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Please correct me if I'm wrong. 9,245 out of over 100,000,000 who have been vaccinated have had breakthrough cases, or 0.0009%. So 99.9991% effective so far.

Only 5-10% of those 100M would have likely been infected, statistically, so you're basically off by a factor of 10. Still a very good efficacy rate, but that's the same mistake several media outlets have made.
 
Only 5-10% of those 100M would have likely been infected, statistically, so you're basically off by a factor of 10. Still a very good efficacy rate, but that's the same mistake several media outlets have made.
True, that's why I said "so far" and compared the number of dead from covid-19 to the total number of Americans, rather than the total number of infected.

In other words, you're far more likely to die if you don't get the vaccine.
 
I’m responsible for my actions; you’re responsible for your actions. I can only pass it to others who don’t have the vaccine, which, at this point is primarily people who don’t want it.

If you’re vaccinated, what do you care?

I couldn’t give it to you if I had it because you’re vaccinated, right?

So if we packed the rose garden with people, both vaxxed and unvaxxed, what do you care? Only those of us who are unvaxxed should be bothered. And if you’re unvaxxed, and wish you were vaxxed, stay home. Should be happy to watch evolution wipe out us “non vaxxed” people. FWIW I’m not even anti vax.

The Vaccine works against variants supposedly; if you had children at home, being vaxxed means you can’t carry and pass it on, so you shouldn’t be worried about them either.

so who exactly am I worrying about? The other people who aren’t vaxxed like me — by choice?

Now if I was walking around India like a jackass that’d be different.

so if you can tell me who I’m supposed to worry about then sure, I’ll rethink getting vaxxed entirely. Just for u big guy
It's always the people like this that are the main reasons we are still in this situation a year plus later, that's the ironic part.

There's literally a way to get out of this if people weren't so selfish and stubborn but those same people aren't willing to do what is necessary to easily achieve that.
 
It's always the people like this that are the main reasons we are still in this situation a year plus later, that's the ironic part.

There's literally a way to get out of this if people weren't so selfish and stubborn but those same people aren't willing to do what is necessary to easily achieve that.

We're getting out of this regardless - and people's opinions on the matter had nothing to do with it taking this long - the vaccine was needed, simple as that. Fortunately it's here and most of us are taking it. Best way forward now is help to convince anyone you know who hasn't gotten the vaccine for whatever reason to go and get it as its now very easy to do. There are some who can't be convinced, but there are others who just need someone to direct them through the noise or the anxiety or whatever. Pick your battles.
 
We're getting out of this regardless - and people's opinions on the matter had nothing to do with it taking this long - the vaccine was needed, simple as that. Fortunately it's here and most of us are taking it. Best way forward now is help to convince anyone you know who hasn't gotten the vaccine for whatever reason to go and get it as its now very easy to do. There are some who can't be convinced, but there are others who just need someone to direct them through the noise or the anxiety or whatever. Pick your battles.
In my experience a majority of the people that say the things he said were the same people not following restrictions all along. I know so many people that still gathered in large groups and were anti-mask throughout this whole process and now those people are anti-vax. They don't care about anyone but themselves.
 
That's not going to be the case for a while yet because vaccines are only now becoming available for kids 12-16 years of age. Ones for children younger than that won't be available until probably fall. I think that we're seeing numbers drop across the nation and are beginning to here in Oregon. I suspect that as the numbers get lower this summer, most of the restrictions are going to be lifted anyway. By next season, barring any new variants that crash the party, going to a Blazer game should be pretty much normal, in my estimation.

There is absolutely no reason for children to be getting this vaccine.
 
How do people still have this mentality more than a year into this?

ugh

Must be nice living in a bubble without having family and friends who have died from this. That's the only way people still have this mindset. If it has not affected you in a profound way, why would you care?
 
