Disciplined for freedom of speech?

[VanillaGorilla]

So use of the phrase doesn't make one a racist person, but use of the phrase is a racist act, because some racist people use the phrase? That's the fine line that has been drawn here?

What Nate said is pretty much my thoughts on it.

You're looking at this logically.... stop.

There is nothing logical about society. If you use the word niggardly, are you saying something racist? No. If you use it in public will someone think you're being racist? Yes. It doesn't matter what your intention was, or whether the word is in fact harmless, all that matters is how society perceives the use of that word. Our language is constantly evolving, and while saying "build a wall" a few years ago wouldn't have drawn even the slightest attention, today it is seen as an attack on Mexicans and Mexican-Americans.

 

[dviss1]

More power to you man.

But why judge judy?!??!

Should at least be going with mills lane?

I handle a lot of situations with my son by using Judge Judy tactics. I don't want to hear anything that you have to say except for the answers to my questions. And if it doesn't make sense it's not true. Though there's always an exception to the last rule.

 

[Natebishop3]

Listen - it's this simple.

If you make a sign that's pretty clearly aimed towards Mexicans or Mexican-Americans, and then you put that sign in an area where you know people of that group will see it, then you are obviously using it as a way to hurt/upset/anger people. You can call it whatever you want, but he wasn't hanging that banner to start a dialogue. He wasn't being constructive. He was doing it to troll people. I guess this kid is learning that the real world isn't like the internet. If you say something inflammatory, it will come back to bite you in the ass.

 

[Sinobas]

It's their inalienable right:

Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

No one is trying to prosecute them, but they're protesting something a student said, that was not even endorsed by the school, but was in fact punished.

Also, while they are squawking around with their freedom of speech, why don't they want others to have the same? Don't claim your right to free speech if you don't give it to others.

 

[Sinobas]

Why the fuck are Mexicans "inflammed" by the suggestion of building a wall to keep out illegal immigrants? Perhaps they are pro-illegal immigration, but they can't bear the idea that others may not be? They can go fuck themselves. Shove their protest signs up their asses.

 

[dviss1]

Also, while they are squawking around with their freedom of speech, why don't they want others to have the same? Don't claim your right to free speech if you don't give it to others.

Silly notion. Just like racism is protected speech, so is criticism of racism. Regardless of what happened to the student that did it, these kids have a right to protest what was said.

 

[Natebishop3]

these kids have a right to protest what was said.

You keep talking about their rights.

We're talking about their reasons.

 

[Denny Crane]

You keep talking about their rights.

We're talking about their reasons.

Solidarity with their fellow classmates. Protest against continued racism at the school.

 

[MarAzul]

Excuse me? I think I've demonstrated multiple times over the years on here I don't give two shits what a person calls me or thinks of me. But when someone is a jackass to either one of my parents for no reason other than my father's accent I'm going to take issue with it.

It's not a sore, it's a concern. My father immigrated to this country legally, served this country in the military, and proudly became a citizen. I've seen firsthand people make assumptions about my father because of his accent. From asking if he is here legally to stupid shit like being told he couldn't return something unless he could prove he didn't take it out of the country.

If there is sudden sweep of illegals from this country it is a concern that people won't take it upon themselves to "round 'em up!"

I've been very open about being completely against illegal immigration but that doesn't mean it's okay to start fucking with people who for the flimsiest of reasons we think don't belong here.

Sorry Sly, I do notice you have pain over this issue. I did not intend to cause you more, but I did intend for you notice how many time you do post about this, and I fear your pain will not stop until you let it go. Then it can heal. You can not correct the view of everyone that might use the word Spic anymore than the one eyed man can improve the imagery of the blind. He died in the attempt you know.

Heck, many people experience difficulties in this country when they don't speak quite like the All American. When I began school, I spoke far too much Gaelic for the liking of my teachers, hell they corrected me on how to pronounce my name every time I said it. I would ask my people how to say it, then stubbornly say it again in school.

You are not the first to hear shit over the way you or your parents speak, but screw it man, let it go. You owe no one and it sounds like your father paid his dues in full. Feel no pain, you are all legal, so is mine, dad paid the full price. We all need to insist that all new comers also do the Ellis Island of their day. The rule of law needs to be kept for the benefit of all citizens.

