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RR7 said:
Chris Paul had an 11 year age gap on Booker, Bridges and Johnson, and a 13 year age gap on Ayton, and that team managed to make the NBA Finals. Just because YOU can't conceive how it can or would need to be done doesn't mean it's impossible to happen just because Dame is older than other "star" on the roster.
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Please shake hands. The match is done. You win.
 
HailBlazers said:
You can't be serious..
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Why couldn't that be true? Right now there is a lot of hope that he could be a really good player. 3-4 years from now it's possible that is proven be untrue. We've seen the story of unrealized potential unfold plenty of times.

It's hard to be really really good in the NBA. How a player handles being the #1 or #2 option on a scout it a tough thing to replicate.
 
RR7 said:
Chris Paul had an 11 year age gap on Booker, Bridges and Johnson, and a 13 year age gap on Ayton, and that team managed to make the NBA Finals. Just because YOU can't conceive how it can or would need to be done doesn't mean it's impossible to happen just because Dame is older than other "star" on the roster.
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I didn't say it was impossible... just that it made no sense.

It's obviously not impossible to win the lottery, but that doesn't mean buying lottery tickets makes sense.

That Suns team was a fluke, in terms of how far they made it and in terms of roster composition, but if you think that it's a smart approach for a franchise to dictate that the two untouchable players on your roster are 13 years apart, then go ahead. And get some lottery tickets while you're at it.
 
Rough game. If you were paying attention you knew it was coming. OKC took Sharpe out of his game. Great news is he adjusted at half time. Next game will be interesting to see how he attacks the defense
 
Mediocre Man said:
Rough game. If you were paying attention you knew it was coming. OKC took Sharpe out of his game. Great news is he adjusted at half time. Next game will be interesting to see how he attacks the defense
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It was cool to see Lillard mentoring him on how to attack those type of defense. It was nice to see Sharpe applied what he learned during the game. He was running out on the fast break to score. It was also the first time he seen this type of defense in his life especially against an elite nba defender in Herb Jones
 
Stevenson said:
?? Where do they pinch pennies? I don't mind ragging on Jody et al, but that really isn't true.
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Hoopsjock has detailed the many instances over the last few years in a handful of threads. I can't recall every example, but there were trades where we gave up a player and pick for money (Atlanta I believe), where we let TPE's expire, selling draft picks, not using our full MLE of BAE, and of course not having a developmental team.
 
Tince said:
Hoopsjock has detailed the many instances over the last few years in a handful of threads. I can't recall every example, but there were trades where we gave up a player and pick for money (Atlanta I believe), where we let TPE's expire, selling draft picks, not using our full MLE of BAE, and of course not having a developmental team.
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All of the cost savings moves done the past couple of years were done with the intent of staying under the LT so as to avoid starting the repeater penalties early. If people can’t understand that, they should really take the time to study the issue on Larry Coons’ CBA FAQ page. How anyone could conclude that the Blazers are cheap after giving Dame a monstrous extension, giving significant extensions to Simons and Nurk, and paying Grant with the intent of giving him a huge new contract, I’ll never understand.
 
e_blazer said:
All of the cost savings moves done the past couple of years were done with the intent of staying under the LT so as to avoid starting the repeater penalties early. If people can’t understand that, they should really take the time to study the issue on Larry Coons’ CBA FAQ page. How anyone could conclude that the Blazers are cheap after giving Dame a monstrous extension, giving significant extensions to Simons and Nurk, and paying Grant with the intent of giving him a huge new contract, I’ll never understand.
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would a cheap organization have brought in a ridiculous Bigfoot mascot?
 
e_blazer said:
All of the cost savings moves done the past couple of years were done with the intent of staying under the LT so as to avoid starting the repeater penalties early. If people can’t understand that, they should really take the time to study the issue on Larry Coons’ CBA FAQ page. How anyone could conclude that the Blazers are cheap after giving Dame a monstrous extension, giving significant extensions to Simons and Nurk, and paying Grant with the intent of giving him a huge new contract, I’ll never understand.
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As someone who does have an understanding of the CBA: How does not having a G-League team keep them under the LT? How does not having a GM search and hiring one on the cheap, impact the LT? Same question about the president. Same question about the coach.

