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blue32 said:
You sir, are ridiculous. Your outlook on life is what is completely ruining this country. Fear for your life because other people have different opinions from you and want to uphold the laws of the land regarding immigration and use free speech to express it? That is some fucking ironic bullshit.
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LOL DVISS YOU RUINING THE COUNTRY BRO PLZ STOP!!!

WHY ARE YOU DOING IT DVISS, WHY ARE YOU RUINING THE COUNTRY?
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Now will the kids that made threats at his house, burned the american flag, and stated they wanted to kill all whites do the same?
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Ya right? Those kids saying 'Kill all whites' are protected by people saying you can't be racist if you're not white and/or we'd hurt their feelings if we disciplined them for that racist talk. It's a lose lose.

Fonzthecpt1 said:
LOL DVISS YOU RUINING THE COUNTRY BRO PLZ STOP!!!

WHY ARE YOU DOING IT DVISS, WHY ARE YOU RUINING THE COUNTRY?
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There's a group you can go talk to for this!
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Many racists have adopted and rallied behind those phrases because to them they mean "keep Mexicans out" and "stop catering to minorities." How is wanting to stop being racist considered "pussification" in your eyes? Please don't tell me you're one the of ignorant assholes that says racism and sexism don't exist anymore. And that video is completely idiotic.
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That's like saying parents shouldn't be allowed to play with their kids at the park, because pedophiles stalk kids at the park.
 
It's pretty obvious that in a school that is ~50% or more hispanic that "build a wall" is hurtful and insulting to a lot of the kids. It's no shock that the other kids who know the hispanic kids protest alongside them.

Make America Great Again (tm) is generally not insulting to anyone except those who love big government.
 
julius said:
OOOH...I've never heard it being about that. The only thing I've heard it being about is the R word.

Everything I googled show'd it being about the R word, nothing to do with religion. Was that part of this story?
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I may have misunderstood, word with a capital W has always meant the Bible to me, it never occurred to me that it would mean anything else...
 
Denny Crane said:
It's pretty obvious that in a school that is ~50% or more hispanic that "build a wall" is hurtful and insulting to a lot of the kids. It's no shock that the other kids who know the hispanic kids protest alongside them.

Make America Great Again (tm) is generally not insulting to anyone except those who love big government.
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Why? Because their families are illegal?

Logically, there is no point to get enraged over a sign that wants to stop illegal immigration. It's not racist.

These kids protesting, are protesting against USA's current laws. They need to get back in school and learn some shit.
 
blue32 said:
Why? Because their families are illegal?

Logically, there is no point to get enraged over a sign that wants to stop illegal immigration. It's not racist.

These kids protesting, are protesting against USA's current laws. They need to get back in school and learn some shit.
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Because if Trump got his way, hispanics would have to carry papers around with them and they'd be harrassed constantly, "legal" or not. Reminiscent of disgraceful actions by our government (internment camps for Japanese) and others (numerous crimes against humanity).
 
Denny Crane said:
Because if Trump got his way, hispanics would have to carry papers around with them and they'd be harrassed constantly, "legal" or not. Reminiscent of disgraceful actions by our government (internment camps for Japanese) and others (numerous crimes against humanity).
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Don't give in to the media Denny. That's absurd and you know it.
 
blue32 said:
Don't give in to the media Denny. That's absurd and you know it.
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It is what Trump proposes. A huge military/police force dedicated to evicting those here without a visa. How can you tell a "legal" hispanic from one that isn't?
 
Holding papers, being harassed, and being removed from the USA because your illegal are two different things.

If that ever came to fruition, it would be very simple. You clamp down on businesses hiring illegals, you deport the ones that come into contact with the law, you deport the ones you catch at the border, and other such methods. There is no running around harassing people. You wont get 11 million, but you certainly will make a dent.

And absolutely they should do this. Because being here illegally is bullshit. Plain and simple.
 
Denny Crane said:
It is what Trump proposes. A huge military/police force dedicated to evicting those here without a visa. How can you tell a "legal" hispanic from one that isn't?
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That's easy! You get in someone's face and accuse them of being illegal if the have a Spanish accent.

Or you can go up to the white woman they're with and ask why she's with a spick.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Students on facebook are saying these kids were running around saying "kill all whites"

Now that is a threat. Not the bullshit build a wall comment.
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"If it doesn't make sense, it's not true."

- Judge Judy
 
blue32 said:
Holding papers, being harassed, and being removed from the USA because your illegal are two different things.

If that ever came to fruition, it would be very simple. You clamp down on businesses hiring illegals, you deport the ones that come into contact with the law, you deport the ones you catch at the border, and other such methods. There is no running around harassing people. You wont get 11 million, but you certainly will make a dent.

And absolutely they should do this. Because being here illegally is bullshit. Plain and simple.
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First, while people continue to hate on Obama he's been the best President on illegal immigration.

2nd, Tell me how a documented citizen would need to prove they are a citizen.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
That's easy! You get in someone's face and accuse them of being illegal if the have a Spanish accent.

Or you can go up to the white woman they're with and ask why she's with a spick.
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Geez! You need to bandage that sore.
 
Spending $billions to hunt down and evict 10s of millions of people is a crime against humanity and unconstitutional (4th & 5th & 6th amendments) and unamerican.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
That's easy! You get in someone's face and accuse them of being illegal if the have a Spanish accent.

Or you can go up to the white woman they're with and ask why she's with a spick.
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We need LESS of police hassling people, not more of it.
 
