Forum Game Does one person's vaccine decision affect others?

[JoshuaHall]

2 more months of high risk to extreme risk for a Blazers game. Seems legit.

I just got my 2nd shot yesterday. I had 5g before it, I'm not microchipped, no Mark of the beast. What a letdown.

maybe I wasn’t clear

JUST OPEN IT ALL BACK UP

fuck the risk level bullshit

Full steam ahead, let’s go

I’m not vaxxed, won’t get vaxxed, and am “high at risk” or whatever

If I die, I die

lets goooooo

packkkk the houseeeeeeee!!! I’m willing to risk it!

come on dame tweet Kate again and let’s fill er up

 

[e_blazer]

maybe I wasn’t clear

JUST OPEN IT ALL BACK UP

fuck the risk level bullshit

Full steam ahead, let’s go

I’m not vaxxed, won’t get vaxxed, and am “high at risk” or whatever

If I die, I die

lets goooooo

packkkk the houseeeeeeee!!! I’m willing to risk it!

come on dame tweet Kate again and let’s fill er up

Must be nice to live in a world where your actions don't impact anyone else. Maybe I can visit sometime when the starship returns to pick you up.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

maybe I wasn’t clear

JUST OPEN IT ALL BACK UP

fuck the risk level bullshit

Full steam ahead, let’s go

I’m not vaxxed, won’t get vaxxed, and am “high at risk” or whatever

If I die, I die

lets goooooo

packkkk the houseeeeeeee!!! I’m willing to risk it!

come on dame tweet Kate again and let’s fill er up

I think there's a lot of validity to the notion that once everyone who wants a vaccine has had an opportunity to get one, then those who've declined should not be a concern.

 

[e_blazer]

I think there's a lot of validity to the notion that once everyone who wants a vaccine has had an opportunity to get one, then those who've declined should not be a concern.

That's not going to be the case for a while yet because vaccines are only now becoming available for kids 12-16 years of age. Ones for children younger than that won't be available until probably fall. I think that we're seeing numbers drop across the nation and are beginning to here in Oregon. I suspect that as the numbers get lower this summer, most of the restrictions are going to be lifted anyway. By next season, barring any new variants that crash the party, going to a Blazer game should be pretty much normal, in my estimation.

 

[JoshuaHall]

Must be nice to live in a world where your actions don't impact anyone else. Maybe I can visit sometime when the starship returns to pick you up.

I’m responsible for my actions; you’re responsible for your actions. I can only pass it to others who don’t have the vaccine, which, at this point is primarily people who don’t want it.

If you’re vaccinated, what do you care?

I couldn’t give it to you if I had it because you’re vaccinated, right?

So if we packed the rose garden with people, both vaxxed and unvaxxed, what do you care? Only those of us who are unvaxxed should be bothered. And if you’re unvaxxed, and wish you were vaxxed, stay home. Should be happy to watch evolution wipe out us “non vaxxed” people. FWIW I’m not even anti vax.

The Vaccine works against variants supposedly; if you had children at home, being vaxxed means you can’t carry and pass it on, so you shouldn’t be worried about them either.

so who exactly am I worrying about? The other people who aren’t vaxxed like me — by choice?

Now if I was walking around India like a jackass that’d be different.

so if you can tell me who I’m supposed to worry about then sure, I’ll rethink getting vaxxed entirely. Just for u big guy

 

[JoshuaHall]

That's not going to be the case for a while yet because vaccines are only now becoming available for kids 12-16 years of age. Ones for children younger than that won't be available until probably fall. I think that we're seeing numbers drop across the nation and are beginning to here in Oregon. I suspect that as the numbers get lower this summer, most of the restrictions are going to be lifted anyway. By next season, barring any new variants that crash the party, going to a Blazer game should be pretty much normal, in my estimation.

here’s a thought

instead of keeping everything closed because 16 and under haven’t had the opportunity to be vaxxed yet

how about we let the parents and kids be responsible for their actions

If Timmy and his dad wanna go to a blazer game, they can make that decision themselves knowing the risks

or go to a restaurant

or a gym

or wherever

 

[THE HCP]

I’m responsible for my actions; you’re responsible for your actions. I can only pass it to others who don’t have the vaccine, which, at this point is primarily people who don’t want it.

If you’re vaccinated, what do you care?

I couldn’t give it to you if I had it because you’re vaccinated, right?

