DO NOT TRADE ANDRE MILLER!!!!!!!!

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This guy has proven his weight in gold! He is rock solid stable, never injured and his assists and our teams chemistry is on! We are not going to get Paul, Rose, Rondo, Parker or Wall.... after that I see no one in the league or coming out of school that has what Dre does! Andre has saved this teams ass on a nightly basis. Yes he's older but look at his assists as of late, the whole team is now involved and there is movement, that is Dre!

Dre has two years easy left in him at the rate he's playing now, and that's not to shabby!
 
The problem is we're not winning anything in the next two years or while Dre will ever be a factor. The smart move is to trade him for a younger prospect that can help us with our rebuild/reload.
 
Agreed. Miller is one of the best point guards in the league, and probably the most underrated. I hope we don't trade him.
 
no maxie is wrong. miller can still play 2-3 more years. resign him.
 
All I will say is that I hope Cho (and maybe more importantly Paul Allen) is thinking long term.
 
Agreed. Miller is one of the best point guards in the league, and probably the most underrated. I hope we don't trade him.

Don't misunderstand me. I love 'Dre. If our window were open, by all means I'd keep him, but I think we have to take a step back to take two steps forward in the future.
 
It's not like Miller is going to be the difference in us winning a title or not, so why not get an asset for him that might when we are ready to compete for a title again?
 
It's not like Miller is going to be the difference in us winning a title or not, so why not get an asset for him that might when we are ready to compete for a title again?

I think it's pretty clear that there are some people around here who are either incapable or unwilling to embrace the fact that this team might have to go back to the lottery days if they are to have any shot at being competitive on the other side of the lockout ... on the other hand if we hold on to guys like Miller, Camby and Joel and get nothing at all for them, we'll still end up in the lottery anyway, but with even less to show for it.
 
Don't misunderstand me. I love 'Dre. If our window were open, by all means I'd keep him, but I think we have to take a step back to take two steps forward in the future.
I absolutely get that. I've been around long enough to know how it works in the NBA. But I also think it's possible that Camby's return, plus Roy's, might allow us to do some real damage in the playoffs. Don't forget the way we handled San Antonio and Chicago recently. This team is not yet dead, and far from it.
 
I absolutely get that. I've been around long enough to know how it works in the NBA. But I also think it's possible that Camby's return, plus Roy's, might allow us to do some real damage in the playoffs. Don't forget the way we handled San Antonio and Chicago recently. This team is not yet dead, and far from it.

With what we hear about Paul Allen wanting to make a push to the playoffs - I really doubt we will see Miller moved unless we can get someone like Devin Harris. It just does not seem to be in the cards.

My gut feeling is that there is a very good chance joel is moved, we are likely to lose some of the smaller/younger contracts (Babbit/Armon/Rudy/Marks/Dante) - and there is a chance we move Camby as well. I just do not think they will move Miller at this point in time.
 
He's getting 10- 14 assists a game! That is Nash, Kidd, Parker, Rose #'s! That said no one is saying let's get rid of Kidd or Nash cause of their age.... He may not be on a Nash or Kidd in his prime level but he's not that far off and way more durable. Dre also brings pure leadership out there, and knows when to attack the hoop and when to pass... Young prospects unless they are Wall, Rose talented will stunt this teams growth. There is no Wall or Rose right now available or coming out of school.


As for the let's get young prospects... great if we "are" looking at the next Wall or Rose... but our great young talent is now on the Twolves, Raptors and Nets...

This is a case where chemistry and what works is more important than draft picks.. IF ODEN comes back healthy next year this team is scary! Dre to LA and ODEN on a nightly basis would be wicked!
 
Don't misunderstand me. I love 'Dre. If our window were open, by all means I'd keep him, but I think we have to take a step back to take two steps forward in the future.

I think Yardape's point was that we might as well hold on to him because there is no one out there that we are going to get that is worth a damn that we can get for Miller. Sure if he brings in a young star PG it is worth the trade. But that is highly unlikely.

Yes we need a young PG but you might as well hold on to Miller too. He can mentor him. But who trades young PG's for old ones? It happens very seldom.
 
Bingo!!!! Pinwheel jackhammered that point! BTW- Let's take a look at the young PG's Portland has drafted over the years..... Bayless, Telfair, Johnson, Jack and Mills.... Non of these guys are starters or will be for years to come or if ever. Would you take any of these highly touted college players over Dre? Not even close!
 
The problem is we're not winning anything in the next two years or while Dre will ever be a factor. The smart move is to trade him for a younger prospect that can help us with our rebuild/reload.

I agree... I think Miller's still a good player, but by the time the team will be in a position to win anything, Miller will either be not-so-good or he'll be gone. I'd rather get assets for him if we can.

