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jonnyboy said:
Where are you getting this information? Vaccines are precisely what cause vaccine resistant strains, not people naturally creating antibodies by fighting the disease with their own immune system, without vaccines. A virus needs to know a vaccine before it can become resistant to it, that’s literally how it works. And where are all these people you mentioned who have been turned away from the vaccine because they are too immunocompromised? As far as I’ve seen it’s being pushed on anyone and everyone as being ‘safe and effective’.
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I personally know several people who can't be vaccinated. They aren't turned away, they are advised not to get vaccines because they are on immunosuppressive medication or have other issues that have compromised their immune system. This recommendation is typically made by their primary care physician.

If everyone capable were vaccinated the virus would not have as much opportunity to become resistant since its spread among humans would be significantly reduced. Hence interaction with the vaccine would also be limited.
 
jonnyboy said:
Where are you getting this information? Vaccines are precisely what cause vaccine resistant strains, not people naturally creating antibodies by fighting the disease with their own immune system, without vaccines. A virus needs to know a vaccine before it can become resistant to it, that’s literally how it works. And where are all these people you mentioned who have been turned away from the vaccine because they are too immunocompromised? As far as I’ve seen it’s being pushed on anyone and everyone as being ‘safe and effective’.
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not true....I got mine at the VA...there are many who cannot get the vax...one was the nurse who gave me my shot...she has a condition that won't allow it....nobody is being pushed into anything or forced into anything...you can do what you want...I just think it's a very bad decision whether you like needles or not....hope you never need to see the dentist.....I have a relative with severe Lupus who cannot get the vaccine. As to your dick working.....it's early in the game. Give it time! You're young now....there's still time for you to start shooting pool with a rope! Google long term effects of covid sometime...you might have the other side effects like brain alzheimers, liver failure, heart arythmia, etc.....in other words your dick might work but your brain won't remember it working!
 
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jonnyboy said:
Maybe look at the age group that 90% of COVID deaths belong to? I’m just spitballing here. How about whoever wants one can get one?
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So your proposal is to do exactly what is currently being done.

Pretty radical.

barfo
 
jonnyboy said:
Where are you getting this information? Vaccines are precisely what cause vaccine resistant strains, not people naturally creating antibodies by fighting the disease with their own immune system, without vaccines. A virus needs to know a vaccine before it can become resistant to it, that’s literally how it works. And where are all these people you mentioned who have been turned away from the vaccine because they are too immunocompromised? As far as I’ve seen it’s being pushed on anyone and everyone as being ‘safe and effective’.
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I think you are confusing bacterial resistance to antibiotics with the process of mutations that can occur in viruses with each infection. Most virus mutations don’t benefit a virus’s chances of circumventing the protection provided by a vaccine, but every once in awhile it does. It has nothing to do with the vaccine, it’s just the process of evolution of a virus. That’s one reason it’s important to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible so that we minimize the chances for such mutations to occur.
 
jonnyboy said:
Where are you getting this information? Vaccines are precisely what cause vaccine resistant strains, not people naturally creating antibodies by fighting the disease with their own immune system, without vaccines. A virus needs to know a vaccine before it can become resistant to it, that’s literally how it works. And where are all these people you mentioned who have been turned away from the vaccine because they are too immunocompromised? As far as I’ve seen it’s being pushed on anyone and everyone as being ‘safe and effective’.
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Oh no. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

A virus does not 'know' a vaccine. Vaccines do not create mutants. Viruses do not mutate in response to a vaccine.

That should be obvious if you think about it, because there were mutants before we had any vaccines.

Mutants occur naturally as the virus replicates. Some are non-viable and die off. Some are better adapted and thrive. Some may be killed by a vaccine, some may not be.

But those that aren't killed by the vaccine aren't caused by the vaccine, any more than a human baby is caused by failure to have an abortion.

Phatguysrule said:
And the more people who become infected the more likely the virus is to become more deadly and/or vaccine resistant, putting everybody at greater risk.
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And that is exactly how it works. The more infection, the more reproduction, the more mutants, the more danger... to everyone.

barfo
 
riverman said:
Now you're just sensationalizing....you do you...just understand death isn't the only consequence from getting this shit in your internal organs...and those long term effects are a year and a half fresh....you talk about experimenting with risk....good luck with all that. Again..talk to a first responder who's dealt with all aspects of this and make an informed decision unless you have some carrier monkey hygiene issues that you feel a need to make public..you can't kill me with it now but you might fuck up my year old grandson's lungs by being in his air space .or kill the nurse in the VA that can't take the shot due to health issues..we don't know how that'll work out quite yet. Here's some country logic for you....better safe than sorry...if you don't trust the science try trusting the common sense.
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Your last two words are the problem with some people. I'm going to use "you" but that's not directed at "you" Riverman.

Anyone who has worn a mask and sneezed or tried to blow out a candle or something would know that wearing a mask limits how far your snot/saliva/germs/whatever are projected out into the air. It's not perfect, but if you think wearing a mask isn't more effective than not wearing one then you lack any ability to have common sense in a discussion. If you want to have a discussion about how long we should continue wearing them or situations where you shouldn't have to that is different, but if your stance is "masks don't do anything" then there is no point in listening to anything those people have to say because they're simply choosing to be ignorant on purpose.

When it comes to the vaccine, I get why some are concerned it seems rushed (even though it really wasn't). I get that people don't trust government. Then you see people (some in this thread) try to spread misinformation and change their argument simply because they're completely locked in against taking it under any circumstances. If everyone was using common sense here we don't know what will be worse in 5/10/20 years, taking the vaccine or the long term effects of Covid. It's just as likely that those who got the virus but had no symptoms could have infertility issues (or whatever long term effect you wanna insert) down the road as it being a side effect of the vaccine. The people refusing the vaccine because it hasn't been tested long term are almost all also saying that they'll be fine if they get Covid, which no one knows yet either. It doesn't make sense and as Riverman put it if people just used a little common sense it would go a long way.
 
Orion Bailey said:
dammit! Green font man! We were. It was sly thinking we were serious. Lol



yeah. Alishas in the same boat.

Curious. Do you think the overhead of the store will get to be too much and you might just go online only?
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Don't, I repeat, don't turn your back on Sly. He's crafty and he's mean. He once roped me into helping him steal candy from a baby.
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
My cousin and his wife live with my mom. He's been dragging his feet to get vaccinated and I finally had to tell him that he gets vaccinated or he and wife move out of my mom's house. I actually like him, but I'm not about to risk my mom's health because he doesn't know what this vaccine will do to him.
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That's a rough one. I'd do something really nice for him and his wife after they finish their shots.
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
It's just him. His wife's already vaccinated. I've asked him nicely to consider my mom's health risk and get himself vaccinated. He still has time to go get vaccinated. He and his wife live with my mom rent free. Pretty damned nice already, I'll say.
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Then you could have a new rule. Vaccinated people pay $0 rent, unvaccinated people pay $5000/mo.

barfo
 
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