So if we packed the rose garden with people, both vaxxed and unvaxxed, what do you care? Only those of us who are unvaxxed should be bothered. And if you’re unvaxxed, and wish you were vaxxed, stay home. Should be happy to watch evolution wipe out us “non vaxxed” people. FWIW I’m not even anti vax.

The Vaccine works against variants supposedly; if you had children at home, being vaxxed means you can’t carry and pass it on, so you shouldn’t be worried about them either.

so who exactly am I worrying about? The other people who aren’t vaxxed like me — by choice?

Now if I was walking around India like a jackass that’d be different.

so if you can tell me who I’m supposed to worry about then sure, I’ll rethink getting vaxxed entirely. Just for u big guy

This mentality scares me. Do you have kids to pass this way thinking along to? Do you have any family whatsoever?

 

[Strenuus]

maybe I wasn’t clear

JUST OPEN IT ALL BACK UP

fuck the risk level bullshit

Full steam ahead, let’s go

I’m not vaxxed, won’t get vaxxed, and am “high at risk” or whatever

If I die, I die

lets goooooo

packkkk the houseeeeeeee!!! I’m willing to risk it!

come on dame tweet Kate again and let’s fill er up

Yikes. I'm just gonna leave this alone.

 

[Strenuus]

I think there's a lot of validity to the notion that once everyone who wants a vaccine has had an opportunity to get one, then those who've declined should not be a concern.

This is one of the best posts I have ever read, and I can tell you it's not for the reason you think.

This was a masterclass.

 

[e_blazer]

I’m responsible for my actions; you’re responsible for your actions. I can only pass it to others who don’t have the vaccine, which, at this point is primarily people who don’t want it.

If you’re vaccinated, what do you care?

I couldn’t give it to you if I had it because you’re vaccinated, right?

So if we packed the rose garden with people, both vaxxed and unvaxxed, what do you care? Only those of us who are unvaxxed should be bothered. And if you’re unvaxxed, and wish you were vaxxed, stay home. Should be happy to watch evolution wipe out us “non vaxxed” people. FWIW I’m not even anti vax.

The Vaccine works against variants supposedly; if you had children at home, being vaxxed means you can’t carry and pass it on, so you shouldn’t be worried about them either.

so who exactly am I worrying about? The other people who aren’t vaxxed like me — by choice?

Now if I was walking around India like a jackass that’d be different.

so if you can tell me who I’m supposed to worry about then sure, I’ll rethink getting vaxxed entirely. Just for u big guy

I care about more than myself. I care about the kid sitting in the row in front of me who hasn’t had the chance to get vaccinated yet. I care about the old lady sitting next to you who, while having been vaccinated, unknowingly is one of the 5-10% who can still get it because her immune system doesn’t work quite as well as most people’s.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

maybe I wasn’t clear

JUST OPEN IT ALL BACK UP

fuck the risk level bullshit

Full steam ahead, let’s go

I’m not vaxxed, won’t get vaxxed, and am “high at risk” or whatever

If I die, I die

lets goooooo

packkkk the houseeeeeeee!!! I’m willing to risk it!

come on dame tweet Kate again and let’s fill er up

I agree with opening up but “I’m not vaxxed, if I die, I die,” what if you don’t die but pass it on to someone else? I didn’t get vaccinated to save myself. It’s to save others and get back to life as we knew it. Your attitude is ignorant, selfish, and dangerous.

 

[Strenuus]

I agree with opening up but “I’m not vaxxed, if I die, I die,” what if you don’t die but pass it on to someone else. I didn’t get vaccinated to save myself. It’s to save others and get back to life as we knew it.

Preach!

 

[tester551]

I care about more than myself. I care about the kid sitting in the row in front of me who hasn’t had the chance to get vaccinated yet. I care about the old lady sitting next to you who, while having been vaccinated, unknowingly is one of the 5-10% who can still get it because her immune system doesn’t work quite as well as most people’s.

Way to virtue signal here!
Just because @JoshuaHall is promoting opening everything all up does not mean he cares any less than you about the kid, old lady, or the community.
Your argument is based on a false dichotomy.

 

[Strenuus]

Way to virtue signal here!
Just because @JoshuaHall is promoting opening everything all up does not mean he cares any less than you about the kid, old lady, or the community.
Your argument is based on a false dichotomy.

I'm thinking it's not about opening up, but the way with which he is going about it.

