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Is the NBA a fair game?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 15.7%

  • No

    Votes: 35 68.6%

  • Not Sure

    Votes: 8 15.7%
  • Total voters
    51
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
As far as last night goes, the better team won. As far as this season goes, we're playing with house money and have no real reason to complain. However.......I have felt for many years....and have said so in this forum....that the NBA has turned into the basketball version of the WWF, and it all started with David Stern. It's all about the ratings and merchandise sales. The deck is stacked against the small market teams unless they either stumble into a genuine superstar (and can hold on to him) or they find and maintain a winning formula/culture as the Spurs did. I don't believe it's even open for argument for a second. I look back to 1991 finals against the Bulls as a prime example. Small market teams don't draw TV ratings unless they have an LBJ or Durant. It's okay if they get an occasional seat at the table, but God forbid that they get to the Finals. The "fans" won't stand for that and revenues suffer.

I'm still not sure yet if the refs are following league "guidance" or if they have their own agenda, but the quality of reffing (and the influence of individual referee biases) has reached the point of ridiculous. I don't care how fast paced the game might be, or how making the calls might slow down the game, referee influence/bias on the game is usually obvious by the middle of the second quarter and it seldom changes as the game goes on. And I usually end up feeling like I'm watching a carefully orchestrated script rather than an actual basketball game.

As TBPup pointed out, it's a business, not a game and I don't expect it to change in my lifetime. Nate hit this one solidly on the head. I have been a hardcore Blazer fan since 1970 but I've gotten so jaded that I wonder why I still care. Most days I'd rather watch a baseball game, if for no other reason than its a lot more difficult to jigger the results.....
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It seems to me that umpires care a lot more about the honor and tradition of the sport, as well.

I just hate the arrogance that NBA refs seem to carry.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Clips are the more talented team and could win the series fair-and-square. So why the hell do the refs feel the need to tilt the playing field ?
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That's always been my biggest issue with the best players in the league - why, of all people, is LBJ allowed to travel? He doesn't need the extra help! Let Aminu travel - he's the one who needs some assistance to level the playing field, rather than further tipping it in the dominant player's advantage.
 
Small market teams are definitely underdogs unless they stumble on a coach like Pops or draft a player like Lillard. I wouldn't single the NBA out as any different from most sports and probably better than others when it comes to officiating. Boxing and Figure Skating are two of the worst. Marvin Haggler beat Sugar Ray Leonard fair and square and the decision to favor Sugar Ray took the undefeated record from Marvin...he retired afterwards and never boxed again. What we deal with in the NBA is nothing like baseballs strike zone or safe/out calls.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Can we please not be one of those fanbases.

The better team won last night.
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Be one ofwhat fan bases? Yes, We LOST the game last night, but if you didnt see some blatant favoring to the Clips by the refs, then you are blind. SO wehen we DO play a better game and are in it at the end, the refs will have the end say on who pulls the game out. Yes, we will be one of those fan basess that calls out the blatant BS the refs do. Are you serious? You dont think its valid to point out hot AMinu was in bounds but Griffin points to his shoe and says its out and so the ref calls it?
Your joking right?
Listen, I'm not one about complaining or even like listening to it, but there is a huge difference between whats valid complaining and whats invalid. Evereything Nate said in my opinion is 100% valid, and I think he left a few things out.

yuyuza1 said:
Seriously, this thread reads like Clutchfans.
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There are like 10 or so posts on here when you posted that...???? your also kidding right? For someone who has been more than negative regarding the team overall, now its disingenuous to complain about blatant bad referring? biased refereeing? Get outa here with that....

Natebishop3 said:
Clutchfans..... they complain about the refs while harden is shooting 25 free throws in a game. They bitch about their team while they're making a run to the WCF. How is this the same thing? When was the last time that you saw the Blazers on the receiving end of a game where the refs just completely job the other team all night? Can you even think of one game?
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Thank you........
 
JFizzleRaider said:
It still gives off the Woe is me not being a selected franchise vibe. I hate going to other teams forums and thinking "damn, these guys are homers complaining about everything."
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Really? Complaining about something like this is a "woe is me" attitude?


http://www.blazersedge.com/2016/4/17/11449414/nba-playoffs-video-blake-griffin-bad-call


Again... get out of here with that BS. This should be taken to the tops of the league as how biased the refs are and how they don't do their own job and allow star players to completely manipulate their whistle blowing.