 

[Natebishop3]

Solidarity with their fellow classmates. Protest against continued racism at the school.

Again, I think it's the right idea but the wrong method.

Walking out of class is a way of protesting the school. If you want to show solidarity, do so after school on your own time.

Would you protest outside a Fred Meyer because you heard one of the shoppers say something racist while you were buying bagels?

 

[MarAzul]

What if there's no reason to ask for said paperwork?

Sure there is. You will want a job, citizens or verifiable green card holders only. As I recall, the DMV also accepts the DD214. That's what I handed them, I don't think I had to give them my passport.

 

[Sinobas]

Silly notion. Just like racism is protected speech, so is criticism of racism. Regardless of what happened to the student that did it, these kids have a right to protest what was said.

This new brand of social justice warrior doesn't want to listen to the other side. If you don't agree with them, they try to ban you from coming to their city. They try to get you fired, harass you etc. They are trying to squash the other side, that's not allowing them free speech.

And you keep calling it racism. How is building a wall racist? Do you have fence in your back yard? How would you like it if your neighbors accused you of hating them because you had a fence, thus not allowing them to walk onto your property uninvited. These idiots are protesting the idea of doing that.

 

[Natebishop3]

Proportional response.

One kid hangs a banner, which might cause 15 minutes of disruption, so hundreds of kids walk out and "protest."

How disruptive was the walk-out? Was the response proportional to the original transgression? I know people are upset, and they want to do something, but one stupid kid hanging a banner isn't worth this much noise. Let the school punish the kid. Dismiss it as trolling and move along.

 

[MarAzul]

Funny the varying perceptions different people have about things and happenings.

Trump just won the election in the Oregon primary. I was happy to see him do so, many people said he would not have a chance here.
He Won! That might be my first thought about posting a banner about Biuld the Wall! Seems like support for Trump.

dviss is sure it is racist! My thought about that is, Wow! Of course he said I was racist the first time I posted about McMillan being a poor coach.

Yep, racist comes first.

 

[Denny Crane]

Again, I think it's the right idea but the wrong method.

Walking out of class is a way of protesting the school. If you want to show solidarity, do so after school on your own time.

Would you protest outside a Fred Meyer because you heard one of the shoppers say something racist while you were buying bagels?

Hundreds of students from several schools disagree.

 

[dviss1]

You keep talking about their rights.

We're talking about their reasons.

I believe in their right as well as their reason. What's the problem with people speaking out about racism? Some of you in here act like it's an affront to your existence...

 

[Natebishop3]

Hundreds of students from several schools disagree.

Well, gosh, hundreds of teenagers can't possibly be wrong, right?

 

[dviss1]

This new brand of social justice warrior doesn't want to listen to the other side. If you don't agree with them, they try to ban you from coming to their city. They try to get you fired, harass you etc. They are trying to squash the other side, that's not allowing them free speech.

Making things up as you go along? Minorities don't have any of those powers you speak of.

Speaking out against racism is not:

A. Racist

B. Stifling free speech.

 

[dviss1]

Trump just won the election in the Oregon primary. I was happy to see him do so, many people said he would not have a chance here.
He Won! That might be my first thought about posting a banner about Biuld the Wall! Seems like support for Trump.

dviss is sure it is racist! My thought about that is, Wow! Of course he said I was racist the first time I posted about McMillan being a poor coach.

Yep, racist comes first.

1st nobody ran against him (you really want to count any of the other candidates on that side save Kasich?)

2nd by the time Oregon came around everyone dropped out.

Both of these sorry ass parties are in a shambles and really looking like they'll both split in two

 

[Natebishop3]

I believe in their right as well as their reason. What's the problem with people speaking out about racism? Some of you in here act like it's an affront to your existence...

Dude..... you are so frustrating to debate with. You put up the SJW anti-racism wall and you can't seem to comprehend what I'm even saying.

It's not the message. I didn't say there's anything wrong with speaking out against racism.