If Jody's #1 goal is to stay under the tax, then she's been doing a bang up job. Maybe we should hang a banner for all those under the tax years.
 
wizenheimer said:
would a cheap organization have brought in a ridiculous Bigfoot mascot?
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It's funny you bring that up, as I was talking to my buddy about that at the game last night while he was walking around. He said, "I can just picture the FO meeting where they're talking about the poor attendence, apathy, and overall disinterest. Then when asked what they can do to turn it around without having to invest much, someone said 'Let's have a second mascot, that'll be cheap and certainly do the trick.' and then somehow multiple people agreed."

I laughed because it was ridiculous... kinda.
 
Tince said:
It's funny you bring that up, as I was talking to my buddy about that at the game last night while he was walking around. He said, "I can just picture the FO meeting where they're talking about the poor attendence, apathy, and overall disinterest. Then when asked what they can do to turn it around without having to invest much, someone said 'Let's have a second mascot, that'll be cheap and certainly do the trick.' and then somehow multiple people agreed."

I laughed because it was ridiculous... kinda.
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Is it poor attendance? They're at 96% according to ESPN (and if you say they fake those #'s, that'd be true of every team).
 
Tince said:
As someone who does have an understanding of the CBA: How does not having a G-League team keep them under the LT? How does not having a GM search and hiring one on the cheap, impact the LT? Same question about the president. Same question about the coach.

If Jody's #1 goal is to stay under the tax, then she's been doing a bang up job. Maybe we should hang a banner for all those under the tax years.
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The G League team is a point for your argument. Cronin’s hiring I would chalk up to a belief in Joe based on his long record with the team. It also fits with the notion that he’s a placeholder until the team is sold. Take your pick, I don’t think it says much about Jody being cheap.

The Blazers will have the full non-taxpayer MLE available to them this summer as a result of staying under the LT. If they don’t use that to add a quality player, then the whole argument about the value of having stayed under the LT fizzles. Feel free to rub my nose in it if that happens.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
So if the Blazers get the #1 overall pick you'd trade Simon's, Sharpe, Nurk, Little, Watford, #1 overall (Wemba), four future firsts unprotected, 3 unprotected pick swaps, all for Embiid?

I don't know Embiid Dame and attempted resigning Grant with a roster of scrubs could contend. Embiid and Dame have age and injury concerns long term. It would be a hell of a trio, but has a hell of a lot of risk.
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I don't think Embiid is worth that much but again, if the goal is winning a title and especially winning one with Dame (like so many around here can't see past) than yes you add in Sharpe if that's the difference in getting an MVP level player.
 
wizenheimer said:
would a cheap organization have brought in a ridiculous Bigfoot mascot?
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Case closed!

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julius said:
Is it poor attendance? They're at 96% according to ESPN (and if you say they fake those #'s, that'd be true of every team).
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I was at the game. If it was 96% full, then about 8000 people were weaing camouflage to look exactly like empty seats.
 
e_blazer said:
The G League team is a point for your argument. Cronin’s hiring I would chalk up to a belief in Joe based on his long record with the team. It also fits with the notion that he’s a placeholder until the team is sold. Take your pick, I don’t think it says much about Jody being cheap.

The Blazers will have the full non-taxpayer MLE available to them this summer as a result of staying under the LT. If they don’t use that to add a quality player, then the whole argument about the value of having stayed under the LT fizzles. Feel free to rub my nose in it if that happens.
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To your point, we're all guessing as to why Cronin was the choice. It was reported that nobody else was even interviewed for the job. To me, hiring an internal candidate, with no experience, when your star candidate is in his prime, without even doing a search elsewhere, screams of a cost savings exercise. Same for the president. Same for the coach. It's a pattern.

Your point that she's making moves based on selling the franchise would also be an indicator that she is looking to maximize the bottom line more than she's concerned about winning.

Signing All-NBA players to max deals also isn't a sign of big spending, it's a sign of someone who realized the stars are who bring in the majority of the revenue.
 
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Tince said:
To your point, we're all guessing as to why Cronin was the choice. It was reported that nobody else was even interviewed for the job. To me, hiring an internal candidate, with no experience, when your star candidate is in his prime, without even doing a search elsewhere, screams of a cost savings exercise. Same for the president. Same for the coach. It's a pattern.

