OT DOES RELIGION MEAN SOMETHING TO YOU?

[e_blazer]

That's all irrelevant to the discussion. Don't push your beliefs off on others.

If you are allowing people of your "congregation" or "religion" to do so without preventing it then that is allowing your beliefs to be used for evil. If that belief results in increased pain and suffering and it is pushed anyway it is evil.

How is what I posted irrelevant to a thread about does "religion" mean anything to you? Seems pretty on-topic to me.

I'm not pushing anything on anyone. I'm not sure why you're reacting with what seems to be anger against anything I've said.

As far as my not doing anything about what other "Christians" have said or done, what is it you would have me do? I have talked with other Christians and explained my views. Have you done anything about the evil things done by evil atheists? You don't have to look far to find atheist regimes around the world that do dreadful things to their people. The common denominator is that evil things are done by evil people. Evil people will use whatever religion or worldview that best serves their interests in oppressing others.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Are all Americans bad because a person claiming to be American kills other people? Especially if that person isn't actually American?

Please show me where i said all Antifans?

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Wow, it's almost like all those things are tools of fascism...

To use a page from your book. All far right people aRe fascists?

cant have your cake and eat it too my friend.

 

[Phatguysrule]

How is what I posted irrelevant to a thread about does "religion" mean anything to you? Seems pretty on-topic to me.

I'm not pushing anything on anyone. I'm not sure why you're reacting with what seems to be anger against anything I've said.

As far as my not doing anything about what other "Christians" have said or done, what is it you would have me do? I have talked with other Christians and explained my views. Have you done anything about the evil things done by evil atheists? You don't have to look far to find atheist regimes around the world that do dreadful things to their people. The common denominator is that evil things are done by evil people. Evil people will use whatever religion or worldview that best serves their interests in oppressing others.

I meant the point of my post. And I never claimed to be an atheist.

But yes, I loudly and vigorously defend the rights of others against those who would wrongfully restrict them.

Just search post history.

 

[Phatguysrule]

To use a page from your book. All far right people aRe fascists?

cant have your cake and eat it too my friend.

When did I say all anybody was anything? I didn't. You're really reaching.

 

[THE HCP]

Joe biden bragged on camera about using his political influence to get a prosecuted fired who was investigating a company in ukraine that hunter was on the board of.

He has used hunter as a proxy to profit financially from his political power. Why did he sell oil from our strategic reserves to a chinese company tied to said corrupt dealings?

You people are so bamboozled by "orange man bad" you can't see anything else.

Who wakes up in the morning and decides to type this? Don't you have a hobby?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Please show me where i said all Antifans?

You asked a question in absolutes. As if a single person claiming to be anything has anything to do with anything.

 

[e_blazer]

I meant the point of my post. And I never claimed to be an atheist.

But yes, I loudly and vigorously defend the rights of others against those who would wrongfully restrict them.

Just search post history.

Fair enough.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

No i am not. Self proclaimed Antifa folk. Not all. Some.

When did I say all anybody was anything? I didn't. You're really reaching.

You asked a question in absolutes. As if a single person claiming to be anything has anything to do with anything.

Read above. I clarified that. Maybe you missed it.
When i said they, i was referring to those who claim to be affiliated with Antifa but use fascist behavior to push their agenda. Not all who affiliate with Antifa.
But you focused on one word instead of the point of the post….

 

[Phatguysrule]

Read above. I clarified that. Maybe you missed it.
When i said they, i was referring to those who claim to be affiliated with Antifa but use fascist behavior to push their agenda. Not all who affiliate with Antifa.
But you focused on one word instead of the point of the post….

Can you please supply some evidence to support this claim?

Some people claiming to be anti-fascist but engaging in fascist behavior would exclude them from being able to extol Anti-fascists ideals.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Can you please supply some evidence to support this claim?

Some people claiming to be anti-fascist but engaging in fascist behavior would exclude them from being able to extol Anti-fascists ideals.

Videos have been posted here in the past. If you are actually claiming this hasn't or doesn't happen then there is no further discussion to be had.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Videos have been posted here in the past. If you are actually claiming this hasn't or doesn't happen then there is no further discussion to be had.

I'd like to see what you're claiming is happening so I have a reference of your perspective.

If it's people in black that doesn't make them Antifa. It just makes them demonstors who want to fit in.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I'd like to see what you're claiming is happening so I have a reference of your perspective.

If it's people in black that doesn't make them Antifa. It just makes them demonstors who want to fit in.

but if Antifa supports those infiltrators by not kicking them out, then they are just as guilty. Just like your opinion on christians rights?

The right needs to cleanse their own but the left isn't responsible???

come on man….

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/index.html

 

[riverman]

but if Antifa supports those infiltrators by not kicking them out, then they are just as guilty. Just like your opinion on christians rights?

The right needs to cleanse their own but the left isn't responsible???

come on man….

