Disciplined for freedom of speech?

[SlyPokerDog]

Geez! You need to bandage that sore.

Excuse me? I think I've demonstrated multiple times over the years on here I don't give two shits what a person calls me or thinks of me. But when someone is a jackass to either one of my parents for no reason other than my father's accent I'm going to take issue with it.

It's not a sore, it's a concern. My father immigrated to this country legally, served this country in the military, and proudly became a citizen. I've seen firsthand people make assumptions about my father because of his accent. From asking if he is here legally to stupid shit like being told he couldn't return something unless he could prove he didn't take it out of the country.

If there is sudden sweep of illegals from this country it is a concern that people won't take it upon themselves to "round 'em up!"

I've been very open about being completely against illegal immigration but that doesn't mean it's okay to start fucking with people who for the flimsiest of reasons we think don't belong here.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Yes it is. That's literally how stupid your argument is. I just undressed it for you.

Haha alright pal.

 

[Natebishop3]

Someone explain this to me - a student puts up a banner that says "build a wall," that banner is promptly taken down, and then kids from multiple schools walk out in protest?

What are they protesting exactly? Students "walking out" used to have something to do with the teachers or the school or the administration. How does walking out of class send any type of message to the student who did it? Does he give a shit?

It's like those kids at a college who protested because someone wrote "Trump 2016" in chalk on the steps outside a building. The school didn't have anything to do with it. They didn't approve it. They didn't support it. They removed it as quickly as they could. Why are you interrupting classes because one of your peers did something you don't agree with?

Are these people so fragile that they need to act out any time someone says something that offends them?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Excuse me? I think I've demonstrated multiple times over the years on here I don't give two shits what a person calls me or thinks of me. But when someone is a jackass to either one of my parents for no reason other than my father's accent I'm going to take issue with it.

It's not a sore, it's a concern. My father immigrated to this country legally, served this country in the military, and proudly became a citizen. I've seen firsthand people make assumptions about my father because of his accent. From asking if he is here legally to stupid shit like being told he couldn't return something unless he could prove he didn't take it out of the country.

If there is sudden sweep of illegals from this country it is a concern that people won't take it upon themselves to "round 'em up!"

I've been very open about being completely against illegal immigration but that doesn't mean it's okay to start fucking with people who for the flimsiest of reasons we think don't belong here.

Agreed. Thats so messed up that he has to deal with situations like that. Im surprised you arent in jail yet for beating someones ass.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Crazy. To think I will be grouped in with these asshats that think "build the wall" and "Make America Great Again" is racist for the rest of my life in this great country of mine is a real buzzkill. When people say we are becoming a pussified nation, this is exhibit A of that being true.

Many racists have adopted and rallied behind those phrases because to them they mean "keep Mexicans out" and "stop catering to minorities." How is wanting to stop being racist considered "pussification" in your eyes?

That's like saying parents shouldn't be allowed to play with their kids at the park, because pedophiles stalk kids at the park.

No it's not.

Essentially @VanillaGorilla, how I (and I presume others) interpret what you said above was that because some racists have attributed racist interpretations to the phrase "build a wall", that consequently makes the phrase itself and use thereof racist. That is classic guilt by association. @Sinobas's example is certainly extreme, but it's not entirely without merit. You're saying that using that phrase makes one racist because racists use that phrase. But we would not say that an adult at a park is a pedophile just because pedophiles go to parks. I see where he's coming from.

I'm hoping, however, that this is all based on misconceptions regarding your post. I welcome you to clear them up for me.

 

[Natebishop3]

Essentially @VanillaGorilla, how I (and I presume others) interpret what you said above was that because some racists have attributed racist interpretations to the phrase "build a wall", that consequently makes the phrase itself and use thereof racist. That is classic guilt by association. @Sinobas's example is certainly extreme, but it's not entirely without merit. You're saying that using that phrase makes one racist because racists use that phrase. But we would not say that an adult at a park is a pedophile just because pedophiles go to parks. I see where he's coming from.

I'm hoping, however, that this is all based on misconceptions regarding your post. I welcome you to clear them up for me.

But.... that's how society works now.

Racists use "build a wall" as part of their agenda to keep out Mexicans. The phrase is closely tied to racism towards illegal immigrants and towards Mexicans in general. Doesn't make it racist, but simply by common usage it because associated with that cause.

Similarly, Stephen Adams calls Steph Curry and Klay Thompson "monkeys," but not because he had malicious intent. He was only comparing their speed and agility to monkeys, yet his first inclination was to quickly apologize and provide context for his remark. That's just how our society is now. People have used "monkey" as a racial slur towards black people, so now it's taboo to use that phrase in any relation to a black person. It's really no different with "build a wall." We associate the desire to build a wall with people who don't want Mexicans entering this country. So if someone says, "build a wall," we immediately assume they don't like Mexicans or illegal immigrants.