Your point that she's making moves based on the sell of the franchise would also be an indicator that she is looking to maximize the bottom line more than she's concerned about winning.
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What is the salary situation in Memphis and Sacramento, compared to the LA Clippers?
Are the Clippers trying to win more than Memphis and Sacramento?
Are Memphis and Sacramento looking to sell their teams? Their team salaries are lower than Portland's, and much lower than the Clippers'.
I don't see the correlation.
In the Western Conference:
Denver is in 1st place. Their team salary is 8th.
Memphis is in 2nd place. Their team salary is 26th.
Sacramento is in 3rd place. Their team salary is 24th.
 
blazerfan11 said:
What is the salary situation in Memphis and Sacramento, compared to the LA Clippers?
Are the Clippers trying to win more than Memphis and Sacramento?
Are Memphis and Sacramento looking to sell their teams? Their team salaries are lower than Portland's, and much lower than the Clippers'.
I don't see the correlation.
In the Western Conference:
Denver is in 1st place. Their team salary is 8th.
Memphis is in 2nd place. Their team salary is 26th.
Sacramento is in 3rd place. Their team salary is 24th.
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If I said that the teams who spend the most are trying harder to win, then I mispoke. Though I don't believe I even brought that up.

I pointed out that there have been a handful of moves made within the organization over the last 3 years that indicate they are more concerned about cost-savings than they are maximizing the opportunity to win. When you are not fully invested in player development (G-League), player evaluation (GM), on court production (coaching), and roster maximization (use of exceptions), that combination makes me believe Portland isn't as committed to putting the best product on the floor as say the LA Clippers.

Now, can you just spend wrecklessly and automatically be the team in the NBA? Of course not. If I had to pick which franchise is more committed to winning between the LA Clippers and the Blazers, I would pick the Clippers in a heartbeat.

Also, note that Memphis has the benefit of having Ja on his rookie contract. They will not be the 21st (you said 26th for some reason) in salary next year. Sacramento 20th (not 24th) also has the benefit of multiple lottery picks still on rookie deals, and they went out an added an all-star last season.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/
 
When Dame gets a $100 million 2-year extension when he's 34 years old, this org. is not "pinching pennies."
 
blazerfan11 said:
What is the salary situation in Memphis and Sacramento, compared to the LA Clippers?
Are the Clippers trying to win more than Memphis and Sacramento?
Are Memphis and Sacramento looking to sell their teams? Their team salaries are lower than Portland's, and much lower than the Clippers'.
I don't see the correlation.
In the Western Conference:
Denver is in 1st place. Their team salary is 8th.
Memphis is in 2nd place. Their team salary is 26th.
Sacramento is in 3rd place. Their team salary is 24th.
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And since you brought up not seeing correlation between spending money and winning, using 3 cherry-picked teams in one season to back up your point, I thought I'd dig a little and see if there was actually correlation. When looking at all teams, over a 10 year period, there was a strong correlation between spending and winning. Do you see it now?

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Tince said:
To your point, we're all guessing as to why Cronin was the choice. It was reported that nobody else was even interviewed for the job. To me, hiring an internal candidate, with no experience, when your star candidate is in his prime, without even doing a search elsewhere, screams of a cost savings exercise. Same for the president. Same for the coach. It's a pattern.

Your point that she's making moves based on selling the franchise would also be an indicator that she is looking to maximize the bottom line more than she's concerned about winning.

Signing All-NBA players to max deals also isn't a sign of big spending, it's a sign of someone who realized the stars are who bring in the majority of the revenue.
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You overlooked my main point. The truth about whether the refusal to go into the LT this year was due to frugality or instead to maintain maximum flexibility to improve the team this summer will be revealed in how the Blazers use their assets this summer. Until then, we all have our opinions, but the team’s actions next summer will speak much more accurately than our springtime suppositions.
 
Last night is exactly why I have this .005% doubt of Sharpe being elite. Last night Pelicans fronted Sharpe the 1st 3 quarters and Sharpe was content to stand around. Does he have that fire that makes players like Kobe, MJ, and and Dame special? They might have bad games but they give max effort at all times and they take tough challenges like last nights defense as an opportunity to prove something.

Please don’t take this wrong I’m not ripping on him he’s a kid and will have to learn. But if there is any red flags for me with this kid that would be one.
 
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