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/index.html

I know a lot of christians who stand for abortion..women's rights, gay marriage, civil rights, interracial marriage, etc.....safe to say the majority of the Jan 6th commision is made up of a Christian majority...the executive office is staffed by a Christian majority, etc....extremists, fundementalists or facist cults may cite Christianity to justify terrorizing vote counters in Georgia...so don't lump them into a blanket statement. I can however lump the KKK, Proud Boys, White Nationalists and Oath Keepers as violent and in many cases racist cults operating under the threat of Christian domination of government....have yet to see Antifa or Black Lives Matter attempt to overthrow an election yet. Antifa just like any militia has an attraction as a group to armed militia types...soldiers of fortune types....nobody excuses them if they bludgeon a police officer protesting politics. They get arrested just like any pyromaniac or hoodlum that wants to destroy property ...those fringe elements are always present even in the Police force and military....what needs to happen is to stop comparing hard left and hard right factors in civil strife to concerned citizens. There are bad apples in all walks of life....but the insurrectionists are beyond bad apples...they are traitors to democracy. So are hoodlums who burn private businesss during protests. We have a legal system to deal with those who cross the line....let's let them hold them accountable...that's all I want..accountability.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I know a lot of christians who stand for abortion..women's rights, gay marriage, civil rights, interracial marriage, etc.....safe to say the majority of the Jan 6th commision is made up of a Christian majority...the executive office is staffed by a Christian majority, etc....extremists, fundementalists or facist cults may cite Christianity to justify terrorizing vote counters in Georgia...so don't lump them into a blanket statement. I can however lump the KKK, Proud Boys, White Nationalists and Oath Keepers as violent and in many cases racist cults operating under the threat of Christian domination of government....have yet to see Antifa or Black Lives Matter attempt to overthrow an election yet. Antifa just like any militia has an attraction as a group to armed militia types...soldiers of fortune types....nobody excuses them if they bludgeon a police officer protesting politics. They get arrested just like any pyromaniac or hoodlum that wants to destroy property ...those fringe elements are always present even in the Police force and military....what needs to happen is to stop comparing hard left and hard right factors in civil strife to concerned citizens. There are bad apples in all walks of life....but the insurrectionists are beyond bad apples...they are traitors to democracy. So are hoodlums who burn private businesss during protests. We have a legal system to deal with those who cross the line....let's let them hold them accountable...that's all I want..accountability.

Did you click on the link and read/watch it?

 

[riverman]

Did you click on the link and read/watch it?

Don't need to.....I have had this conversation with you...I have firmly established convictions about this topic. I filter as much tv as I can out of my life. I do watch the Jan 6th commitee meetings but would never link them here..people know where to find articles on their own. I'm here to express how I feel about these topics, I'm more interested in what you take from your own research than watching your viewing choices. I avoid Fox and CNN pretty much across the board for my own choices...I prefer CBS or PBS, BBC or Taiwan News for my own research.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Don't need to.....I have had this conversation with you...I have firmly established convictions about this topic. I filter as much tv as I can out of my life. I do watch the Jan 6th commitee meetings but would never link them here..people know where to find articles on their own. I'm here to express how I feel about these topics, I'm more interested in what you take from your own research than watching your viewing choices. I avoid Fox and CNN pretty much across the board for my own choices...I prefer CBS or PBS, BBC or Taiwan News for my own research.

Then you are denying yourself further information on the topic making your whole post irrelevant. No discussion to be had if you aren't willing to check in on the information provided. Not sure why you are expecting me to listen or take heed to your words when you aren't willing to check in on the info i provide? Pretty one sided to me.
Movin on now. Thanks.

 

[riverman]

Then you are denying yourself further information on the topic making your whole post irrelevant. No discussion to be had if you aren't willing to check in on the information provided. Not sure why you are expecting me to listen or take heed to your words when you aren't willing to check in on the info i provide? Pretty one sided to me.
Movin on now. Thanks.

I'm denying nothing....I have my own news feeds ..why do you have trouble expressing what you learned from it? I don't converse in articles linked but if that's necessary then I'll move on. You can see me as one sided if you like but that's not who I am.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I'm denying nothing....I have my own news feeds ..why do you have trouble expressing what you learned from it?

Denying anything.

No troubles. Scroll back. I did. Then i was asked to provide evidence, so i did.

we need a spinning in circles emoticon for this place……..

 

[MickZagger]

Antifa literally means antifascism. Opposed to fascism. That's it. That's their stance.

Anarchists want to cause problems. I think you're confusing them.

Bingo!

 

[riverman]

Denying anything.

No troubles. Scroll back. I did. Then i was asked to provide evidence, so i did.

we need a spinning in circles emoticon for this place……..

I didn't ask you for evidence....if you thought I needed something from the article to add to my knowledge...I sure didn't get that...I got ...you don't read my link and therefore are one sided...so whatever your link provided...it was not expressed in your post to me. It's not hard to just be direct you know? If there's a circle emoticon it would be for linking news articles not for simply expressing an opinion on a topic. If you don't want to clarify whatever you think I'm denying...then that's on you.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I didn't ask you for evidence....if you thought I needed something from the article to add to my knowledge...I sure didn't get that...I got ...you don't read my link and therefore are one sided...so whatever your link provided...it was not expressed in your post to me.