 

[Sinobas]

Someone explain this to me - a student puts up a banner that says "build a wall," that banner is promptly taken down, and then kids from multiple schools walk out in protest?

What are they protesting exactly? Students "walking out" used to have something to do with the teachers or the school or the administration. How does walking out of class send any type of message to the student who did it? Does he give a shit?

It's like those kids at a college who protested because someone wrote "Trump 2016" in chalk on the steps outside a building. The school didn't have anything to do with it. They didn't approve it. They didn't support it. They removed it as quickly as they could. Why are you interrupting classes because one of your peers did something you don't agree with?

Are these people so fragile that they need to act out any time someone says something that offends them?

This protest shit is out of control. So now you're going to hold a protest anytime anyone says something you don't agree with? If the school had posted that, they'd at least still be in the arena of sanity in holding a protest.

But really, they are just stupid kids. The parents are problem stupid, and their children will probably be even more worthless. Idiocracy here we come.

 

[Natebishop3]

This protest shit is out of control. So now you're going to hold a protest anytime anyone says something you don't agree with? If the school had posted that, they'd at least still be in the arena of sanity in holding a protest.

But really, they are just stupid kids. The parents are problem stupid, and their children will probably be even more worthless. Idiocracy here we come.

It won't be idiocracy. It will be a hyper-PC society where you can't say anything controversial, or go against the mob because they'll make your life a living hell. These people don't mess around. They'll try to get you fired. They'll call your house. They'll physically threaten you.

I remember a few years ago, a video surfaced of a soldier throwing a puppy off a cliff or something like that. People flipped out, tried to figure out who the guy was, and then started calling his family. His parents. His wife. His kids. They called their houses and started threatening their lives. This was before the video was proven to be real, or really determined who the guy was in the video. People just went full crusade mode, and started attacking. That's why doxxing is banned on Reddit because that site got into trouble one too many times.

 

[dviss1]

How wouldnt that make sense? Kids say stupid shit all the time. Even if its a stupid comment its definitely still a threat.

It doesn't make sense because it didn't happen. I don't believe it did for one second.

 

[dviss1]

This protest shit is out of control. So now you're going to hold a protest anytime anyone says something you don't agree with? If the school had posted that, they'd at least still be in the arena of sanity in holding a protest.

But really, they are just stupid kids. The parents are problem stupid, and their children will probably be even more worthless. Idiocracy here we come.

It's their inalienable right:

Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

 

[Natebishop3]

"If it doesn't make sense, it's not true."

- Judge Judy

So THAT'S why so many people don't believe in climate change? It doesn't make sense to them, so they don't think it's true.

 

[dviss1]

The same way I proved I was a citizen the last time I renewed my drivers license.

So when walking down the street I should have to have necessary paperwork that proves my citizenship? Should I have to provide these papers upon request? What if there's no reason to ask for said paperwork?

 

[dviss1]

So THAT'S why so many people don't believe in climate change? It doesn't make sense to them, so they don't think it's true.

It makes complete sense though.

 

[Natebishop3]

It's their inalienable right:

Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

And the school is within their rights to punish all the kids who walked out, as they should. They disrupted school, simply because some stupid kid did something that they don't agree with. The banner was taken down. The kid was punished. There's nothing to protest.

If some idiot where you worked put up a sign with an offensive message, and the company took it down immediately and fired him, would you feel justified in walking out in protest? Would your employer be within his rights to fire you for leaving work for no reason?

 

[Natebishop3]

It makes complete sense though.

It makes sense to you, and it makes sense to me, but it doesn't make sense to them so they don't believe it. I guess your quote is accurate.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

You're saying that using that phrase makes one racist because racists use that phrase.

I am not saying that.

Earlier in this thread, I said:

Trump is undoubtedly the candidate that racists like the most in a very long time, but that doesn't make every Trump supporter racist.

The same principle applies to the phrases.

Hope that clears things up.

 

[dviss1]

And the school is within their rights to punish all the kids who walked out, as they should. They disrupted school, simply because some stupid kid did something that they don't agree with. The banner was taken down. The kid was punished. There's nothing to protest.

If some idiot where you worked put up a sign with an offensive message, and the company took it down immediately and fired him, would you feel justified in walking out in protest? Would your employer be within his rights to fire you for leaving work for no reason?

Apples/oranges. It's where the kids matriculate. They can't just transfer schools. Nor can they be fired.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

It doesn't make sense because it didn't happen. I don't believe it did for one second.