Haven’t we been told that if your asymptomatic the odds of you being transmissible are extremely low? Or has that changed now also? Hard to keep track. If most children are asymptomatic then why is there a push to vaccinate them? Over 99% of them aren’t even affected by the disease.
 
maybe I wasn’t clear

JUST OPEN IT ALL BACK UP

fuck the risk level bullshit

Full steam ahead, let’s go

I’m not vaxxed, won’t get vaxxed, and am “high at risk” or whatever

If I die, I die

lets goooooo

packkkk the houseeeeeeee!!! I’m willing to risk it!

come on dame tweet Kate again and let’s fill er up
what a badass!
 
Haven’t we been told that if your asymptomatic the odds of you being transmissible are extremely low? Or has that changed now also? Hard to keep track. If most children are asymptomatic then why is there a push to vaccinate them? Over 99% of them aren’t even affected by the disease.
An estimated 40,000 kids have lost parents to covid. Ask them if they arent even affected by the disease. About 250 have died. Over 3 Million cases. 40% of kids with covid are asymptomatic - so most DO have symptoms. And of course, for the millionth time, they can spread it to people who are older, sicker, vulnerable, etc. So vaccinate them because they can get it, can get sick, can very unlikely die, but can spread it.
 
still trying to understand ONE valid reason for anyone to not get this. I get this choice bullshit, but there has to be some reason for it. I don't see it in this thread.
Oh its quite clear. They dont like being told what to do. Anti vax people also hate masks. Dont tell me what to do. No masks. No vaccinations. If you tell them they have to, they dont want to. Kind of like a teenager. Because the science is clear, so there isnt much debating that.
 
honestly I’m open minded, but no one is giving me facts.

they’re saying “lol concerning mindset” “won’t even addrsss this” “well people with the vaccine still are at risk” (which is... a counter argument for the vaccine really)

that’s not telling me FACTS and STATS about how me getting vaccinated helps the entire population.
You could try googling this information. Amazing search engine. Lots of good information. I think its here to stay.
 
I think there's a lot of validity to the notion that once everyone who wants a vaccine has had an opportunity to get one, then those who've declined should not be a concern.
No. We have a limited supply of doctors, nurses, other medical personnel, and hospital beds. We have acted and we must continue to act into what is best for the community so we do not overwhelm or over tax the limited medical resources that we have. I'm sure it's easy just to say f*** them all if you die you die but as they're dying they could be taking a hospital bed away from one of your family members who's had something like cancer or heart attack or some other medical problem. So yes we always have to act and protect the stupid, the misinformed, and scared.
 
I think there's a lot of validity to the notion that once everyone who wants a vaccine has had an opportunity to get one, then those who've declined should not be a concern.
If you really want to make a list of everyone who hasn't been vaccinated and make that list available to hospitals so if they show up sick and needing treatment especially an ICU bed and they can be turned away then sure let's go for it.
 
I’m responsible for my actions; you’re responsible for your actions. I can only pass it to others who don’t have the vaccine, which, at this point is primarily people who don’t want it.

If you’re vaccinated, what do you care?

I couldn’t give it to you if I had it because you’re vaccinated, right?

So if we packed the rose garden with people, both vaxxed and unvaxxed, what do you care? Only those of us who are unvaxxed should be bothered. And if you’re unvaxxed, and wish you were vaxxed, stay home. Should be happy to watch evolution wipe out us “non vaxxed” people. FWIW I’m not even anti vax.

The Vaccine works against variants supposedly; if you had children at home, being vaxxed means you can’t carry and pass it on, so you shouldn’t be worried about them either.

so who exactly am I worrying about? The other people who aren’t vaxxed like me — by choice?

Now if I was walking around India like a jackass that’d be different.

so if you can tell me who I’m supposed to worry about then sure, I’ll rethink getting vaxxed entirely. Just for u big guy
Because there are people who have had the vaccine who still have compromised immune systems. They might not even know that they have a compromise immune system. There's diseases like lymphoma that you don't even know you're sick. If you want to f*** all those people sure. The vaccine makes your body respond quicker and stronger if you catch the covid, in healthy people that responce maybe so strong you don't even know you were infected or sick. But there are some people who have a weakened or compromised immune system and while the vaccine will help their body fight off the virus they still get pretty damn sick. That doesn't mean the virus doesn't work that doesn't mean the virus is bad.
 
