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Fez Hammersticks said:
OJ Mayo: 41" max vert
Deron Williams: 35" max vert

Therefore OJ Mayo > Deron Williams.

Yeah, it's all making sense now.
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From college backup to Blazer starter in 1 year. Sounds about right.
 
Who thinks Waiters will be better than Mayo in the pros?
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Who thinks Waiters will be better than Mayo in the pros?
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*tentatively raises hand*

I think ... Waiters could be a productive sixth man type player at his peak ... if he lands on the right team and develops properly he could very well be the kind of bench scorer that every team wishes they had. Is that better than OJ Mayo? Yeah, probably a little bit.
 
Lillard’s stock has risen steadily all season. This isn’t surprising, as he has made some nice improvements in his game as a 4th-year junior. My suspicion is the dearth of PG prospects available in 2012 has teams grasping for any player who looks close to being capable and they’re overrating Lillard because of it.

I have trouble seeing Lillard as a pure PG. His top college assist rate in his 4 seasons was 4.7 A40 in his 3rd year, which was less than 300 minutes due to injury. It’s pretty rare for a player to become a top NBA PG without posting an A40 over 6.0 at least once in his college career. We’d have to go back to the 80s when Mark Price and Terry Porter overcame similarly low assist rates to become NBA stars. The best we’ve seen from high scoring/low assist college PGs recently have been gunners like Eddie House or Steve Kerr.
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As far as the numbers, he’s a mixed bag. He looks like he can handle the offense, but I doubt he’s a pure PG. The number that worries me most is the 1.7 S40. The others on the list were well over 2.0. Most guards who make a successful jump from small colleges have a dominant steal rate. It’s a statistic, along with others, that shows NBA ability. That Lillard comes up short here is a big cause for concern.

I have my doubts that Damian Lillard can become more than a 3rd or 4th guard in the NBA. At best I see him as an instant offense player off a bench who can fill it up and run the offense semi-effectively for short stretches. At worst he’s just a gunner who doesn’t have the passing or defensive chops to get consistent court time. I wouldn’t use a lottery pick on him and I certainly wouldn’t draft him if a player with the upside of Waiters or Wroten were still on the board.
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I'm really worried about a guy who shuts his workout down so quickly yet keeps rising in drafts. If this kid was for real he could challenge the top 6 and maybe get into the top 5. The fact his agent made him shut it down makes you think something fishy is up. You can keep ragging on Lillard all you want but he showed up at the combine and has done a lot of workouts, one on one workouts are a lot more impressive then no workouts at all.
I'm fine with Waiters at 11 but at 6 it is way to much of a reach for a prospect that didn't work out for us.
 
Rhal said:
I'm really worried about a guy who shuts his workout down so quickly yet keeps rising in drafts. If this kid was for real he could challenge the top 6 and maybe get into the top 5. The fact his agent made him shut it down makes you think something fishy is up. You can keep ragging on Lillard all you want but he showed up at the combine and has done a lot of workouts, one on one workouts are a lot more impressive then no workouts at all.
I'm fine with Waiters at 11 but at 6 it is way to much of a reach for a prospect that didn't work out for us.
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Rhal said:
I'm really worried about a guy who shuts his workout down so quickly yet keeps rising in drafts. If this kid was for real he could challenge the top 6 and maybe get into the top 5. The fact his agent made him shut it down makes you think something fishy is up. You can keep ragging on Lillard all you want but he showed up at the combine and has done a lot of workouts, one on one workouts are a lot more impressive then no workouts at all.
I'm fine with Waiters at 11 but at 6 it is way to much of a reach for a prospect that didn't work out for us.
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His top college assist rate in his 4 seasons was 4.7 A40 in his 3rd year, which was less than 300 minutes due to injury. It’s pretty rare for a player to become a top NBA PG without posting an A40 over 6.0 at least once in his college career. We’d have to go back to the 80s when Mark Price and Terry Porter overcame similarly low assist rates to become NBA stars.
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And he couldn't do this at a college barely a step up above HS basketball comp.

Truly is astonishing.
 
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