Republican House of Representatives passed this in 2012:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hres683/text

Section 1. Acknowledgement

That the House of Representatives regrets the passage of legislation that adversely affected people of Chinese origin in the United States because of their ethnicity.
 
http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/...egal-non-citizens-violate-the-14th-amendment/

There is, of course, a basic constitutional understanding that a sovereign nation has broad power to protect its borders, to decide who may enter its territory, what foreign nationals who enter can do while inside its borders, and how long they may be allowed to stay. Congress basically decides most of those issues by passing laws, but the Executive Branch has very wide discretion to decide the particulars of enforcing those laws.

Neither branch, however, may simply sweep away “life, liberty or property” from undocumented immigrants, just because they lack the proper papers. And neither may the state governments where such immigrants live.

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The biggest constitutional question that hangs over the Trump immigration policy platform, however, is the validity of the idea of mass deportation. If the candidate means that every one of the more than 11 million people now in the U.S. illegally must be sent back home, would Congress have the authority to order that without some justification, individual by individual? In other words, can planes, buses and railroad trains simply be loaded up with illegal residents, and carry them all out of the country nearly instantly?

There is no constitutional right to be in the U.S., or remain in the country, illegally, but would the courts be persuaded that mass deportation was not a race-driven policy? Would the government have to convince the courts, at least, that such an indiscriminate policy of exclusion was actually necessary to serve a valid national policy goal?

It is worth remembering that constitutional history has made a deeply harsh judgment against the policy that rounded up Japanese-Americans and sent them to prison camps, based solely on their racial identity, and the suspicion that that identity made them disloyal to the U.S. Would the courts react differently to a policy that supposes that every foreign national in the country without papers was going to commit a crime or be a threat to national security? What other reason could there be for including every one of them? That kind of broad classification of individuals would be very hard to justify in an era when human rights are now more surely respected.
 
I don't think Denny will be hired to implement the policy. His plans for the illegals is rather harsh, like taking a sledge hammer to a tack need next to the window. I am surprise to see Denny can't come up with better plans, but you see what he would do. It is really very simple, get control of the boarder and the Visa process and enforce the law that employers can only hire citizens or those authorized to work in the US, Green Card holders.
Geez, these law are already on the books.

Not many immigrants will stay when they can not work or access any service that requires proof of citizenship such as unemployment compensation to name one.
 
For you Fox News fans, here's Judge Napolitano on the constitutionality of Trump's plan:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/08/...ration-deportations-judge-napolitano-explains

Judge Andrew Napolitano explained this morning on "America's Newsroom" what Trump can and cannot do on immigration. He said that Trump's promise to deport children born in America to illegal immigrant mothers is "prohibited by the Constitution."

"The Constitution says very clearly, whoever is born here - no matter the intent of the parent - is a natural-born citizen. He could not change that. Even if he were to change the Constitution, it would not affect people who had already been born here. It would only affect people not yet born here," said Napolitano.

He added that any president can rescind an executive order of a predecessor. But the judge pointed out that every undocumented immigrant that Trump intends to deport would be entitled to a hearing and an appeal.

"That's between 11 and 13 million hearings and appeals. The most the United States has ever conducted in a year is 250,000. So do the math," Napolitano said, adding that the taxpayer would foot the bill for the proceedings, including defense costs.
 
MarAzul said:
I don't think Denny will be hired to implement the policy. His plans for the illegals is rather harsh, like taking a sledge hammer to a tack need next to the window. I am surprise to see Denny can't come up with better plans, but you see what he would do. It is really very simple, get control of the boarder and the Visa process and enforce the law that employers can only hire citizens or those authorized to work in the US, Green Card holders.
Geez, these law are already on the books.

Not many immigrants will stay when they can not work or access any service that requires proof of citizenship such as unemployment compensation to name one.
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That's not Trump's plan, and people who've lived here for decades will stay. This is their home.

For the second time in this thread, here is Trump's plan. A deportation force

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/donald-trump-deportation-force-debate-immigration/

Donald Trump promises 'deportation force' to remove 11 million
 
Denny Crane said:
here is Trump's plan
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That isn't a plan, just talk at this point. When the plan is actually formed and implemented, it will have to be legal and practical.
People that have lived here illegally are still illegal, not stupid.

I also think the 14th amendment making people born here to non citizens should be repealed, it was ill conceived. Being born in a country makes it your place of birth, you are a citizen of the country your parents are citizens.
 
blue32 said:
Don't give in to the media Denny. That's absurd and you know it.
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No, what's absurd is the amount of crazies you hear about seemingly every day.

People already feel entitled to hurt others for their own moronic reasons.

Did you hear about the guy who shot up that planned parent hood? What about the guy who recently shot up a Target(store)?

I could sit and list countless nutjobs, to the point you would stop reading.
 
dviss1 said:
"If it doesn't make sense, it's not true."

- Judge Judy
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How wouldnt that make sense? Kids say stupid shit all the time. Even if its a stupid comment its definitely still a threat.
 
The 14 amendment section making people born here citizens was put in place to make citizens of the slaves freed by the Civil war. And special law was needed to cover their specific case. In my view it was not specific enough, too far reaching to the point of ridiculous. Most countries do not do this, most countries recognize the right of decent, your children born abroad are still Natural Born Citizens. Their place of birth outside the United States does not change this.

Handling the freed slaves required a special case be formed, while the slave imported were not citizens, you could not morally return them to their country of origin, the country that enslaved them in the first place. This is in part, why the country of Liberia was formed. but in the end not used by the US. Lincoln was assassinated first. Then there were the children, several generations of them born to the original imported people. They had no country of origin other than the US, and must be made Citizens. The right of decent concept only extends one generation.

When British warships on patrol enforcing the international law against slavery and transportation of slaves across the Atlantic did intercept a slave ship, and when they were able to rescue the cargo, they usually returned the people freed to Liberia as they felt it wrong to returned them to the countries where they had been enslaved and sold.
 
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