Sir, you responded to a post i was quoting someone else on. They asked me for evidence. Are you following the timeline of posts at all? You jumped into a convo!

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I'd like to see what you're claiming is happening so I have a reference of your perspective.

If it's people in black that doesn't make them Antifa. It just makes them demonstors who want to fit in.

but if Antifa supports those infiltrators by not kicking them out, then they are just as guilty. Just like your opinion on christians rights?

The right needs to cleanse their own but the left isn't responsible???

come on man….

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/index.html

I didn't ask you for evidence....if you thought I needed something from the article to add to my knowledge...I sure didn't get that...I got ...you don't read my link and therefore are one sided...so whatever your link provided...it was not expressed in your post to me. It's not hard to just be direct you know? If there's a circle emoticon it would be for linking news articles not for simply expressing an opinion on a topic. If you don't want to clarify whatever you think I'm denying...then that's on you.

 

[riverman]

Sir, you responded to a post i was quoting someone else on. They asked me for evidence. Are you following the timeline of posts at all? You jumped into a convo!

This is a public forum.....if you don't value my input on the topic of the discussion then I surely don't need to chronologically scroll through 14 pages of your dialogue..if I interrupted your conversation with anyone else...it sure wasn't intentional...for what it's worth...I disagreed with the post you made that I replied to and cited why I did. What's complicated about that? I don't use those cartoon emoticons so whatever they represent...enjoy using them. You may want to put me on ignore if it's an issue for you. I think you lose context with "right" and "left" stereotypes for one thing. Beyond that...you're welcome to view society through that lens...just understand not everyone sees it that way. You definitely don't get to define me as someone denying problems we face over disagreeing with your way of framing them

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

This is a public forum.....if you don't value my input on the topic of the discussion then I surely don't need to chronologically scroll through 14 pages of your dialogue..if I interrupted your conversation with anyone else...it sure wasn't intentional...for what it's worth...I disagreed with the post you made that I replied to and cited why I did. What's complicated about that? I don't use those cartoon emoticons so whatever they represent...enjoy using them. You may want to put me on ignore if it's an issue for you. I think you lose context with "right" and "left" stereotypes for one thing. Beyond that...you're welcome to view society through that lens...just understand not everyone sees it that way. You definitely don't get to define me as someone denying problems we face over disagreeing with your way of framing them

It was you who didn't value the input/ info I provided.
In fact, You specifically said you don't need it.
How backwards is this going to go, sir?
I'm just not going to respond to this anymore its so ridiculous at this point.

 

[Phatguysrule]

but if Antifa supports those infiltrators by not kicking them out, then they are just as guilty. Just like your opinion on christians rights?

The right needs to cleanse their own but the left isn't responsible???

come on man….

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/index.html

From your link

Antifa activists, who operate without any centralized leadership, told CNN that their goal is peace and inclusivity.

I'm not seeing any evidence of Antifa engaging in fascist behavior... Care to post the specific excerpt you're referring to?

Again, if you are engaging in fascist behavior you are not Antifa. It's that simple.

 

[riverman]

I know a lot of christians who stand for abortion..women's rights, gay marriage, civil rights, interracial marriage, etc.....safe to say the majority of the Jan 6th commision is made up of a Christian majority...the executive office is staffed by a Christian majority, etc....extremists, fundementalists or facist cults may cite Christianity to justify terrorizing vote counters in Georgia...so don't lump them into a blanket statement. I can however lump the KKK, Proud Boys, White Nationalists and Oath Keepers as violent and in many cases racist cults operating under the threat of Christian domination of government....have yet to see Antifa or Black Lives Matter attempt to overthrow an election yet. Antifa just like any militia has an attraction as a group to armed militia types...soldiers of fortune types....nobody excuses them if they bludgeon a police officer protesting politics. They get arrested just like any pyromaniac or hoodlum that wants to destroy property ...those fringe elements are always present even in the Police force and military....what needs to happen is to stop comparing hard left and hard right factors in civil strife to concerned citizens. There are bad apples in all walks of life....but the insurrectionists are beyond bad apples...they are traitors to democracy. So are hoodlums who burn private businesss during protests. We have a legal system to deal with those who cross the line....let's let them hold them accountable...that's all I want..accountability.

If you think this is going backwards....you aren't going to be able to discuss political strife in the present day with any sort of open mind. I read your article and it didn't provide me with any insight into the bad behavior by elements of Antifa by comparing the Nazi movement or the anti facist movement in England before WWII. It attempted to define what the organization is currently and that didn't change anything I said about it....moving along. When you decide whether I "jump" into your conversation or you provided me with input about the topic ......let me know. As it is I think you just disliked my post.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

We shall agree to disagree. Please move on now. I have.

 

[Phatguysrule]

We shall agree to disagree. Please move on now. I have.

Yeah it's pretty simple. If people are engaging in fascist behavior they aren't antifa and are not supported as such. They are rejected roundly.

The clamor that "Antifa is bad" or whatever is simply fascist propaganda to try and make anything opposed to fascist ideals seem bad.

 

[ehizzy3]

Religion means as much to me as a penny on the ground.