Because you say it didnt?

I mean, dont get me wrong. It does seem a little far fetched, but if people are saying they were there and thats what was said, even people that are minorities, not whites, i think id believe them over someone who was not there.

But they are human, and humans lie.

 

[Natebishop3]

Apples/oranges. It's where the kids matriculate. They can't just transfer schools. Nor can they be fired.

Sure they can. Kids are expelled all the time. Or suspended.

There has to be a REASON to protest. If the kids want to meet up and sing koombaya after school, that's great. Go do that. But they walked out of class. They intentionally disrupted school, and for what? What was the purpose? The school didn't put up the sign. The school didn't ignore the sign. The school didn't allow the kid to go unpunished.

There was no reason to protest the school.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I am not saying that. Hope that clears things up.

So, was this statement of mine--"Because some racists have attributed racist interpretations to the phrase 'build a wall', that consequently makes the phrase itself and use thereof racist"--incorrect? Again, that was what it seemed you were saying.

 

[dviss1]

Sure they can. Kids are expelled all the time. Or suspended.

There has to be a REASON to protest. If the kids want to meet up and sing koombaya after school, that's great. Go do that. But they walked out of class. They intentionally disrupted school, and for what? What was the purpose? The school didn't put up the sign. The school didn't ignore the sign. The school didn't allow the kid to go unpunished.

There was no reason to protest the school.

That's the thing. They're not protesting the school. They're protesting racism. And they have an inalienable right to protest.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

So, was this statement of mine--"Because some racists have attributed racist interpretations to the phrase 'build a wall', that consequently makes the phrase itself and use thereof racist"--incorrect? Again, that was what it seemed you were saying.

To quote @Natebishop3, "Racists use "build a wall" as part of their agenda to keep out Mexicans. The phrase is closely tied to racism towards illegal immigrants and towards Mexicans in general. Doesn't make it racist, but simply by common usage it (becomes) associated with that cause."

 

[VanillaGorilla]

So, was this statement of mine--"Because some racists have attributed racist interpretations to the phrase 'build a wall', that consequently makes the phrase itself and use thereof racist"--incorrect? Again, that was what it seemed you were saying.

Basically, you can't blame people for considering it racist when many people do use it in a racist way.

 

[dviss1]

Because you say it didnt?

I mean, dont get me wrong. It does seem a little far fetched, but if people are saying they were there and thats what was said, even people that are minorities, not whites, i think id believe them over someone who was not there.

But they are human, and humans lie.

The Honorable judge has never failed me.

If it doesn't make sense...

 

[Natebishop3]

That's the thing. They're not protesting the school. They're protesting racism. And they have an inalienable right to protest.

Again, you are misunderstanding freedom of speech. The federal government can't pass a law, or throw these people in jail for protesting, but the school can absolutely punish the students for walking out in the middle of class. They are breaking the rules.

Regardless, you aren't addressing the fact that it's a stupid method and a stupid reason to protest.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Basically, you can't blame people for considering it racist when many people do use it in a racist way.

So use of the phrase doesn't make one a racist person, but use of the phrase is a racist act, because some racist people use the phrase? That's the fine line that has been drawn here?

 

[dviss1]

Again, you are misunderstanding freedom of speech. The federal government can't pass a law, or throw these people in jail for protesting, but the school can absolutely punish the students for walking out in the middle of class. They are breaking the rules.

Regardless, you aren't addressing the fact that it's a stupid method and a stupid reason to protest.

I'm not misunderstanding one thing. It is their inalienable right to protest. I never said that the school couldn't discipline them.

 

[Natebishop3]

So use of the phrase doesn't make one a racist person, but use of the phrase is a racist act, because some racist people use the phrase? That's the fine line that has been drawn here?

You're looking at this logically.... stop.

There is nothing logical about society. If you use the word niggardly, are you saying something racist? No. If you use it in public will someone think you're being racist? Yes. It doesn't matter what your intention was, or whether the word is in fact harmless, all that matters is how society perceives the use of that word. Our language is constantly evolving, and while saying "build a wall" a few years ago wouldn't have drawn even the slightest attention, today it is seen as an attack on Mexicans and Mexican-Americans.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm not misunderstanding one thing. It is their inalienable right to protest. I never said that the school couldn't discipline them.

So why are you bringing it up? Nobody said it wasn't their right.

I said it was a stupid method.

I said it makes no sense to protest the school when the school had nothing to do with it.

I said the school should punish them for interrupting class.

Why are you citing the bill of rights when they have no bearing on this conversation?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

The Honorable judge has never failed me.

If it doesn't make sense...

More power to you man.

But why judge judy?!??!

Should at least be going with mills lane?