I do find it sad so many people are misinformed about vaccines that millions of people have taken and very few have had dangerous side effects. It's obviously safe if we're almost 6 months in. So the misinformation is winning. That virtue signaling, I'd argue, is just as dangerous.

 

[e_blazer]

Way to virtue signal here!
Just because @JoshuaHall is promoting opening everything all up does not mean he cares any less than you about the kid, old lady, or the community.
Your argument is based on a false dichotomy.

Poppycrock. I don’t know anything about @JoshuaHall. He may be an absolute saint who would literally give the shirt off his back to someone in need. I was just responding to what he said in his post. Basically, his position is that as an unvaccinated person, he’s willing to take the risk associated with his choices as to what he does. The problem with that is that it’s not just his risk at play. If he happens to get Covid and is one of the many asymptotic people who have it, everyone he comes into contact with shares in his risk choices. There are about equal numbers of vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the state right now, so it’s a pretty good bet he’s going to expose someone who is at risk. Even for the people he comes into contact with who are vaccinated the risk isn’t zero. The vaccines are really good, but not perfect. When it comes to a pandemic, no one is an island with respect to risk. Viruses don’t give a crap how you feel about your personal freedoms and right to make your own decisions. They just do what they do whenever given a chance.

 

[JoshuaHall]

I care about more than myself. I care about the kid sitting in the row in front of me who hasn’t had the chance to get vaccinated yet. I care about the old lady sitting next to you who, while having been vaccinated, unknowingly is one of the 5-10% who can still get it because her immune system doesn’t work quite as well as most people’s.

ONCE AGAIN

why the fuck is the kid in front of u at the game UNVACCINATED if he doesn’t wanna be?

 

[JoshuaHall]

This mentality scares me. Do you have kids to pass this way thinking along to? Do you have any family whatsoever?

Of course I do

please tell me where I’m wrong

you didn’t address any of my questions

I’m open to being convinced so why don’t you use the opportunity to change my mind?

 

[JoshuaHall]

I care about more than myself. I care about the kid sitting in the row in front of me who hasn’t had the chance to get vaccinated yet. I care about the old lady sitting next to you who, while having been vaccinated, unknowingly is one of the 5-10% who can still get it because her immune system doesn’t work quite as well as most people’s.

also u realize even if the entire fucking world was vaccinated that old lady or dude or whatever the fuck is still at risk of that 5-10% right?

 

[JoshuaHall]

I agree with opening up but “I’m not vaxxed, if I die, I die,” what if you don’t die but pass it on to someone else? I didn’t get vaccinated to save myself. It’s to save others and get back to life as we knew it. Your attitude is ignorant, selfish, and dangerous.

ONCE AGAIN

The vaccine SUPPOSEDLY prevents people from getting infected and/or passing it to others INCLUDING the mutations of the strain.

the only people I am likely to pass it to are Others who are not vaccinated

there is a small percentage who will be affected EVEN with the vaccine. That means even if the entire fucking world was vaccinated they’d still be fucked.

You act like it is early days


Most ppl who want to be vaccinated are vaccinated


If ppl just started getting vaccinated it would be different

and it’s not India; the accessibly is there.

and frankly the 12-16 argument is horse shit. I’ve seen places giving out the vaccine to *anyone* because they had leftovers.

 

[JoshuaHall]

Way to virtue signal here!
Just because @JoshuaHall is promoting opening everything all up does not mean he cares any less than you about the kid, old lady, or the community.
Your argument is based on a false dichotomy.

I mean I thought this was pretty clear
It’s not early days
Old people are vaccinated
99.99% of people at risk are vaccinated
And if you have a child that isn’t vaccinated LEAVE THEM HOME.
How fûcking hard is that.
Don’t keep the whole state closed because you can’t be a decent parent and refrain from taking ur child to games.
“But it’s not fair they wanna see the game”

And business owners don’t wanna pay their mortgage? Bog off

 

[JoshuaHall]

I'm thinking it's not about opening up, but the way with which he is going about it.

I do find it sad so many people are misinformed about vaccines that millions of people have taken and very few have had dangerous side effects. It's obviously safe if we're almost 6 months in. So the misinformation is winning. That virtue signaling, I'd argue, is just as dangerous.

It’s not about misinformation. I just don’t want the vaccine. Guess what? I don’t get the flu or pneumonia vaccine either and if I get either of those I’ll probably die and/or end up in critical care — again. I also don’t take prescription pills. When I had (minor) surgery I told them NO PAINKILLERS. I’ll deal with it. Just because other people are pussies doesn’t mean I’ll burn myself to keep others warm. I don’t give a flying fûck about the side effects. I don’t want it.