It comes down to what we can get, of course. I'm not going to say DO NOT TRADE ANDRE MILLER any more than I'm going to say TRADE ANDRE MILLER. It just depends on what we can get.

Ed O.
 
I'm sorry but the only PG anyone has discussed around here is Harris, and I for one don't think he's better than Dre. Anyone else not named Rose, Wall, Paul, Parker, Rondo or Westbrook is a downgrade in my eyes! We have won some games now and the team understands how to play pick and roll with Dre and LA, ya throw in Oden and if Batum can ever break the deer in the headlights scenario we will be a beast to match up against! We may need a backup bruiser at the PF but I say stick!
 
It comes down to what we can get, of course. I'm not going to say DO NOT TRADE ANDRE MILLER any more than I'm going to say TRADE ANDRE MILLER. It just depends on what we can get.

This is pretty much my position on every player on the roster. It's a more boring position than "AT ALL COSTS, DO NOT TRADE" or "TRADE NO MATTER WHAT" but I think it's boring and correct. :)
 
There's also a huge component called Team Chemistry!!! I think this team is on the verge of finally having some! The ball is moving and everyone is getting involved. Dre looks comfortable out there for once and everyone looks excited to be on the court from Dante to Rudy....

You find me another PG not in the list I've already named doing a double/ double almost a night and I'm all ears..
 
Oh and one other thing to consider.... Unless we are talking about the next Rondo, Rose or Paul.... we better get a new coach cause Nate isn't real big on playing rookies, so Patty Mills will be the starter than? HMMMMMM!!!!
 
Thing is, Miller means a lot to the way we play these days. His loss is worth significantly more than just "one step back."
 
There's no need to trade him this year; we have the team option for next year, and can trade his expiring contract then, after extracting more good play from him this year. I think we'll keep him, extend him, then trade him next year at this time (provided we're playing basketball next year at this time).
 
There's no need to trade him this year; we have the team option for next year, and can trade his expiring contract then, after extracting more good play from him this year. I think we'll keep him, extend him, then trade him next year at this time (provided we're playing basketball next year at this time).

Why would we do that? Presumably a team would give us more now than they would a year from now (when he's older and, in your scenario, more than a year removed from free agency)...

I think that the team should be seeking to maximize the return on him, and waiting doesn't seem like it would do that.

Ed O.
 
Unless by some mircale, we can somehow get a very good, young to mid-career PG (and those are very rare), I hope we keep Miller through the end of this season - and pickup his option for next season, too.

Sure, he's almost 35, but he's playing great ball this season. His advanced stats (PER, AST%, etc.) are actually above his career averages. He is not yet showing any signs of declining performance. His game does not rely on athleticism, and he has proven to be very durable.

LaMarcus Aldridge deserves a ton of credit for the hard work he put in over the summer to improve his low post game. However, it's no coincidence his production really started to take off when the Blazers offense started running through Miller instead of Roy. LaMarcus got off to a very slow start this season - posting numbers well below his career averages - until mid-December when Roy went on the inactive list. Since then, LaMarcus has been dominant. But, he wouldn't be able to take advantage of his improved low post game without a PG who knows how to feed the low post. That's one of Andre Miller's biggest assets - he knows when, where and how to get the ball into the post. Take that away, and I see LaMarcus regressing - not all the way to his former self, but not as dominant as he's been lately.

I'd also like to see Oden and Miller play together for a season. Back at the beginning of the 2009-10 season, Oden and Miller seemed to be devloping some chemistry. Unfortunately, they rarely got to play together in games. Back then, Blake was starting and Nate ALWAYS pulled Oden at the 6 minute mark - sooner if he picked up two quick fouls. Miller didn't usually enter the game until around the 9 minute mark. So, in the few games before Oden's injury, Miller and Oden usually only played together a couple minutes per game. Just like he's helped with Aldridge's development, Miller feeding the ball into Oden on the low block would do miracles for Oden's game. Oden has the basic tools to be a dominant low post scorer, but he lacks two things - experience and confidence. Miller feeding him in the low post will help overcome both of those issue.

Just look how much Aldridge's confidence has increased over the last two months. He's now knocking down big shots in the 4th quarter with the game on the line on a regular basis - and smiling while he's doing it likes it's as easy as can be. That's something that did not exist during Aldridge's first 4 years in the league. I don't want to give Miller too much credit, but he's certainly helped accelerate Aldridge's emergence as a go-to scorer. And once confidence it developed, it sticks. Aldridge has it now, and you can see it in the way he approaches the game. Oden lacks it, but Miller can help him develop it.

Unless you can somehow get one of the very rare younger PGs who make their big men better (Chris Paul), I would not look to move Miller. Even if Miller's individual performance starts to decline (and it isn't, yet), his ability to feed the low post is something this team is going to need to get to the next level.

