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Me, and others who choose not to get vaccinated, decrease demand and lessen future profits for pharma
This is an illusion....you pass on your shot, somebody in Calcutta is getting it....they'll sell every good dose they can stockpile and as to satelites not going anywhere....one just fell in the ocean outside of India last week....and there are weapons graveyards all over the planet from failed attempts at making the bigger better one. That's where they end up..
 
Me, and others who choose not to get vaccinated, decrease demand and lessen future profits for pharma. So yea, it would eventually have an impact on them.

You are quite the anti-capitalist! I take it you favor a completely nationalized healthcare system, where the government runs everything from drug discovery to medical suppies to pharmacies and doctors offices? Welcome, comrade!

Or are you just randomly against pharma companies because they make vaccines and you don't like vaccines?

barfo
 
People who eat to much will have higher health care costs. The rest of us have been footing the bill

Well, if there's a problem that is difficult to solve, we shouldn't bother solving other problems, even if they are relatively much easier.

barfo
 
Nothing is ‘free’. The government is paying the pharmaceutical companies massive dividends to hand out these vaccines at ‘no cost’ to the consumer. In reality the money comes from your taxes. I’m sure given your position on the vaccine you are fine with that, which is good. People actually getting something they want with their tax dollars is fine by me. I don’t even have a problem with it myself if it gives people piece of mind and helps at-risk people fight a potentially life threatening disease. But again, the assertion that unvaccinated people are going to make any sort of dent in the unpaid healthcare costs in this country is really just absurd. Using numbers from before there was a vaccine is also pretty disingenuous from a statistical standpoint. Numbers were already going down by the time of the vaccine rollout so it’s really nobody’s position to say vaccines alone are responsible for that. If they helped out, great. But this idea that the pandemic would just go on and on forever without a vaccine is just inaccurate. Historically, scientifically and mathematically.
This pandemic is a $20 trillion per year fire... Spending $15 billion to put it out is an INCREDIBLE bargain. A bargain we could never get without taxpayer funds.

This is exactly what government is for. It's just too bad we didn't have a functioning government until this year.
 
You are quite the anti-capitalist! I take it you favor a completely nationalized healthcare system, where the government runs everything from drug discovery to medical suppies to pharmacies and doctors offices? Welcome, comrade!

Or are you just randomly against pharma companies because they make vaccines and you don't like vaccines?

barfo

Being forced to by a product is capitalism?
 
Excuse me if I call BS that you are not getting vaccinated so as to stick it to big Pharma. Riiiight.

The fact that it’s produced by corrupt swindlers is the smaller part of it. I’m mainly not taking it because it’s experimental and it’s for a disease I have a very low risk of succumbing to. If you are at high risk, get the shot. It’s really pretty simple. Herd immunity is for afflictions that affect the whole herd. This doesn’t. It affects 1%. If that one percent takes precautions in the form of a vaccine, like many do with the flu, they should be protected (assuming the vaccine is effective). And now that we know there are variants developing within less than a year, how effective will the vaccine be? Will there be a new one for each new strain? I won’t be receiving a vaccine every year for COVID, just like I don’t for the flu. Maybe when I’m older and more susceptible I will go get poked every year but right now I won’t.
 
This pandemic is a $20 trillion per year fire... Spending $15 billion to put it out is an INCREDIBLE bargain. A bargain we could never get without taxpayer funds.

This is exactly what government is for. It's just too bad we didn't have a functioning government until this year.

20 trillion? Did you happen to look what was in those bills that got passed? Most of it wasn’t for COVID relief, despite the names of the bills and the moral posturing to go with it. Our two party government is a huge problem. It only cost as much as it did because of the politicians who used it as an excuse to loot the economy like a Sears on fire. Never let a crisis go to waste.
 
20 trillion? Did you happen to look what was in those bills that got passed? Most of it wasn’t for COVID relief, despite the names of the bills and the moral posturing to go with it. Our two party government is a huge problem. It only cost as much as it did because of the politicians who used it as an excuse to loot the economy like a Sears on fire. Never let a crisis go to waste.

The US economy is $20 trillion. It has been on fire.

$15 billion to stop that is a bargain.