This is about as wrong as it gets.....
 
A homework lesson. Go watch another teams game, and make an honest opinion of the officiating. Then go to that teams forum and read how many fans are saying they were jobbed by refs (even if you, an unbiased spectator watched and thought the team got all the "helpful" calls)

You see things through rose colored glasses a lot of times watching your own team play.


Orion Bailey said:
Really? Complaining about something like this is a "woe is me" attitude?


http://www.blazersedge.com/2016/4/17/11449414/nba-playoffs-video-blake-griffin-bad-call


Again... get out of here with that BS. This should be taken to the tops of the league as how biased the refs are and how they don't do their own job and allow star players to completely manipulate their whistle blowing.

This is about as wrong as it gets.....
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Orion your homer is showing bro.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
A homework lesson. Go watch another teams game, and make an honest opinion of the officiating. Then go to that teams forum and read how many fans are saying they were jobbed by refs (even if you, an unbiased spectator watched and thought the team got all the "helpful" calls)

You see things through rose colored glasses a lot of times watching your own team play.



Orion your homer is showing bro.
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If you think that link I posted is homerism, then I think you have very little common sense in this facet. Are you saying Aminu was in bounds? Are you saying the ref was correct about blowing the whistle because Griffin said so? Are you saying it isn't right for us, as fans, to point this out because we are biased?

I wear my homerism with pride... were in the playoffs.. but please make sure you address homerism with validity....

That's your homework lesson... explain yourself by answering my questions.
 
The NBA is so far from unbiased I think you'd need to be completely blind to think/see otherwise. The NBA and the Blazers were my first love of any sport and it wasn't even close. But the older I get and the more I've watched, the less maniacal I get over the NBA and the Blazers. It's hard to put that much emotion and faith in to something that is teetering on the edge of being the next WWE. Because of this I have become a much bigger NFL fan over the course of the last 10 years. But.....Go Blazers. I keep a shred of faith that they can overcome the biases of the NBA machine (like they did vs Houston). It's going to take a lot of magic. But it's possible. I'm just no longer holding my breath.
 
Orion Bailey said:
If you think that link I posted is homerism, then I think you have very little common sense in this facet. Are you saying Aminu was in bounds? Are you saying the ref was correct about blowing the whistle because Griffin said so? Are you saying it isn't right for us, as fans, to point this out because we are biased?

I wear my homerism with pride... were in the playoffs.. but please make sure you address homerism with validity....

That's your homework lesson... explain yourself by answering my questions.
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I didn't even look at your article. There are some plays that are called incorrectly through a game. It happens. But when we get thumped by a team better than us, the last thing I want to read is people bitching about refs.

Come on bro, we were throttled by 20. Just stop.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
I didn't even look at your article. There are some plays that are called incorrectly through a game. It happens. But when we get thumped by a team better than us, the last thing I want to read is people bitching about refs.

Come on bro, we were throttled by 20. Just stop.
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There you go.. Your commenting on something you didn't even know what I was saying.. Please go open the link first before assuming you know what i'm talking about.
Again, its been pointed out that the Blazers lost the game by many, but is that the end all and we shouldn't dissect it to find areas to improve? One of which would be holding the refs to fair play calling? No this wouldn't have one us the game, but could and probably was one of many contributors. I mean that's a straight up turnover I posted in my link Given to us by the refs.
So before you get all better than thou on those of us complaining, I would suggest you at least read the links and what not of the posts you are telling people to stop with....
 
Orion Bailey said:
There you go.. Your commenting on something you didn't even know what I was saying.. Please go open the link first before assuming you know what i'm talking about.
Again, its been pointed out that the Blazers lost the game by many, but is that the end all and we shouldn't dissect it to find areas to improve? One of which would be holding the refs to fair play calling? No this wouldn't have one us the game, but could and probably was one of many contributors. I mean that's a straight up turnover I posted in my link Given to us by the refs.
So before you get all better than thou on those of us complaining, I would suggest you at least read the links and what not of the posts you are telling people to stop with....
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How ironic that you're saying that to me Mr bailey. I remember a certain poster getting super butthurt over those of us wanting to dissect why we lost a couple games when we had our good months this year.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
How ironic that you're saying that to me Mr bailey. I remember a certain poster getting super butthurt over those of us wanting to dissect why we lost a couple games when we had our good months this year.
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That's why Im bringing it up. I clearly recall apologizing and making a point to say I was wrong and didn't mean to direct one's posts? But see. I read the posts I disagreed with. Your disagreeing with me based of of a reason without even knowing what I posted... pretty lame....

