Do you have a belief in supernatural that isn't god?

[Eastoff]

Just curious if anyone believes in ghosts, aliens, bigfoot, shadow people, et cetera? Bonus if you do, are you christian or not christian?

 

[Eastoff]

I'll start saying I'm an atheist, but I still get nervous around ghostly situations and know it's irrational. I think there is extra terrestrial life, but not the kind that visits us. that's about it for me!

 

[jlprk]

There is more than the 3-dimensional physical universe. I can speculate about higher dimensions, and I have plenty of ideas, but I'm content to let the scientific method take centuries or more to pull out the truth. In contrast, religion demands firm answers now, and pretends its speculations are incontrovertible.

 

[drexlersdad]

i think the reptilian alien overlords could be real

what are shadow people? sounds racist

 

[Eastoff]

i think the reptilian alien overlords could be real

what are shadow people? sounds racist

basically ghosts, but only shadows and they have red eyes. I prefer the idea that the reptilian overlords are descendants of dinosaurs.

 

[crowTrobot]

i think the reptilian alien overlords could be real

that would be gorntastic

 

[drexlersdad]

i have felt the presence of ghosts before, but i could have just been a cool breeze

 

[crowTrobot]

There is more than the 3-dimensional physical universe. I can speculate about higher dimensions, and I have plenty of ideas, but I'm content to let the scientific method take centuries or more to pull out the truth.

just nerding it up here, but higher spatial dimensions if they exist would also be part of our physical universe

 

[jlprk]

Naah, physical means space-time. Dimensions above that, I speculate are mental or spiritual. The brain is the physical antenna perceiving them. A 1-D line, viewed edge-on, gives an illusion of being 0-D. Similarly, a 3-D space viewed obliquely in a higher dimension might be seen as a 0-D point. The Theory of Relativity is all about your frame of reference determining your reality. On and on for a 10-hour trip. Okay, there's your tiny sample of what an acid trip's like.

 

[Further]

Just curious if anyone believes in ghosts, aliens, bigfoot, shadow people, et cetera? Bonus if you do, are you christian or not christian?

Ghosts, no
Shadow people, no fucking clue

Bigfoot, most likely not around currently but I did used to exist according to fossil record as little as 100,000 years ago as the Gigantopithecus blacki. Since fossil record is incomplete, I find it plausible that it existed more recently as some who study cave paintings theorize, around 13,000 years ago. I do find it possible but not likely some large undiscovered bipedal ape is out there.

Aliens - I have no idea, but considering how little of the universe we have seen, I think it's more likely that there does exist life elsewhere that we are unique.

Flying mystic penises, I believe in them completely.

Angels, fuck to the no.

 

[ABM]

yep.

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. ~Ephesians 6:12

 

[jlprk]

Anything you can imagine exists in the mental world, because imagination consists of perceiving that higher-D world, full of its own weird 3-D spaces. Alternate histories, dragons, abodes of the afterlife...the whole works will slowly be deciphered by science. Meanwhile I go to the lonely cemetery to talk to my parents.

 

[speeds]

Aliens. Wouldn't classify them as supernatural.

Not religious.

 

[crowTrobot]

Naah, physical means space-time. Dimensions above that, I speculate are mental or spiritual. The brain is the physical antenna perceiving them. A 1-D line, viewed edge-on, gives an illusion of being 0-D. Similarly, a 3-D space viewed obliquely in a higher dimension might be seen as a 0-D point. The Theory of Relativity is all about your frame of reference determining your reality. On and on for a 10-hour trip. Okay, there's your tiny sample of what an acid trip's like.

an acid trip makes you spout of bunch of unscientific incoherent nonsense?

sounds like fun! count me in.

 

[crowTrobot]

Anything you can imagine exists in the mental world, because imagination consists of perceiving that higher-D world, full of its own weird 3-D spaces. Alternate histories, dragons, abodes of the afterlife...the whole works will slowly be deciphered by science. Meanwhile I go to the lonely cemetery to talk to my parents.

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[VanillaGorilla]

Aliens. Wouldn't classify them as supernatural.

Not religious.

Same here.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

angels- yes

ghosts- not yet

bigfoot- not yet

aliens- on the fence

 

[ABM]

aliens- on the fence

Er, wait....

 

[TripTango]

Er, wait...

Have those photos been confirmed? They look photoshopped to me.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Er, wait....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[jlprk]

I recognize the border at Blaine when I see it.