I don't care about the bills that were passed. They were just mitigation, and I agree that they weren't used to maximum benefit. But we all knew they wouldn't be.

Long term changes to our political system are needed to resolve those kinds of problems, and that's not what this thread is about.
 
Being forced to by a product is capitalism?

You seem to be offended by the idea of pharma companies making a profit. And...

I was really pointing out that we live in a country with a deeply broken and corrupt healthcare system and the profit margins are made when people are sick and unhealthy.

So... what's your dream healthcare system?

barfo
 
The fact that it’s produced by corrupt swindlers is the smaller part of it. I’m mainly not taking it because it’s experimental and it’s for a disease I have a very low risk of succumbing to. If you are at high risk, get the shot. It’s really pretty simple. Herd immunity is for afflictions that affect the whole herd. This doesn’t. It affects 1%. If that one percent takes precautions in the form of a vaccine, like many do with the flu, they should be protected (assuming the vaccine is effective). And now that we know there are variants developing within less than a year, how effective will the vaccine be? Will there be a new one for each new strain? I won’t be receiving a vaccine every year for COVID, just like I don’t for the flu. Maybe when I’m older and more susceptible I will go get poked every year but right now I won’t.

Why didn't anyone else think of this? Just vaccinate the people who are going to get sick! it's genius!

How do you determine that, exactly? Is it a blood test, or maybe a tarot card reading?

barfo
 
So... what's your dream healthcare system?

barfo

Good stuff!!

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Being forced to by a product is capitalism?
If Sly gives me free Blazer game tickets I'm hardly being forced to go to the game but my taxes do pay for fixing the stop lights and pot holes on the way there...and I buy gasoline to drive there.....how do you justify buying gasoline with all this anti capitalistic rebellion? Bimart is giving free vaccinations right now...you aren't buying your shot and your dose isn't going to dent Wall St either. We pay for civil service with our taxes...senior disabled service...your taxes buy wheelchairs for people who can't walk....in this case helping them not die or get a serious lung condition. When our tax dollars protect the health of my family and friends.....they're doing what they should do....when they are fueling unnecessary arms races...not so much.
 
20 trillion? Did you happen to look what was in those bills that got passed? Most of it wasn’t for COVID relief, despite the names of the bills and the moral posturing to go with it. Our two party government is a huge problem. It only cost as much as it did because of the politicians who used it as an excuse to loot the economy like a Sears on fire. Never let a crisis go to waste.
Curious how you feel about immigrants that come here should they be vaccinated and should their kids be required to for school admission?
I say yes to both....
 
Curious how you feel about immigrants that come here should they be vaccinated and should their kids be required to for school admission?
I say yes to both....
I think we have a global responsibility to help anyone get protection from the pandemic...nothing to do with nationalism.....I've been hospitalized overseas before and benefited from another health care system ...they didn't turn me away because of my passport. US citizens returning from overseas are as likely to carry a virus as immigrants....Taiwan had been virus free and recently opened up to travelers which brought the first 20 cases of covid to the island since the early days...(They locked down and only had 7 deaths total when it arrived at first) ...it was carried by an airline pilot and crew ....they're regretting opening up now but they quarantined the crew and back traced them....they are good at handling pandemics..hopefully they contained it again like the first wave.
 
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And please, as a personal favor to me, keep the cats in the bags. It's where they belong.

Tbis is uncalled for and i reported this post to the mods, humane society m, fbi AND posted a link of your comment to every cat loving forum out there!!!
@SlyPokerCat are you going to sit by and just take this abuse??
 
I think we have a global responsibility to help anyone get protection from the pandemic...nothing to do with nationalism.....I've been hospitalized overseas before and benefited from another health care system ...they didn't turn me away because of my passport. US citizens returning from overseas are as likely to carry a virus as immigrants....Taiwan had been virus free and recently opened up to travelers which brought the first 20 cases of covid to the island since the early days...(They locked down and only had 7 deaths total when it arrived at first) ...it was carried by an airline pilot and crew ....they're regretting opening up now but they quarantined the crew and back traced them....they are good at handling pandemics..hopefully they contained it again like the first wave.
I wasn't referring to nationalism, to me its just common since to have kids be inoculated when going to school and that come here to reside. To me its just good management to have a system in place to to provide inoculations and vaccines to the multitudes.
I just got done reading a book on the Whitman family and how a breakout of measles from pioneers traveling form the east decimated the indian kids and adults, thus taking revenge on the Whitman's. Anything we can do to prevent disease or pandemics is a plus. The world is a small place anymore and it can be a double edged sword with respect to people's health.
 
