Do you believe in Heaven and Hell? (1 Viewer)

[ABM]

what about a denomination that embraces homosexuality? is that "god's church"?

I think many "churches" contain parishioners that, both, have a personal relationship with Christ, as well as those that don't. Only God can see the heart, though. Within that is the crux of it all.

 

[crowTrobot]

The closer you are with god, the easier it is to know right from wrong.

apparently not since christians believe all kinds of different things about what is right and wrong.

 

[magnifier661]

what about a denomination that embraces homosexuality? is that "god's church"?

I don't like church which makes me a little weird. I read the bible and pray to god everyday. Man runs church, so any denomination isn't perfect. I'm not against church. I think it's right for certain people. So if that church endorses homosexuality, it's between them and god. Just as much as another church embraces people with money and power.

 

[magnifier661]

apparently not since christians believe all kinds of different things about what is right and wrong.

I don't know why you are ignoring my point. When I say the closer you are to god, the more you know what's right, is only for yourself. We aren't god and we cannot judge. It's between them and god.

 

[magnifier661]

Homosexuality "is" a sin. I'm guessing here, but Mags may be saying whether (or not) they get ultimately get right with God (through repentance in Christ) is not his place to judge.

Yes

 

[ABM]

Man runs church.

Not God's church, though. Sure, there are a lot of "religions", "denominations", and "man-made" stuff out there. I've left some "churches" because i didn't think what they were teaching stood up to the Scriptures. Sadly, there are plenty of churches out there that are out for themselves (mankind in control). The good news is, there are also plenty that teach the Word of God and want to make disciples of Christ.

 

[magnifier661]

Okay maybe I'm a little different than most Christians, but I have a lot of gay friends. I also have a lot of friends that one might consider to be partiers. I have some that have hurt and murdered too. What they choose is on them. I won't ever be able to force them to do what I think is right or wrong, nor do I have the right to.

What I try to do is be a great friend. Someone that is always there for them. If that person wants to know my belief I try to witness, nonforcefully. I just try to live a life I think I should, and believe me, it's far from perfect.

 

[magnifier661]

Not God's church, though. Sure, there are a lot of "religions", "denominations", and "man-made" stuff out there. I've left some "churches" because i didn't think what they were teaching stood up to the Scriptures. Sadly, there are plenty of churches out there that are out for themselves (mankind in control). The good news is, there are also plenty that teach the Word of God and want to make disciples of Christ.

I don't doubt it one bit. Unfortunately I was let down by. Any churches. Very judge mental and tend push people away more than help.

 

[ABM]

Okay maybe I'm a little different than most Christians, but I have a lot of gay friends. I also have a lot of friends that one might consider to be partiers. I have some that have hurt and murdered too. What they choose is on them. I won't ever be able to force them to do what I think is right or wrong, nor do I have the right to.

What I try to do is be a great friend. Someone that is always there for them. If that person wants to know my belief I try to witness, nonforcefully. I just try to live a life I think I should, and believe me, it's far from perfect.

Unfortunately, in many cases, "religiosity" has gotten in between seekers and Christ, as well as creating its own demise. (see: Pharisees)

I love the things you have been saying here, Mags. Hope I can meet you some day.

 

[PapaG]

that's also nonsensical. you're judging them when you say homosexuality is a sin.

No, it's the Bible that says that it is a sin. For a minister's son, you must not have paid much attention to his services. I personally have no problem with who people choose to have sex with, but that doesn't mean I think Christians are morally inferior to my belief on that matter.

 

[magnifier661]

Unfortunately, in many cases, "religiosity" has gotten in between seekers and Christ, as well as creating its own demise. (see: Pharisees)

I love the things you have been saying here, Mags. Hope I can meet you some day.

Hey thanks man! Yeah I'm coming to PDX in march. I think it's the day we play okc. Sly is picking me up, so we can all hang out.

 

[crowTrobot]

When I say the closer you are to god, the more you know what's right, is only for yourself.

that makes no sense. what's right for you is right for everyone else, unless you are saying god plays favorites and applies different standards of what is sin for different people.

 

[magnifier661]

No, it's the Bible that says that it is a sin. For a minister's son, you must not have paid much attention to his services. I personally have no problem with who people choose to have sex with, but that doesn't mean I think Christians are morally inferior to my belief on that matter.

That's what creates the problem with religious debate. There are those that believe the bible is the true word of god, and others that think it's a book inspired by god and shouldn't be taken literally.

 

[ABM]

Hey thanks man! Yeah I'm coming to PDX in march. I think it's the day we play okc. Sly is picking me up, so we can all hang out.

I should plan the meet & greet around when you'll be here.