Let's be honest, a heathly, productive, confident Oden is our best shot at a title. Without Oden, adding a young, project PGOTF isn't going to get us any closer to a championship - in fact, it will be a big step backwards short term, and may not help much long term either.

If Oden can come back next year, and Roy can be a reasonably productive 6th man for the next couple years, I think we have about a two year window to make a serious title run. Look at it this way. This current roster without Oden, Roy and Camby is on pace to win 50 games and be a 5th/6th seed. I know it's a big if, but if we can add Roy, in a reduced role, Oden as a starter and Camby as a back-up, this team could still contend for a title a title for a year, or two. It will take things lining up perfectly, like they did back in 1977, but I really think it's our best shot at a title.

Blowing things up will set the team back at least five years, and even then there is no guantee what you end up rebuilding will be any better than what we have now. How long did it take Orlando to rebuild between Shaq and Dwight? And, they still don't have a title. How long has it taken Chicago to rebuild post-MJ? Who was the last team to win a championship by building through the draft? Not the Lakers, not the Celtics, not the Pistons. I think you have to go back to the 1999 Spurs - who lucked out and got Duncan and had David Robinson coming back from an injury that got them in the lottery in the first place. Most champions are made by starting with a decent base - which we have now, and adding veteran pieces through trades and free agency. I'd rather take that approcah than blowing things up and completely starting over.

BNM
 
I think it's pretty clear that there are some people around here who are either incapable or unwilling to embrace the fact that this team might have to go back to the lottery days if they are to have any shot at being competitive on the other side of the lockout ... on the other hand if we hold on to guys like Miller, Camby and Joel and get nothing at all for them, we'll still end up in the lottery anyway, but with even less to show for it.

Jeez Nic, I don't know when you have flipped over to the totally negative side, but it seems this year you have no positve blood flowing through you. I know because I always used to agreed with your posts in the past but either I have become total Blazer homer (possible) or your getting more sour about the team as the years go on.

Where is the competitive drive to try and make the playoffs? To try and over achieve. Isn't fun that many were counting the Blazers out of the playoffs and here we are contending for 5th? This is what makes sports fun. We are relevant this year. So Blazers probably fizzle in first round . . . it means they aren't a top 4 team in the western conference.

I think Cho should stick with this team, exercize Andre's option and the Blazers will be in the exact same position next year if they want to make moves. Let's run with this fun bunch and see what happens.
 
Where is the competitive drive to try and make the playoffs? To try and over achieve. Isn't fun that many were counting the Blazers out of the playoffs and here we are contending for 5th? This is what makes sports fun. We are relevant this year. So Blazers probably fizzle in first round . . . it means they aren't a top 4 team in the western conference.

This is my opinion as well, especially as there is a chance that this team will be competitive in the playoffs. If Aldridge can maintain his new self, we get some nice production from Roy (even if it is for shorter minutes) - this team might be able to make some noise in the playoffs. Our perimeter defense has been much better this year, adding Camby (or replacement center/anchor) would help with out interior defense, the Lakers look slower this year, we match well with SAS. This team might be able to do something in the playoffs if the cards fall our way - and we are due for some good luck for a chance, I think. Statistically things should start to even out sooner or later.
 
You didn't weigh in on trading Dre. Is your position still trade him or waive him, this year?

Go Blazers

Trade him for something better (or younger with potential) or keep him. I've learned to enjoy his positives and not dwell on his negatives. Perhaps you missed my epiphany a week or so ago. I started to enjoy this season no matter what happens, and root for the players despite glaring weaknesses that keep them from being great, or making the team great. Expecting Andre Miller to start hitting outside shots to open up the middle is unproductive; instead, I embrace all Blazer players, warts and all, and will enjoy the team, win or lose. Posting many negative posts about Miller accomplished nothing, just as others who post many negative posts about the coach, Roy, Cunningham, <enter player/coach/owner/announcer here> are accomplishing nothing. That said, while I'm not going to overrate players with average stats (see the Matthews' Slow Start thread), I will always root for them to do well, and to try their best to lead my city's team to a victory!
 
I'm for playing out the string this year. If Marcus and Brandon can come back and produce, this team has a shot at getting past the first round, then you never know.

I've remained a rabid homer though the jailblazers, then the re-build...for what? Two years of competitive play, then re-build again? Screw that. If they blow it up this season, I'll remain a fan, but I'll be a casual one until they become relevant again.

Further, the league seems to be setting up a few 'super' teams to play against a bunch of also-rans. I have zero level of confidence that blowing it up will ever result in a Blazers contender if the league continues down the path they are currently headed.

Go Blazers
 

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