Poppycrock. I don’t know anything about @JoshuaHall. He may be an absolute saint who would literally give the shirt off his back to someone in need. I was just responding to what he said in his post. Basically, his position is that as an unvaccinated person, he’s willing to take the risk associated with his choices as to what he does. The problem with that is that it’s not just his risk at play. If he happens to get Covid and is one of the many asymptotic people who have it, everyone he comes into contact with shares in his risk choices. There are about equal numbers of vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the state right now, so it’s a pretty good bet he’s going to expose someone who is at risk. Even for the people he comes into contact with who are vaccinated the risk isn’t zero. The vaccines are really good, but not perfect. When it comes to a pandemic, no one is an island with respect to risk. Viruses don’t give a crap how you feel about your personal freedoms and right to make your own decisions. They just do what they do whenever given a chance.

so if the vaccines aren’t perfect what the fuck is the point LOL

THE WHOLE WORLD CAN BE VACCINATED AND MY DECISOON WONT MATTER IF THATS TRUE

and the vast majority of people who want to be vaccinated are

you’re acting like this is day 3 of the pandemic when it’s day like 600

the only people who have a legitimate case are children and their parents should keep them away from major fûcking events then

siiiiiiiimple.

still waiting for an argument counter to

“just leave ur kids at home since all adults who want to be vaccinated are”

Unless your argument is the cacccine doesn’t work

then fine

but then the vaccine is pointless to begin with

 

[JoshuaHall]

honestly I’m open minded, but no one is giving me facts.

they’re saying “lol concerning mindset” “won’t even addrsss this” “well people with the vaccine still are at risk” (which is... a counter argument for the vaccine really)

that’s not telling me FACTS and STATS about how me getting vaccinated helps the entire population.

 

[JoshuaHall]

What if I’m one of the vaccinated people that can still get covid huh?

 

[handiman]

also u realize even if the entire fucking world was vaccinated that old lady or dude or whatever the fuck is still at risk of that 5-10% right?

Not true. The more people that are vaccinated, the lower the odds of that 5-10 %'er being exposed.

honestly I’m open minded, but no one is giving me facts.

Your string of posts sound anything but open-minded.

 

[Phatguysrule]

honestly I’m open minded, but no one is giving me facts.

they’re saying “lol concerning mindset” “won’t even addrsss this” “well people with the vaccine still are at risk” (which is... a counter argument for the vaccine really)

that’s not telling me FACTS and STATS about how me getting vaccinated helps the entire population.

There are people who cannot get vaccinated for medical reasons. Unvaccinated people are a threat to them.

The vaccine is 95% effective. So 5 out of every people who become vaccinated can still catch covid-19. However, those 5 people will only get a mild case and will not die.

Every transmission is another opportunity for the virus to mutate into a strain which could be more deadly and possibly unaffected by the vaccine.

We want to avoid those mutations if possible, so as to put this pandemic behind us, rather than extending it.

 

[Phatguysrule]

What if I’m one of the vaccinated people that can still get covid huh?

Then you will not die from it.

 

[Strenuus]

What if I’m one of the vaccinated people that can still get covid huh?

When you get the flu shot you can still get the flu. same concept.

You do you. Just live with the risks and consequences.

 

[e_blazer]

Then you will not die from it.

Not exactly true. The odds are really low, but per the CDC there have been 132 deaths in breakthrough cases to date:

 

[e_blazer]

ONCE AGAIN

why the fuck is the kid in front of u at the game UNVACCINATED if he doesn’t wanna be?

Kids under 16 haven’t been eligible to be vaccinated up til now. Starting tomorrow kids 12 and older can be vaccinated. Under 12 won’t happen for several months. Even those who are eligible may not have had the chance to get vaccinated for any number of reasons, including having parents who don’t want them to be.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Not exactly true. The odds are really low, but per the CDC there have been 132 deaths in breakthrough cases to date:

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Please correct me if I'm wrong. 9,245 out of over 100,000,000 who have been vaccinated have had breakthrough cases, or 0.0009%. So 99.9991% effective so far.

132 have died, or 0.000132% of those vaccinated. We're literally talking about 1 in a million.
1 in 1,000,000

Around 1 in 700 Americans has already died of covid-19.

If that's anywhere close to correct you aren't going to die of covid-19 if you get vaccinated.