Plus, those conversations were MUCH different than this one and or this thread, but if you want to compare apples to oranges to help yourself sound better on your argument, while admitting you didn't even read the opposing arguments side, I guess that's your right... carry on....
 
Orion Bailey said:
That's why Im bringing it up. I clearly recall apologizing and making a point to say I was wrong and didn't mean to direct one's posts? But see. I read the posts I disagreed with. Your disagreeing with me based of of a reason without even knowing what I posted... pretty lame....

Plus, those conversations were MUCH different than this one and or this thread, but if you want to compare apples to oranges to help yourself sound better on your argument, while admitting you didn't even read the opposing arguments side, I guess that's your right... carry on....
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There is no ref argument when you get thumped by 20 points. We have no answers for jordan or Griffin. Cp3 has dames number.

Imo it just seems petty to complain about the refs and biases after getting whooped.
Agree to disagree I guess.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
There is no ref argument when you get thumped by 20 points. We have no answers for jordan or Griffin. Cp3 has dames number.

Imo it just seems petty to complain about the refs and biases after getting whooped.
Agree to disagree I guess.
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Or open the link and know what your talking about regarding complaining before you say its petty? That's ignorant IMO...
 
JFizzleRaider said:
There is no ref argument when you get thumped by 20 points. We have no answers for jordan or Griffin. Cp3 has dames number.

Imo it just seems petty to complain about the refs and biases after getting whooped.
Agree to disagree I guess.
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The refs set the tone for the game early on. When they let LAC body and foul without a call in the first half, but don't reciprocate on the other end, it's going to affect how your team plays. Especially a young team with a lot of guys who have never been there. The Blazers looked shell shocked, and the Clips looked calm and confident. Having the refs bend you over in the first half is going to kill your confidence as a young team that has never been there before.
 
Also... there aren't 15 threads about how the refs suck like there were about the Blazers.. apples to oranges...
 
Orion Bailey said:
Or open the link and know what your talking about regarding complaining before you say its petty? That's ignorant IMO...
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I dont have to read the link. I remember the play. I don't go to blazersedge.com because I hate that website. But I'll click on it just for you.

Looked at it and still don't care. We got whooped by 20. Complaining about the refs is such a losers mentality.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
I dont have to read the link. I remember the play. I don't go to blazersedge.com because I hate that website. But I'll click on it just for you.

Looked at it and still don't care. We got whooped by 20. Complaining about the refs is such a losers mentality.
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If you were playing in a game, and the refs were completely screwing your team over, how long would you play hard before you became apathetic?
 
Jfizzle just needs anther thread to hang out in...this ones obviously not for him.. you know.. Common sense referring with an unbiased mentality. These are things that don't register with Jfizzle.

If we would have won by 20, I would still bring up the out of bounds call because it was atrocious, and to say its a loser's mentality to bring it up, is a bunch of crap.

Your a moderator?
 
Results of this poll are completely surprising to me. I voted "fair."

I'm also watching every other playoff series, and have largely not noticed the refs in Game 1s so far.

Where's all this vitriol coming from? Our one game 1 where CP was allowed to be physical and refs got a few calls wrong?
 
yuyuza1 said:
Results of this poll are completely surprising to me. I voted "fair."

I'm also watching every other playoff series, and have largely not noticed the refs in Game 1s so far.

Where's all this vitriol coming from? Our one game 1 where CP was allowed to be physical and refs got a few calls wrong?
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It comes from the simple eye test of watching games over the years. Not just last nights game and not just game one. It's rampant in many facets...
 
I agree that final score doesn't mean bad/biased officiating is irrelevant. If the officiating is bad, you can legitimately complain about it whether you lost by 20 or by 1.

However, fans will never be a good, objective source on officiating. It's not that fans are specifically trying to spin; while some people are like that, that's not the majority of the issue. The reality is that the human brain has to interpret what it sees and biases affect that interpretation. It would be futile to claim that you'd see two borderline occurrences the same way if Lillard were the one being called for the foul or the one being fouled. In nearly every case, you won't, because you're predisposed to giving Lillard the benefit of the doubt over an opposing player. Even for non-borderline calls, you're far, far more likely to remember the ones that went against your team, for the injustice that you keenly felt, as opposed to the ones that went for your team. Even if you noticed it at the time, it's a "shrug, stuff happens to everyone" when it's beneficial, and "damn it, these officials are screwing us over" when it's not. I've (literally, no exaggeration) never seen fans up in arms over a bad call that went in their favor. That's not to say I've never seen fans notice one...but they're more likely to justify it, laugh it off or claim it happens to everyone. Outrage is never the reaction, for obvious reasons.