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Why didn't anyone else think of this? Just vaccinate the people who are going to get sick! it's genius!

How do you determine that, exactly? Is it a blood test, or maybe a tarot card reading?

barfo

Maybe look at the age group that 90% of COVID deaths belong to? I’m just spitballing here. How about whoever wants one can get one?
 
Maybe look at the age group that 90% of COVID deaths belong to? I’m just spitballing here. How about whoever wants one can get one?
Perfect. And everybody else is allowed to distance themselves from those people. Businesses included. People who are at risk should be allowed to go to the store without worrying about being infected by a willing carrier, and we should be able to support businesses who don't allow willing carriers without masks as well.
 
Perfect. And everybody else is allowed to distance themselves from those people. Businesses included. People who are at risk should be allowed to go to the store without worrying about being infected by a willing carrier, and we should be able to support businesses who don't allow willing carriers without masks as well.

Can’t the people who are at risk get a vaccine that supposedly protects them? I heard there was one on the market now. Shouldn’t that negate the need to banish us second-class, filthy carrier monkeys from your utopian modern society?

Is that the ‘science’ now?

“Everyone needs to get this extremely effective vaccine, like I did, because it WORKS. But also stay away from me if you didn’t get it or else I’ll die”

#Logic
 
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Can’t people who are at risk can get a vaccine that supposedly protects them? Shouldn’t that negate the need to banish us second-class, filthy carrier monkeys from modern society?

Is that how ‘science’ works now?

“Everyone needs to get this extremely effective vaccine, like I did, because it WORKS. But also stay away from me if you didn’t get it or else I’ll die”

#Logic
Now you're just sensationalizing....you do you...just understand death isn't the only consequence from getting this shit in your internal organs...and those long term effects are a year and a half fresh....you talk about experimenting with risk....good luck with all that. Again..talk to a first responder who's dealt with all aspects of this and make an informed decision unless you have some carrier monkey hygiene issues that you feel a need to make public..you can't kill me with it now but you might fuck up my year old grandson's lungs by being in his air space .or kill the nurse in the VA that can't take the shot due to health issues..we don't know how that'll work out quite yet. Here's some country logic for you....better safe than sorry...if you don't trust the science try trusting the common sense.
 
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Curious how you feel about immigrants that come here should they be vaccinated and should their kids be required to for school admission?
I say yes to both....

I don’t think they should be subject to any different rules or regulations (or privileges for that matter) than anyone else.
 
Can’t the people who are at risk get a vaccine that supposedly protects them? I heard there was one on the market now. Shouldn’t that negate the need to banish us second-class, filthy carrier monkeys from your utopian modern society?

Is that the ‘science’ now?

“Everyone needs to get this extremely effective vaccine, like I did, because it WORKS. But also stay away from me if you didn’t get it or else I’ll die”

#Logic
No. Many people have compromised immune systems and can not get vaccines. That's just another reason it's so important for everybody else to do it.

And the more people who become infected the more likely the virus is to become more deadly and/or vaccine resistant, putting everybody at greater risk.
 
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No. Many people have compromised immune systems and can not get vaccines. That's just another reason it's so important for everybody else to do it.

And the more people who become infected the more likely the virus is to become more deadly and/or vaccine resistant, putting everybody at great risk.

Where are you getting this information? Vaccines are precisely what cause vaccine resistant strains, not people naturally creating antibodies by fighting the disease with their own immune system, without vaccines. A virus needs to know a vaccine before it can become resistant to it, that’s literally how it works. And where are all these people you mentioned who have been turned away from the vaccine because they are too immunocompromised? As far as I’ve seen it’s being pushed on anyone and everyone as being ‘safe and effective’.
 

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