ONCE AGAIN

why the fuck is the kid in front of u at the game UNVACCINATED if he doesn’t wanna be?
My grandson was a normal healthy child up till about three and a half years old and then he was diagnosed with pulmonary hypertension, nasty f****** disease, you should look it up. I mean he's dead now so you don't have to worry about him, but yes there are kids that you don't know they're sick until they're diagnosed and in your situation your decision could have serious repercussions.
 
What if I’m one of the vaccinated people that can still get covid huh?
Then if you're a healthy adult you should cover quickly from. And healthy adults Dr vaccine means you won't end up dy ing or in an ICU on a ventilator with your family unable to come and check on you and visit. It does not guarantee you won't get it it means you will fight it off much easier.
 
honestly I’m open minded, but no one is giving me facts.

they’re saying “lol concerning mindset” “won’t even addrsss this” “well people with the vaccine still are at risk” (which is... a counter argument for the vaccine really)

that’s not telling me FACTS and STATS about how me getting vaccinated helps the entire population.
Well here's a fun fact for you that might change your mind, me and Mrs poker dog got the vaccine got the second shot of the vaccine and I am telling you this now as I'm writing the ferry from Cozumel to Playa del Carmen. Because vacations are insanely effing cheap right now! So I'm in a economically depressed country enjoying a fabulous five-star vacation I went snorkeling yesterday and this morning I've climbed a pyramid already I rented jet skis I am having a blast! I mean the vaccine and go travel a little bit because it's a wonderful time to do it. Looking to Mexico they've got things still down at 30% occupancy
 
Oh its quite clear. They dont like being told what to do. Anti vax people also hate masks. Dont tell me what to do. No masks. No vaccinations. If you tell them they have to, they dont want to. Kind of like a teenager. Because the science is clear, so there isnt much debating that.

It'd be nice if the science was clear. There’s not much scientific clout behind conflicting theories, limited information and untested medicines that politicians have been calling “safe and effective” since before they came out. Not to mention literally all of the producers of these shots have been involved in multiple lawsuits for other products. Johnson and Johnson had fucking asbestos in their baby powder for decades - and knew about it. Sorry for not being more trusting of the companies that brought us the opioid epidemic for profit.
 
It'd be nice if the science was clear. There’s not much scientific clout behind conflicting theories, limited information and untested medicines that politicians have been calling “safe and effective” since before they came out. Not to mention literally all of the producers of these shots have been involved in multiple lawsuits for other products. Johnson and Johnson had fucking asbestos in their baby powder for decades - and knew about it. Sorry for not being more trusting of the companies that brought us the opioid epidemic for profit.
What do you need to see or hear or whatever to understand the science? Results? Testing? I don’t get it. Do you think vaccines are all bad because of the baby powder issue? Do you refuse measles etc vaccines? Or just this one?
 
What do you need to see or hear or whatever to understand the science? Results? Testing? I don’t get it. Do you think vaccines are all bad because of the baby powder issue? Do you refuse measles etc vaccines? Or just this one?

Not really interested in entertaining the “scientific” (borderline religious and cult-like at this point) dogma where people’s only argument seems to be “it’s science, don’t you believe in science?!” and any questioning of the gospel is met with illogical shaming rather than facts. The average person doesn’t go along with lockdowns, experimental (yes, experimental) vaccines, and illogical mask mandates because they are super smart and understand science. They do it because they see other people doing it and don’t want to raise a fuss. That’s why you see people riding a bike or driving around alone with a fucking mask on. Yeah, science right? Or they just want their lives back, or their business not to close down, or a job so they can have a place to live. Or if you’re in Europe, Canada or Australia, they don’t want to get their head kicked in by the authorities.
 
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