 

[crandc]

Actually the universe is four dimensions (at least) - proponents of string theory say many more but that is unproven.

Short answer, no. Of course there are the things that go bump in the night, so to speak, that make me nervous but I recognize it is just older parts of the brain playing tricks. There are things that are not known but all that means is they are not known; it was not until the 1930s that we knew why the sun and stars are hot. Doesn't mean it was some mystical something and certainly doesn't meant they were cold; we just did not have the information. Currently we do not know if there is life on other planets (probably but still no evidence), what dark matter/dark energy actually is, whether there is extinct life that was not DNA/RNA based, how Neanderthals became extinct - although not entirely since Asians and Europeans carry, on average, about 2% Neanderthal DNA. And a ton more.

But no evidence any of those unknowns cannot be explained materially.

Oh yes, not Christian. Jewish by culture and tradition but I "made my decision for atheism" at 13 and never wavered. Won't until I see some evidence for the god hypothesis.

 

[magnifier661]

an acid trip makes you spout of bunch of unscientific incoherent nonsense?

sounds like fun! count me in.

Seriously, it's insane man! You see things that are so far fetched, you forget you are even tripping.

 

[magnifier661]

I ain't afraid of no ghost!

 

[jlprk]

Actually the universe is four dimensions (at least) - proponents of string theory say many more but that is unproven.

No, you can't say that first sentence as a fact. It's just a theory. Not only is it unproven (= lots of evidence but not enough), but there is zero evidence, by science's standards.

But I think it's what's coming up as the big wave in the next couple of centuries. Higher dimensions can explain what religious people (and any other imaginations, too) are perceiving. There is a lot of nonphysical existence out there that is currently beyond science, but science will slowly capture it. As I said, I'm content to wait for science instead of pretending to know it all, as the religious do.

Maybe before I die I'll edit the 2000 pages of ideas about higher dimensions I wrote in the early 70s after my acid trips and make it understandable. Yeah, right. That would take years. Let someone else do the work someday and get the credit.

 

[crowTrobot]

No, you can't say that first sentence as a fact. It's just a theory.

i'm sure cran was referring to time as the fourth dimension as in GR. otherwise you are correct, higher spatial dimensions are just theoretical at the moment.

some physicists think there might even be more than one time dimension. try picturing that if you want to simulate an acid trip.

 

[crowTrobot]

But I think it's what's coming up as the big wave in the next couple of centuries. Higher dimensions can explain what religious people (and any other imaginations, too) are perceiving. There is a lot of nonphysical existence out there that is currently beyond science, but science will slowly capture it. As I said, I'm content to wait for science instead of pretending to know it all, as the religious do.

higher spatial dimensions than 3 if they exist would just be a feature of our physical universe - something we exist in already, but that we haven't evolved to notice. a fourth spatial dimension would not be a different 'place'.

a 'non-physical' realm (if that is even a coherent concept) would have to be something entirely different having nothing to do with higher spatial dimensions.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The word “nerd” was actually invented by Dr. Suess.

 

[jlprk]

some physicists think there might even be more than one time dimension. try picturing that if you want to simulate an acid trip.

If you think about it as I did in the past, you will quickly see that each dimension swims in the next higher dimension. Relative to each nth dimensional frame of reference, its "time" is the (n+1)th dimension. So yes, there are many.

higher spatial dimensions than 3 if they exist would just be a feature of our physical universe - something we exist in already, but that we haven't evolved to notice. a fourth spatial dimension would not be a different 'place'.

Just as there are an infinite number of 0D points in a 1D line, 1D lines in a 2D plane, 2D planes in a 3D space, and 3D spaces in a 4th D, there are many 4D superspaces in the 5th D. Our 3D space is in only one of those 4D entities, not all. So most 4D entities are indeed a different place from where our 3D space will ever be.

a 'non-physical' realm (if that is even a coherent concept) would have to be something entirely different having nothing to do with higher spatial dimensions.

The definition of physical as meaning 3 dimensions is pretty standard. As in, "Basketball takes its toll, mentally and physically." Physical means the corporeal body, as opposed to the mental, spiritual, and imaginative dimensions.

I won't get into what I think the 4 forces of physics (electromagnetism, gravitation, weak and strong nuclear forces) are. It's not what people would call "physical."

 

[PapaG]

My wife and I both saw what was a "UFO" in 1999 while driving at night through Rice Hill on our way to Ashland. Thing was hovering over the interstate, then sped off and 'crashed' into a mountain, although there was no explosion. We both thought it was a plane crash.