 

[PapaG]

Okay maybe I'm a little different than most Christians, but I have a lot of gay friends. I also have a lot of friends that one might consider to be partiers. I have some that have hurt and murdered too. What they choose is on them. I won't ever be able to force them to do what I think is right or wrong, nor do I have the right to.

What I try to do is be a great friend. Someone that is always there for them. If that person wants to know my belief I try to witness, nonforcefully. I just try to live a life I think I should, and believe me, it's far from perfect.

You're like me, except I don't have your faith. I accept people for what they are. I have friends from all walks of life. The common denominator in all of them is that they are very good people, IMO, and I enjoy their company. Other than this board, I don't waste my time on people who are overtly confrontational, or negative. Of course, that part of me also comes out on this board, and it's burned quite a few bridges in this community.

 

[crowTrobot]

No, it's the Bible that says that it is a sin.

and they're using the bible to judge. duh.

 

[magnifier661]

that makes no sense. what's right for you is right for everyone else, unless you are saying god plays favorites and applies different standards of what is sin for different people.

You aren't getting it man. No god isn't playing favorites. He speaks to us individually and he made us all with free will. Look at it in a parents perspective.

One child is constantly bring told no by his or her parent, yet the child refuses to obey. Another person is telling their child the same thing and the child listens. They are both the same command but one chooses to listen while the other doesn't. One would think the one that listen has a better communication with their parent. It works the same way.

 

[crowTrobot]

That's what creates the problem with religious debate. There are those that believe the bible is the true word of god, and others that think it's a book inspired by god and shouldn't be taken literally.

and those that say they believe it is the true word of god but don't take it literally, which is most.

 

[magnifier661]

I should plan the meet & greet around when you'll be here.

Cool!i hope people don't want to come just to kick my ass!

 

[ABM]

Other than this board, I don't waste my time on people who are overtly confrontational, or negative. Of course, that part of me also comes out on this board, and it's burned quite a few bridges in this community.

You've been a pussycat this past year.

 

[magnifier661]

and those that say they believe it is the true word of god but don't take it literally, which is most.

I believe it is 100% the word of god and I take it very literally.

 

[magnifier661]

You're like me, except I don't have your faith. I accept people for what they are. I have friends from all walks of life. The common denominator in all of them is that they are very good people, IMO, and I enjoy their company. Other than this board, I don't waste my time on people who are overtly confrontational, or negative. Of course, that part of me also comes out on this board, and it's burned quite a few bridges in this community.

Ive always liked u, so I don't give a crap what other people think. Cool that we share the same values on people's walk of life.

 

[ABM]

Cool!i hope people don't want to come just to kick my ass!

We won't. So long as it's not plowing with an ox.

 

[magnifier661]

We won't. So long as it's not plowing with an ox.

Lmao!

 

[crowTrobot]

You aren't getting it man.

i am, i'm just trying to point out logical flaws in your reasoning.

One child is constantly bring told no by his or her parent, yet the child refuses to obey. Another person is telling their child the same thing and the child listens. They are both the same command but one chooses to listen while the other doesn't. One would think the one that listen has a better communication with their parent. It works the same way.

and you're judging the child that doesn't listen.

 

[PapaG]

and they're using the bible to judge. duh.

Well, I suppose some are doing this. What about those who aren't Christians, or religious at all, but are anti-gay?

Duh

 

[PapaG]

You've been a pussycat this past year.

I know. I kind of like it. I'm getting old(er), and am mostly interested in positive endeavors these days. Perhaps I lost my fastball, but I replaced it with a decent change-up.

 

[magnifier661]

i am, i'm just trying to point out logical flaws in your reasoning.



and you're judging the child that doesn't listen.

Wow.... You haven't explained a damn thing that supports me judging. And you are trying to twist my example of me judging a parent. No, I am saying both parents believe the same thing is wrong, but one was able to communicate that wrong to the child, while the other couldn't. That's called miscommunication. Not judging.

It looks like u are just trying to be argumentative and won't have an open mind on anyone that disagrees with you. What are u expecting to accomplish?

 

[PapaG]

i am, i'm just trying to point out logical flaws in your reasoning.

At some point, you're going to understand that logic and faith aren't related, right? I sure hope you get at least that out of this thread.

 

[PapaG]

Wow.... You haven't explained a damn thing that supports me judging. And you are trying to twist my example of me judging a parent. No, I am saying both parents believe the same thing is wrong, but one was able to communicate that wrong to the child, while the other couldn't. That's called miscommunication. Not judging.

It looks like u are just trying to be argumentative and won't have an open mind on anyone that disagrees with you. What are u expecting to accomplish?

Just relax, Mags. There are faithless people like me who understand that what faith is, and don't judge it. I'm envious of it at times.