If you look at forums for other fanbases, you'll probably notice how much they complain about referees. It's pretty much a fixture of any game thread when the fans' team loses and sometimes even when they win. It's true for fans of good teams and bad teams, large market teams and small market teams. Regardless of who you root for, officiating is never something you feel is on your side. Because it probably isn't.
 
Minstrel said:
I agree that final score doesn't mean bad/biased officiating is irrelevant. If the officiating is bad, you can legitimately complain about it whether you lost by 20 or by 1.

However, fans will never be a good, objective source on officiating. It's not that fans are specifically trying to spin; while some people are like that, that's not the majority of the issue. The reality is that the human brain has to interpret what it sees and biases affect that interpretation. It would be futile to claim that you'd see two borderline occurrences the same way if Lillard were the one being called for the foul or the one being fouled. In nearly every case, you won't, because you're predisposed to giving Lillard the benefit of the doubt over an opposing player. Even for non-borderline calls, you're far, far more likely to remember the ones that went against your team, for the injustice that you keenly felt, as opposed to the ones that went for your team. Even if you noticed it at the time, it's a "shrug, stuff happens to everyone" when it's beneficial, and "damn it, these officials are screwing us over" when it's not. I've (literally, no exaggeration) never seen fans up in arms over a bad call that went in their favor. That's not to say I've never seen fans notice one...but they're more likely to justify it, laugh it off or claim it happens to everyone. Outrage is never the reaction, for obvious reasons.

If you look at forums for other fanbases, you'll probably notice how much they complain about referees. It's pretty much a fixture of any game thread when the fans' team loses and sometimes even when they win. It's true for fans of good teams and bad teams, large market teams and small market teams. Regardless of who you root for, officiating is never something you feel is on your side. Because it probably isn't.
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Minstrel we have missed you here. You've always had a way to put it way more eloquently than the rest of us. Hope you're doing well.
 
Minstrel said:
I agree that final score doesn't mean bad/biased officiating is irrelevant. If the officiating is bad, you can legitimately complain about it whether you lost by 20 or by 1.

However, fans will never be a good, objective source on officiating. It's not that fans are specifically trying to spin; while some people are like that, that's not the majority of the issue. The reality is that the human brain has to interpret what it sees and biases affect that interpretation. It would be futile to claim that you'd see two borderline occurrences the same way if Lillard were the one being called for the foul or the one being fouled. In nearly every case, you won't, because you're predisposed to giving Lillard the benefit of the doubt over an opposing player. Even for non-borderline calls, you're far, far more likely to remember the ones that went against your team, for the injustice that you keenly felt, as opposed to the ones that went for your team. Even if you noticed it at the time, it's a "shrug, stuff happens to everyone" when it's beneficial, and "damn it, these officials are screwing us over" when it's not. I've (literally, no exaggeration) never seen fans up in arms over a bad call that went in their favor. That's not to say I've never seen fans notice one...but they're more likely to justify it, laugh it off or claim it happens to everyone. Outrage is never the reaction, for obvious reasons.

If you look at forums for other fanbases, you'll probably notice how much they complain about referees. It's pretty much a fixture of any game thread when the fans' team loses and sometimes even when they win. It's true for fans of good teams and bad teams, large market teams and small market teams. Regardless of who you root for, officiating is never something you feel is on your side. Because it probably isn't.
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As much as I agreewith you, I think its only about 70% of the calls could be considered biased.

I'm sorry but the out of bounds call doesn't fit this and i'm sure any level headed fan of any team would say the ref screwed us by letting himself be manipulated by Griffin.

I actually agree with the bulk of Jfizzle regarding complaining, and there are plays that may not have been correct that we shouldn't be complaining about, but when I bring up something specific and am told its a losers mentality to bring it up/discuss it and its a ref being manipulated by a player... its black and white. I am sure the league would see it the same way too.

To say i'm a loser mentally because of this made me lose all cred for Jfizzle.
 
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