I don't agree with walking out of school because one stupid kid did something that could be construed as racist. Proportional response.

 

[dviss1]

Dude..... you are so frustrating to debate with. You put up the SJW anti-racism wall and you can't seem to comprehend what I'm even saying.

It's not the message. I didn't say there's anything wrong with speaking out against racism.

I don't agree with walking out of school because one stupid kid did something that could be construed as racist. Proportional response.

I'm frustrating to debate with because I don't agree with you?

You don't seem to understand and that's understandable.

The kids aren't protesting the student or the school.

Their protesting racism and Donald Trump. The whole build a wall bullshit is Trump's narrative. They are demonstrating because of the whole notion of building a wall not just the kid who put the sign up.

 

[Denny Crane]

Well, gosh, hundreds of teenagers can't possibly be wrong, right?

Your idea might make sense if it was only one student. Hundreds of students. They're not lemmings.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

 

[PDXFonz]

This protest shit is out of control. So now you're going to hold a protest anytime anyone says something you don't agree with? If the school had posted that, they'd at least still be in the arena of sanity in holding a protest.

But really, they are just stupid kids. The parents are problem stupid, and their children will probably be even more worthless. Idiocracy here we come.

This is like Ted Bundy leading the charge on "Fur is murder".

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm frustrating to debate with because I don't agree with you?

You don't seem to understand and that's understandable.

The kids aren't protesting the student or the school.

Their protesting racism and Donald Trump. The whole build a wall bullshit is Trump's narrative. They are demonstrating the whole notion of building a wall not just the kid who put the sign up.

You're frustrating because you keep saying things that nobody is arguing against.

You keep saying it's their right. Nobody is arguing against the Bill of Rights.

You ask what the problem is with people speaking out against racism? Nobody said there's a problem with speaking out against racism, in general.

You're completely ignoring my point that this was an overreaction to something small. Sure, get together and talk about racism. Show unity. Show togetherness. Have a conversation and talk about the issues. That's all great. I wish they would just get together and talk about it. Staging a walk-out accomplishes nothing. It grabs headlines and that's it. It's disruptive.

 

[Natebishop3]

Your idea might make sense if it was only one student. Hundreds of students. They're not lemmings.

Hell yes, they are. High school students are NOTORIOUS for following the crowd and doing what's popular. What world do you live in?

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Your idea might make sense if it was only one student. Hundreds of students. They're not lemmings.

Yeah they are, I bet more than 3/4 of the walk outers just did it to get out of school lol

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeah they are, I bet more than 3/4 of the walk outers just did it to get out of school lol

Ding! Ding! Ding!

 

[dviss1]

You're completely ignoring my point that this was an overreaction to something small. Sure, get together and talk about racism. Show unity. Show togetherness. Have a conversation and talk about the issues. That's all great. I wish they would just get together and talk about it. Staging a walk-out accomplishes nothing. It grabs headlines and that's it. It's disruptive.

No. I'm not ignoring that at all. I simply disagree that they are overreacting and that this is "something small". Donald Trump is literally talking about Nazi Germany type shit. Show me your papers, round em' up shit. If he were talking about rounding up blacks I'd find every opportunity to protest.

Edit: and as a matter of fact, I would protest right alongside those kids.

 

[Natebishop3]

No. I'm not ignoring that at all. I simply disagree that they are overreacting and that this is "something small". Donald Trump is literally talking about Nazi Germany type shit. Show me your papers, round em' up shit. If he were talking about rounding up blacks I'd find every opportunity to protest.

People comparing Trump to Hitler are seriously diminishing the shit that Hitler did. I don't like Trump, but come on..... comparing a guy who wants to round up people who are in the country illegally to deport them, with a guy who rounded up and exterminated citizens from all over Europe is extremely insulting to the suffering that Jews faced in WWII.

Whether you agree with Trump or not, these people are in the country illegally. They are breaking the law. You can't dispute that. There is a law, and they're breaking it. Trump's way of dealing with that is building a silly wall that won't accomplish anything, and deporting the people who are already in the country. Can we PLEASE stop comparing that to Hitler? I think he's got a loooong way to go before he can even remotely be compared to Hitler.