe him?
There is just way too many opportunities for graft in the current system. And we've seen too many examples of less than ethical doctors in sports.

I'm not convinced that having something vs nothing is the better solution. Time will tell.

 

[yankeesince59]

...you're right, most ball players don't seem real bright...and there will always be a few that will roll the dice anyway no matter what the penalty. But like I said, they had to do something because players' hat sizes and HR totals were going up exponentially.

...your scenario of taking out 25 is not realistic IMO, because whoever theoretically tried to frame them by "slipping them mickeys" would also have to have knowledge of when the drugs tests would be administered...and they don't test a whole team at the same time anyway, it's strictly random and only the player, the MLBPA, and MLB knows when those random test are to be made.

...and like I mentioned earlier, the most recent suspension were not the result of failed drug tests anyway. And because of last year's PEDs saga and publicity I would think that players should now fear being outed by leaks from Bosch-like quacks more than being caught via a mandated drug test.


...of course the MLBPA would have to ratify just about any changes in the current testing program, but from what I've read, they are actually just as eager to throttle PED use...hopefully, the future will produce a better system.

 

[totus44]

...you're right, most ball players don't seem real bright...and there will always be a few that will roll the dice anyway no matter what the penalty. But like I said, they had to do something because players' hat sizes and HR totals were going up exponentially.

...your scenario of taking out 25 is not realistic IMO, because whoever theoretically tried to frame them by "slipping them mickeys" would also have to have knowledge of when the drugs tests would be administered...and they don't test a whole team at the same time anyway, it's strictly random and only the player, the MLBPA, and MLB knows when those random test are to be made.

...and like I mentioned earlier, the most recent suspension were not the result of failed drug tests anyway. And because of last year's PEDs saga and publicity I would think that players should now fear being outed by leaks from Bosch-like quacks more than being caught via a mandated drug test.


...of course the MLBPA would have to ratify just about any changes in the current testing program, but from what I've read, they are actually just as eager to throttle PED use...hopefully, the future will produce a better system.

My scenario was extreme for sure. If I had that kind of access to the sux, rat poison comes to mind, lol! Better system requires better testing and oversight. Unfortunately with the money involved, there's plenty to fund custom compounds that can't be detected. Breakin Bad - Baseball edition.